The vaccine passport (QR code), a new debate.

[gallantca]

Scratching my head on this one.... 12 months for a year. 2 shots for 8 months... How do you get 32 months?? You need another 2 shots to finish the year. If i am not mistaken, that is 4. Of.course discounting any booster they might add.
And what is the point off attacking me personally?? You do not feel very confident in your logic or info so you mean to discredit my opinions by mocking me?? Are you so arrogant to believe that you own the truth? Does critical thinking annoy you? Do you prefer us to be sheeps like you? State you logic without mocking or attacking. Otherwise you will just be another ignorant not worthy of spending time answering.

You said : "I just read that Pfizer is confirming that its effectiveness ends after 8 months. This means that you need to get 4 shots a year..."

It was a JOKE, but if effectiveness is 8 months and I need 4 per year, then a year has 32 months. You know a joke isn't funny when you need to explain it.

If the effectiveness is 8 months, that's 3 vaccines every 2 years, not 4 per year. Yes, in the first year maybe we will need 3 to get the process going but to claim it's 4 shots per year, on a ongoing basis is just flawed.

You really need to lighten up. Nobody is attacking you. The minute someone says different or questions your logic, they are attacking you.

The data on vaccination and the consequences of not vaccinating and not taking measures is crystal clear. It's like you keep saying the earth is flat. You are shown a picture of the earth from space yet you continue to claim the earth is flat. Oops, sorry, there I go attacking again. (That was a joke...the attacking part, not the flat earth part)

 

[Fradi]

Maybe we should start by roaming the streets and restaurants, breathing in your faces, targeting all those that are vaccinated. Lets see how much confidence you have in the vaccin you are taking. I bet all of you will just hide in your cocoons like the..... It is such a low thing to say, and shows how much respect you have for people immigrating and leaving everything behind because of the expectations that our society gives them.

You have absolutely no knowledge about what you are talking about.
I have been an immigrant all my life and there is absolutely nobody as thankful as I am that two countries actually accepted me and my family one of them being Canada.
That is why I can say that if anybody is not happy here and not willing to live here yes I am more than willing to help them pack
and if it is because they refuse to get vaccinated then I am twice as happy to see them leave.

Have you ever carried your suitcase in waist deep snow for eight hours as a six year old with machine gun fire all around, then spent 11 months in various rat and lice infested refugee camps because I have so perhaps I just happen to know what it is to be an immigrant a little better than you, and why some of us are grateful to a country like Canada.

 

[Francoquart]

You said : "I just read that Pfizer is confirming that its effectiveness ends after 8 months. This means that you need to get 4 shots a year..."

It was a JOKE, but if effectiveness is 8 months and I need 4 per year, then a year has 32 months. You know a joke isn't funny when you need to explain it.

If the effectiveness is 8 months, that's 3 vaccines every 2 years, not 4 per year. Yes, in the first year maybe we will need 3 to get the process going but to claim it's 4 shots per year, on a ongoing basis is just flawed.

You really need to lighten up. Nobody is attacking you. The minute someone says different or questions your logic, they are attacking you.

The data on vaccination and the consequences of not vaccinating and not taking measures is crystal clear. It's like you keep saying the earth is flat. You are shown a picture of the earth from space yet you continue to claim the earth is flat. Oops, sorry, there I go attacking again. (That was a joke...the attacking part, not the flat earth part)

Is cool if you not attacking.
The example you are using about me not accepting the data is not accurate. My reservations are on the passport not the vaccine. Anyway, i think the debates has become circular. I do not think repeating myself will change anything. Will just hope you guys will be safe and your immunity not compromised.

 

[Francoquart]

You have absolutely no knowledge about what you are talking about.
I have been an immigrant all my life and there is absolutely nobody as thankful as I am that two countries actually accepted me and my family one of them being Canada.
That is why I can say that if anybody is not happy here and not willing to live here yes I am more than willing to help them pack
and if it is because they refuse to get vaccinated then I am twice as happy to see them leave.

Have you ever carried your suitcase in waist deep snow for eight hours as a six year old with machine gun fire all around, then spent 11 months in various rat and lice infested refugee camps because I have so perhaps I just happen to know what it is to be an immigrant a little better than you, and why some of us are grateful to a country like Canada.

Well respect for your past, but it does not give you the right to judge them. Freedom of choice happens to be very important for some people, and taking it under whatever reason or circumstances is simply not am acceptable option.

