The vaccine passport (QR code), a new debate.

[gallantca]

I do love beers sure but cheetos? Nah. Actually since i lost weight i cut on almost everything beside beer. But hey we ain't all perfect.

Read my post above dude. Vaccine do not stop transmission. This argument is invalid. Vaccine passeport is nothing but a fear mongering tool to have you vaccinated. Its like curfew, no scientific proof but they don't want peoples to meet in home so they use that. Basically that equivalent to nuking a town because you want a criminal group hiding there.

Mike, this isn't accurate and I blame the way the media presents things for the misunderstanding. You say the vaccine does not "stop" transmission. This is true. But it SIGNIFICANTLY reduces it.

These are things that are hard to prove in the real world. But what they did prove in the real world is that people that were vaccinated, but caught Covid had much less viral load. And they know for sure that less viral load = less transmission


Let's look at it another way. If it doesn't slow down transmission, we're forked. Because all us vaccinated people are going to transmit to each other, stay out of the hospital until we develop a variant that the vaccine doesn't protect. Then we get to start all this over again.

 

[IamNY]

Fully vaccinated is important but at this point of the cycle, more single shots is even more critical.

Possibly true, but that's what you say when you don't have enough for the standard 2 shot regime 3 weeks after the first.

 

[Fradi]

Vaccine passeport is nothing but a fear mongering tool to have you vaccinated. Its like curfew, no scientific proof but they don't want peoples to meet in home so they use that. Basically that equivalent to nuking a town because you want a criminal group hiding there.

No what it means is that the person sitting next to me on an airplane or having dinner next to me on a cruise is not sick with the virus even if he does have it, will in all likelihood not end up in a hospital, is much more likely to not infect anybody and in all likelihood if we don’t hit an iceberg we will have a good time without fear of getting sick except maybe from over eating and drinking.

 

[gallantca]

Possibly true, but that's what you say when you don't have enough for the standard 2 shot regime 3 weeks after the first.

No, it's actually what you say when you have a basic understanding of how these things work or you want to have an educated discussion on it

 

[Halloween Mike]

Maybe it transmit less but it transmit, and this is a 2 week virus anyway, i mean even if someone get it, he will only be contagious for 2 weeks and after that will have a natural immunity for 6 to 8 months at least so that work as well.

 

[gallantca]

Maybe it transmit less but it transmit, and this is a 2 week virus anyway, i mean even if someone get it, he will only be contagious for 2 weeks and after that will have a natural immunity for 6 to 8 months at least so that work as well.

Yes, and if during these 2 weeks he is contagious he gives it to two people, who give it to two people, who give it to two people, we end up with a pandemic.

This is exactly the problem we are living. If you are sick and give it to 1 person, the number of sick remains even.

The blabla scientific jargon this is an R value of 1.0.

If 2 people are sick, one gives it to nobody and one gives it to one person, the R value = 0.5. Over time the thing dies out. This is what happens with things like the common flu.

But in India right now they have a R of 2 and this is why things are out of control. 2 people that give it to 2 people that give it to 2 people..... is 256 people in 8 days and 65536 in 16 days.

Quebec right now is hovering just under 1.0. That is why we are slowing down very slowly. Lift restrictions too much and we will go above 1.0 and it will start to grow. The minute you go over 1 it can become VERY difficult to bring back. It is a very fragile balancing act when close to 1. You can go from nobody in ICU to full in 3 weeks. Don't look at hospitalizations, look at the R number.

Variants are more contagious and make the R number greater

Many people vaccinated, even if partially vaccinated make the R number go down. It's not about whether you will survive Covid, it's about as a community can we keep the R value below 1 and we all have a responsibility in doing that.

There is no magic bullet. Restrictions can get the R value down, vaccination can get it down. The more we do of one, the less we need to do the other.

 

[IamNY]

Vaccine Passports are in full effect in NY. I’m guessing my northern brothers will have the same rules when your positivity rate drops:

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[gallantca]

Who gets to 75% 2 vaccines first ?

My bet, amongst G7 : UK 1st, Canada 2nd

 

[gallantca]

 

[Greyhound]

Vaccine passport open for abuse.

I somewhat agree with the vaccine passport as long as it is used for COVID-19 to prove in some countries that you have been vaccinated. I am also suspicious that some countries will extend that passport to include such things as vaccine shots for hep A, Hep-B, malaria, and /or other vaccine shots require to enter the country.

 

[neverbored]

I am also suspicious that some countries will extend that passport to include such things as vaccine shots for hep A, Hep-B, malaria, and /or other vaccine shots require to enter the country.

