putneyswope said:If you don't mind a train crowded with Haitian or Chinese families on board predominantly the there are shuttle busses,real cheap from the Haitian community in New York and also leaving from Chinatown here in NYC, sory I don't know the 411, but the rates are dirt chaep sometimes 1/4 of Amtrak.
Greyhound has a bus that leaves around every midnight and arrives at Montreal at 8 am. It is about $120 round trip. The way I look at it, you can go out to a few bars, watch some college football, and sleep it off and when you wake up your in Montreal. I am probably going to try this on my next trip and report back. Beats driving, cheaper, hopefully it will be empty.