 

[Fradi]

Well respect for your past, but it does not give you the right to judge them. Freedom of choice happens to be very important for some people, and taking it under whatever reason or circumstances is simply not am acceptable option.

Yes they are free to go home if they are not happy here which according to you they did.
Again you are talking about countries they went to that you probably have no idea what it is like there.
I have been many times to Russia on company business and I have 2 aunts and several cousins in Romania, ( Transylvania) now if you think there is more freedom of choice there than in Canada, well then there really is no help for you.

 

[Francoquart]

Yes they are free to go home if they are not happy here which according to you they did.
Again you are talking about countries they went to that you probably have no idea what it is like there.
I have been many times to Russia on company business and I have 2 aunts and several cousins in Romania, ( Transylvania) now if you think there is more freedom of choice there than in Canada, well then there really is no help for you.

LOL, and what got you the idea of that? I mean why try to invent things I did not say? Apparently, with the Vaccine passport, they decided it was not worth it anymore. You are judging them for it, so do not accuse me of saying things, and stand by what you have said instead. You are right, I have no clue as to how it is there, but if they left because of the Vaccine passport, then imagine how strongly they felt against it. Some people think that it is a trivial thing, and that we are being irresponsible, etc.. I mean, we understand the fear of the COVID Virus, but the dust will settle on that. The aftermath is what needs to be feared. With the implementation of this passport, which is a clear trespassing on freedom of choice, what makes you so sure they will not continue with the same logic in other areas? As far as freedom is concerned, all those supporting the Passport are really pissing on it. You want to look at it such as a measure of prevention, but we see it differently, and we believe it is a very serious issue that needs to be redressed. Our worst fear is that slowly we accept a police state like China. There are some Constance that needs to be untouched, no matter how bad the situation seems, because the alternative is simply scarier in the long run.

 

[gallantca]

Will just hope you guys will be safe and your immunity not compromised.

Idem

 

[bonerland citizen]

Just a note the two women tenants I had that left Canada were very high end political economists working in the Universities. They were not involved in monetizing their beauty as far as I know. They had irreconcilable differences with UNESCO and UN mandates in Canada. The QR crap was the limit. They were both strong conservative Christian. They did not care for cars, fashion, big house, expensive dinners. They left without notice and only notified me after. It was kinda spooky like a "Canary in the coal mine" indicator.

 

[Fradi]

LOL, and what got you the idea of that? I mean why try to invent things I did not say? Apparently, with the Vaccine passport, they decided it was not worth it anymore. You are judging them for it, so do not accuse me of saying things, and stand by what you have said instead. You are right, I have no clue as to how it is there, but if they left because of the Vaccine passport, then imagine how strongly they felt against it. Some people think that it is a trivial thing, and that we are being irresponsible, etc.. I mean, we understand the fear of the COVID Virus, but the dust will settle on that. The aftermath is what needs to be feared. With the implementation of this passport, which is a clear trespassing on freedom of choice, what makes you so sure they will not continue with the same logic in other areas? As far as freedom is concerned, all those supporting the Passport are really pissing on it. You want to look at it such as a measure of prevention, but we see it differently, and we believe it is a very serious issue that needs to be redressed. Our worst fear is that slowly we accept a police state like China. There are some Constance that needs to be untouched, no matter how bad the situation seems, because the alternative is simply scarier in the long run.

They thought having to have a vaccine passport is reason enough to leave Canada, great bye bye.
Two less people that may infect me, my children, grandchildren and two less that will clog up the ICU so that people who really need it can get treated.
I don’t have a problem with the passport for keeping unvaccinated people out of places like restaurants gyms etc… I think it is a great idea should have been done a lot sooner.

 

[sene5hos]

LOL, and what got you the idea of that? I mean why try to invent things I did not say? Apparently, with the Vaccine passport, they decided it was not worth it anymore. You are judging them for it, so do not accuse me of saying things, and stand by what you have said instead. You are right, I have no clue as to how it is there, but if they left because of the Vaccine passport, then imagine how strongly they felt against it. Some people think that it is a trivial thing, and that we are being irresponsible, etc.. I mean, we understand the fear of the COVID Virus, but the dust will settle on that. The aftermath is what needs to be feared. With the implementation of this passport, which is a clear trespassing on freedom of choice, what makes you so sure they will not continue with the same logic in other areas? As far as freedom is concerned, all those supporting the Passport are really pissing on it. You want to look at it such as a measure of prevention, but we see it differently, and we believe it is a very serious issue that needs to be redressed. Our worst fear is that slowly we accept a police state like China. There are some Constance that needs to be untouched, no matter how bad the situation seems, because the alternative is simply scarier in the long run.