Just curious... why would that be a bad thing ? Is it because you don't want to be be vaccinated and still want to go to these countries?

 

[IamNY]

Just curious... why would that be a bad thing ? Is it because you don't want to be be vaccinated and still want to go to these countries?

The vaccine passport in NY called Excelsior, will also confirm a negative COVID test for people who don't want to get vaccinated. Don't know if that means countries will allow those people in though.

 

[Fradi]

There are already many countries that require certain vaccines or tests before they let you enter.
Quite honestly I would not enter these countries without getting the required shots, why play Russian roulette with your health.
It is not that difficult to do an inquiry of what shots are recommended when visiting a certain country and most times these shots are not overly expensive and always far less than if you get sick and hospitalized in that country.
You should always have medical travellers insurance also, just 4 days in the hospital in the US can amount up to $185,000, and this was 10 years ago, don’t learn it the hard way.

 

[neverbored]

I was just curious as to why Grehound was "suspicious" that countries might use the covid vaccination passport as a means to monitor required vaccines to enter their country... I think its a good thing... just wondering what is the negative part of it...

 

[masterP]

Who gets to 75% 2 vaccines first ?

My bet, amongst G7 : UK 1st, Canada 2nd
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You ask about who will get to 75% of their population fully vaccinated first, but the chart you posted only shows the percentage of people with at least one shot. Currently the US is at 49% with at least one shot and 39% fully vaccinated. Canada is at 52% with at least one shot and 4% fully vaccinated. The UK is at 57% with at least one shot and 34% fully vaccinated. I really hope Canada gets to 75% fully vaccinated soon because I want the border to open so I can come up to visit. But I don't see it happening soon and definitely not before or even close to when the US and the UK reach 75% fully vaccinated.

 

[gallantca]

You ask about who will get to 75% of their population fully vaccinated first, but the chart you posted only shows the percentage of people with at least one shot. Currently the US is at 49% with at least one shot and 39% fully vaccinated. Canada is at 52% with at least one shot and 4% fully vaccinated. The UK is at 57% with at least one shot and 34% fully vaccinated. I really hope Canada gets to 75% fully vaccinated soon because I want the border to open so I can come up to visit. But I don't see it happening soon and definitely not before or even close to when the US and the UK reach 75% fully vaccinated.

Canada will happen in Sept. Quebec will is shooting for end of Aug. I bet Canada makes it before the US, mostly because of hesitency. Time will tell!!
Remember, single shot is a good indication of who will double shot. The US is decelerating. Canada is accelerating in shots.

 

[masterP]

Canada will happen in Sept. Quebec will is shooting for end of Aug. I bet Canada makes it before the US, mostly because of hesitency. Time will tell!!
Remember, single shot is a good indication of who will double shot. The US is decelerating. Canada is accelerating in shots.

Time will tell, indeed. As I said, I just hope the border opens before too long. The numbers I quoted came from here

Tracking Coronavirus Vaccinations Around the World (Published 2023)

More than 5.55 billion people worldwide have received a Covid-19 vaccine, equal to about 72.3 percent of the world population.

www.nytimes.com

If you scroll down a little and click on "share of population vaccinated" it shows a chart with percentages fully vaccinated and with at least one shot for each country. Very interesting to compare.

 

[gallantca]

I just hope the border opens before too long.

I thought August. I still think it's a possibility if they can agree on a vaccine passport for travel. I think best case August, worst case October.

We have Legault who is over optimistic, Ford who is all doom and gloom and blaming the borders, and then Trudeau, who has the final call on the border having to navigate between the two while taking the electoral temperature.

I must also admit, US/Canadian camaraderie is not what it has been in the past.

 

[The Nature Boy]

There is no way in F’in hell I’d put escortsprivada up there with XO, euphoria and vogmtl, wtf!?!
1. U have actual boomers in MTL
2. The reliability of the MTL agencies is night and day above EP, no comparison

No, no, no..no...no!!!

 

[Like_It_Hot]

I wonder why the United Kingdom and Germany are so slow? Christ , France has even reopened.

Simple: Read this report from The Wall Street Journal

Rapid Spread of Delta Coronavirus Variant Delays U.K.’s Full Reopening​

Rapid Spread of Delta Coronavirus Variant Delays U.K.’s Full Reopening

Upswing in cases of a more contagious variant highlights how the virus can spread even within highly vaccinated populations, providing a cautionary lesson.

www.wsj.com