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Sol Tee Nutz

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:usa2: Senator John S. McCain III :usa2:



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I do not believe it is good manners to speak ill of the dead. However, the current outrageous extreme lionization of John McCain, in what is an obvious effort to paint him as a gallant warrior, who opposed a foul miscreant President - even after his death - is too much propaganda to let pass unremarked.

The overkill of adoration by the Establishments, on both sides, the MSM and many dozens of well known Left wing demagogues, is all the evidence required to truly expose the height of hypocrisy which colored the life of this privileged con man. The fact that he hated Donald Trump only added to their fervor.

To counterbalance the propaganda, the following is a fact based analysis of the career of John McCain by someone who has apparently done their research.

From my friend Joanne Law:

McCAIN IS "NO WAR HERO" ~ TRUMP IS RIGHT !

(Written by an Active Marine)

McCain has never really earned anything. He is from a wealthy pampered background and not fit to lead this nation.

A “war hero” doesn’t finish 894th out of 899 and still get stationed at a Navy champagne unit and promoted ahead of all but two of his 898 other classmates.

A “war hero” doesn’t crash three U.S. Navy jets out of sheer incompetence and ineptitude, including two during non-combat training sessions.

A “war hero” doesn’t get written up on drunk-and-disorderly, fraternization, disobeying orders, and insubordination charges more than two dozen times in less than three years.

A “war hero” doesn’t get promoted to squadron commander of the air field named after his own grandfather immediately after crashing his third airplane.

A “war hero” doesn’t have all the military records that cover his time in Vietnam and all disciplinary actions against him censored and sealed “as a matter of national security.”

A “war hero” doesn’t get 28 medals awarded all after-the-fact “for bravery” for no other reason than being shot down and captured and then go on a celebrity public relations tour because he’s the son of two acclaimed Navy admirals.

A “war hero” doesn’t repeatedly cheat on the wife who’s back in the states waiting for him, and then cheat on her more when he returns to the states, and then divorce and abandon her and his children for an heiress worth billions of dollars ( Cindy McCain, who helped him cheat on his wife).

A “war hero” doesn’t systematically vote against every single pay and benefit increase for military and veterans throughout his entire political career, all the while claiming to be “the soldier’s Congressman,” and then take credit for the passage of a G.I. benefits bill that he voted AGAINST.
A “war hero” McCain lost jet number one in 1958 when he plunged into Corpus Christi Bay while practicing landings. He was knocked unconscious by the impact coming to as the plane settled to the bottom. McCain’s second crash occurred while he was deployed in the Mediterranean. “Flying too low over the Iberian Peninsula,” Timberg wrote, “he took out some power lines [reminiscent of the 1998 incident in which a Marine Corps jet sliced through the cables of a gondola at an Italian ski resort, killing 20] which led to a spate of newspaper stories in which he was predictably identified as the son of an admiral. ”McCain’s third crash occurred when he was returning from flying a Navy trainer solo to Philadelphia for an Army-Navy football game. Timberg reported that McCain radioed, “I’ve got a flameout” and went through standard re-light procedures three times before ejecting at one thousand feet. McCain landed on a deserted beach moments before the plane slammed into a clump of trees. McCain’s fifth loss happened during his 23rd mission over North Vietnam on Oct. 26, 1967, when McCain’s A-4 Skyhawk was shot down by a surface-to-air missile. McCain ejected from the plane breaking both arms and a leg in the process and subsequently parachuted into Truc Bach Lake near Hanoi.

For 23 combat missions (an estimated 20 hours over enemy territory), the U.S. Navy awarded McCain a Silver Star, a Legion of Merit for Valor, a Distinguished Flying Cross, three Bronze Stars, two Commendation medals plus two Purple Hearts and a dozen service medals. “McCain had roughly 20 hours in combat,” explains Bill Bell, a veteran of Vietnam and former chief of the U.S. Office for POW/MIA Affairs — the first official U.S. representative in Vietnam since the 1973 fall of Saigon. “Since McCain got 28 medals,” Bell continues, “that equals out to about a medal-and-a-half for each hour he spent in combat. There were infantry guys — grunts on the ground — who had more than 7,000 hours in combat and I can tell you that there were times and situations where I’m sure a prison cell would have looked pretty good to them by comparison. The question really is how many guys got that number of medals for not being shot down."

For years, McCain has been an unchecked master at manipulating an overly friendly and biased news media. The former POW turned Congressman, turned U.S. Senator and switched to the Republican party, though still acting as if he was a democrat, also had his military records sealed, has managed to gloss over his failures as a pilot by exaggerated his military service and lying about his feats of heroism.