You are still using "your freedom" and we have our freedom.
I would never want to be around an unvaccinated person.
The Delta variant is so contagious.
Do you seriously think that this passport will lead to passports in other areas?
We are not in China.
This passport is temporary, not all governments have the choice to impose it.

 

[bonerland citizen]

Damn even the natives are gonna get it:

Vaccine QR codes coming to Nunavut this month​

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"ᐃᓄᒃᑎᑐᑦ SEP 17, 2021 – 1:00 PM EDT

ᑲᐱᔭᐅᓯᒪᓂᕐᒧᑦ ᓇᓗᓇᐃᒃᑯᑎᑦ QR codes ᓄᓇᕗᒧᐊᕐᓂᐊᖅᑐ ᑕᒪᑐᒪᓂ ᑕᖅᑭᕐᒥᓐ"​

It seems they have no words in their language for QR code hehe.

 

[bonerland citizen]

For sure some CNN fans here taking orders from CNN hehe:

CNN's Don Lemon calls on Americans to shun 'stupid' unvaccinated people: 'Leave them behind'​

'It's time to start shaming them'​

 

[sene5hos]

I don't call people unvaccinated, stupid, I call them 4th wave

 

[gallantca]

I would never want to be around an unvaccinated person.

You didn't answer this previously : are the SPs you see "exclusive" to you ? I know you said they were vaccinated.

I think you will be disappointed to see how little the vaccine passport protects you as an individual

It definitely improves vaccination rate
It definitely protects the unvaccinated by denying them access to higher risk environments
But it really isn't clear it makes for a more secure environment for you.

 

[CLOUD 500]

I think you will be disappointed to see how little the vaccine passport protects you as an individual

It definitely improves vaccination rate
It definitely protects the unvaccinated by denying them access to higher risk environments
But it really isn't clear it makes for a more secure environment for you.

The vaccine passport is clearly a political move. The politicians want to be reelected. See how much criticism Kenny is getting. Ford got criticism also and now has decided to implement the vaccine passport. I do not think this will change much in regards to cases as we now see the cases are still going up. We got about as many cases this year as we did last at the time. The vaccine passport is form of coercion.

 

[gallantca]

The vaccine passport is clearly a political move. The politicians want to be reelected. See how much criticism Kenny is getting. Ford got criticism also and now has decided to implement the vaccine passport. I do not think this will change much in regards to cases as we now see the cases are still going up. We got about as many cases this year as we did last at the time. The vaccine passport is form of coercion.

It's partly a form of coercion.

But it's also a way to limit the exposure of the unvaccinated. Restrictions and lockdowns did exactly this. But the vaccinated will say "why should I be restricted". So it's basically restrictions for the unvaccinated. Imposing restrictions on everyone would be political suicide.

The numbers are clearly showing that the unvaccinated are creating the problem on the healthcare system. There is no way of denying this, no way.

Kenny is being criticized because people are dying because of his policies. Their health care system is about to collapse.

 

[bonerland citizen]

I don't call people unvaccinated, stupid, I call them 4th wave

More CNN orders:

Howard Stern to anti-vaxxers: 'You had the cure and you wouldn't take it'
"When are we gonna stop putting up with the idiots in this country and just say it's mandatory to get vaccinated? F--- 'em. F--- their freedom. I want my freedom to live," he said. "I want to get out of the house already. I want to go next door and play chess. I want to go take some pictures. This is bull----."

So A mandatory decree will give freedom, this is Howard Stern's view. Any PhD philosophers in the room to decode this? We need Plato now!

 

[bonerland citizen]

"The protected need to be protected from the unprotected by forcing the unprotected to use the protection that didn't protect the protected."

A stripper bored at a club sent me that along with a few sexy videos cause she knows I'm stuck at home. First QR Friday. Apparently a lot of people are being refused at the club door. Visiting Americans and Ontario clients that have proof of vax are not being accepted.

 

[gallantca]

Visiting Americans and Ontario clients that have proof of vax are not being accepted.

Good to hear the QR is not hurting business.

 

[crossbreed]

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Good to hear the QR is not hurting business.

Are massage parlours requesting vaccine QR codes? I never use my real name and having to show a QR code to get in will kill my hobbying!!!!