So, the bottom line is that John McCain is a manipulator, a liar, and a adulterer.

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sambuca

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The sudden adoration of McCain. That's really rich. He had many, many flaws and in the liberal press' eyes the foremost of them he was a Republican. The obvious slobbering over anyone who takes on Trump is funny. Stormy Daniels is also a press rock star. She probably could still give McCain in his current state an erection.

As far as people taking jabs at Trump, politicians and their political families can't resist being political. I thought it was a little bizarre for his daughter to take a jab. If she's going to politicize her father's funeral and make a sly reference, let Trump reiterate his trademark slogan.
 

sambuca

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I remain confused as to why you think that the dossier was the source of the investigation (let alone the sole core piece of evidence) or why you think the dossier is exceptionally flimsy. Neither of those things appear to be true.

If I was a lawyer Val, I would ask you is the dossier good intelligence or is it not necessary as a source for the investigation?

The contents of the Steele dossier have been pretty much dismissed or downplayed by all U.S. mainstream news outlets. There's too much whackadoodle stuff in the dossier to have confidence in the rest. Occasionally, a liberal commentator floats out the red herring, well........you know the dossier hasn't actually been disproven. Hmmm....is that how justice works? So for the most part the liberal press has taken up the case that the dossier wasn't necessary to start spying on the Trump campaign.

So here we are. If the whackadoodle report wasn't the main reason for the FISA warrants, what was? All I have heard is that the FBI has deemed this info as classified. We will have to wait and see what they believed they had to ask for the warrants. Meanwhile, many people in the FBI or the Justice Dept who were involved with the Steele dossier and the campaign spying have been fired, forced out or demoted.

I'm sure you can see the irony in the fact that the Russians were the source of this "dirt" on Trump.
 

jalimon

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The devils are in the detail.

Trump is a absolute fat ass liar saying nobody told him Woodward tried to reach him. That is why Woodward focused on that in the call.

But hey of course nothing matter as Woodward is a Pulitzer winner but all that is fake.

Wake up Trump supporters all will fucking blow in your face real soon...

Remember this all your life. The end does not justify the means. Not in politics. Not as a society.

Cheers,
 

Carmine Falcone

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What is the running tally of people in his own administration that have either called him a moron or someone incapable of basic understanding? It's almost as if Donald Trump is a...whatchamacallit... fucking moron.

The only people that can't grasp this are moron themselves. But thankfully, no morons post here :yo:

Jalimon, there is no waking up for Trumpanzees. Anyone capable of being convinced by facts would have done so already. The only thing left is for people who value truth and decency to outnumber Trump supporters on election day. Hell, if they took facts into account Trump wouldn't have won in the first place. I know people whose favorite politician was Reagan and they held their nose to vote for Hillary because there has never been a man more unfit for President than Trump.
 

sambuca

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I know people whose favorite politician was Reagan and they held their nose to vote for Hillary because there has never been a man more unfit for President than Trump.

There were clearly people who voted for Obama twice that voted for Trump because they were not happy the direction Obama took the country. Of course, they are the "deplorables". You can see that at the local Walmart. In fact, you can smell them so they didn't need to hold their nose to vote for Trump.
 

Sol Tee Nutz

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. Hell, if they took facts into account Trump wouldn't have won in the first place. I know people whose favorite politician was Reagan and they held their nose to vote for Hillary because there has never been a man more unfit for President than Trump.

Pardon! Trump won because of Hillary.
 

Sol Tee Nutz

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^^^^^^ Very true but to be beat by Trump you must really be swimming in shit.
 

sambuca

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Both candidates have repulsive personalities and are crooked.

I'm sorry only one candidate has a repulsive personality. The opposing candidate that lost had (past tense) a repulsive personality. That opposing candidate is no longer relevant as a candidate or as a personality.
 

jalimon

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Forget the candidate... I agree Clinton was the worst and we have a proof as she lost to an absolute moron.

Now I do admit my level of confidence towards the republican gets higher and higher as we learn there is many of them who openly try to preserve the country and democracy by going against the ass hole who was elected.

Trump is a great danger to america. Just get that idiot out of there and regroup. Not that complicated.

Cheers,
 

Valcazar

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If I was a lawyer Val, I would ask you is the dossier good intelligence or is it not necessary as a source for the investigation?

But those aren't in conflict. It can be good intelligence but not necessary as a source for the investigation. It would depend on what other things were the source. As it is, the story seems to be that by the time they got the dossier, they had already opened up an investigation. The dossier wasn't the primary source, and probably wasn't a necessary one.

That brings up the question of if it is a *good* source. You mention it has been dismissed and downplayed, but that is because people jumped on the salacious bits (the pee-pee tape). The dossier was raw intelligence. It was stuff that needed to be followed up on and confirmed. I think the Fusion guys themselves said they and Steele estimated it at about %50 correct. Which seems to be about right from what we've seen. The broad strokes seem to be right, the details seem to be off.

But the dossier was only ever used as more leads to be investigated and confirmed. I agree 100% you couldn't indict someone based on the dossier, but no one is doing that. (The closest might be Carter Page, but it is clear from the FISA application that the Dossier is supplementary evidence for why to wire tap him, and not the whole deal. I do think it was used as the original source of the argument to do so, and since details haven't been born out, no evidence from those taps could ultimately be used.)

But again, the FISA warrants are not the only source of evidence on the Trump campaign, not even the primary one as far as I can see.

The dossier just isn't all that important to the case - it just got a lot of press and so is linked in the public's mind in a way that doesn't really reflect reality.

And yes, I think the reason the details are wrong is because the Russians sussed Steele out early and fed him disinformation. (They couldn't control all his sources, but enough to throw chaff over the whole thing.)
 

Carmine Falcone

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Forget the candidate... I agree Clinton was the worst and we have a proof as she lost to an absolute moron.

There are concrete steps that Clinton failed to take that added to her defeat, like not campaigning well in Michigan and Wisconsin. And being unlikable added to many things that led to her loss. But I don't really understand why Trump's win means it was all Clinton's fault. Putting aside the Electoral College, Russia and Comey's last minute announcements as factors, Trump is the symptom but the disease has and is the voters. In a well-functioning democracy, people choose the unlikable lady who at least knows what she's talking about over a bullshit artist-- who incidentally was also very unlikable. (I'm probably naive to expect people to vote with their minds instead of their hearts).

My former father-in-law was the one who picked Hillary over Trump even though he revered Reagan, had a Bob Dole sign in his front yard in 96 and voted for Romney in 2012 (voted for Obama in 2008). He's as Republican as Republican gets and even he couldn't abide by Trump. Perhaps it's because he assessed the man himself and not just because he represented his party?

In a well-functioning democracy, you don't get people saying they're thwarting Trump's actions from inside his administration like the NYT op-ed from Wednesday did. They fully know the President isn't up to this task but refuse to take real and concrete steps. The truly remarkable thing is that there is absolutely nothing Trump is doing now that he didn't do in some way between June 2015 and November 2016. He said he knew more than the generals, he had a secret plan to defeat ISIS, the only way the election wasn't rigged was only if he won, he pretended not to know a KKK leader when he had refused to run on a 3rd party ticket specfically because of the same KKK member etc. Name one and there's an example of it. What no one knew then was that even when it became readily apparent that Trump wouldn't pivot but frankly, get worse, Congress wouldn't do anything to stop him.
 

Doc Holliday

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The devils are in the detail.

Trump is a absolute fat ass liar saying nobody told him Woodward tried to reach him.

Cheers,

Trump may be the biggest liar in the history of mankind. But in my opinion he’s very likely mentally retarded.
 

Doc Holliday

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Forget the candidate... I agree Clinton was the worst and we have a proof as she lost to an absolute moron..

Cheers,

Yet 3 million more people voted for her. Just imagine how many more votes a better candidate would have got had his/her reputation not been soiled by Russian propaganda and a late announcement by the director of the FBI.
 

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I will speculate that if Hilary was elected she would have been as presidential as Bill, not a wild man like Donald.
 

sambuca

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I know many higher level Corporate types who are Bush Republicans (George, George & Jeb). They like to golf and have cocktails at the country club. They believe they are race tolerant because they hired a black woman to head HR. Just don't fuck with trade or immigration! We need a supply of low cost workers here and abroad. We have our supply chains in China and Mexico.

If you can't connect the dots with the electorate in Britain, Italy, Spain and elesewhere, you will never understand the bigger picture of why Trump won. In fact, that picture won't change when Trump leaves office.
 

sambuca

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Trump may be the biggest liar in the history of mankind. But in my opinion he’s very likely mentally retarded.

Even if I agreed with anything you said, the two statements are almost mutually exclusive. If you think he lies a lot, he has to be clever enough to tell lies that push the right buttons with his voters.

I usually try to lay off personally oriented comments, but this post is where emotional hatred of the President has weakened your ability to make a rationale attack. Like him or not, Trump is a carnival barking salesman.
 
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