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Will the republicain will ever come back to have some decent candidates?

It's not that they don't have decent candidates, it's that they (with assistance from Fox News) have conditioned their base to not vote for them. Decent candidates can not get through a Republican primary. The most decent of the batch this round was Kasich and look at how many votes he got. He lasted really long but not because he got votes, he just refused to drop out. Someone like Kasich would've had a really good shot at Clinton because she's one of the worse candidates the Democrats have ever put up.

What I find amusing is the amount of hate Clinton gets.

She has been called everything from crooked to criminal. What those same people forget is that she is nothing more than a politician who has made deals and maneuvers to get to where she is right now. Pretty much whatever EVERY other politician had done before her.

Her experience is why people hate her. Yes, it is what every other politician has done but no one has done it at the highest level for as long as she has. She is a bigger and better crony capitalist than anyone who has ever lived. If you are part of that system and benefit from that system you love her, she's the most qualified candidate ever. If you think something is wrong with the current system beyond "my party is great and your party sucks" she is pretty awful.
 

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It's crazy that the person giving the most momentum to Clinton by speaking is Trump. He's a total train wreck right now - he was given multiple outs to focus on the policies that led to the current situation in the Middle East (which is a stance you can then try and build momentum off) and didn't take the cue, instead choosing to double down on his claims of founding ISIS and being MVP's. For the undecided not exactly the way to get them to join his side - the "true believer" republicans might drink the Kool-Aid (although the fact most tried to turn it on past policy suggests the RNC recognizes policy can be attacked, not a claim on founding ISIS), but that's not the target group Trump needs to recruit.

It's telling that since the RNC ended, the gap between him & Clinton in all the polls is widening to her favor - less about what she is doing than his routine becoming clearer for the undecided to see. Unless there's a scandal the RNC can latch on to Clinton to take away the attention on what Trump says, well, as a Canadian I think we might indeed see the odds broken and a 3rd term with the same party.
 

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An open letter from Michael Moore to Ivanka Trump:

Dear Ivanka:

I’m writing to you because your dad is not well.

Every day he continues his spiral downward—and after his call for gun owners to commit acts of violence against Mrs. Clinton, it is clear he needs help, serious help. His comments and behavior have become more and more bizarre and detached from reality. He is in need of an intervention. And I believe only you can conduct it.

He trusts you. He believes in you. Although I don’t know you personally, you seem to be a very smart and together woman. I think he will listen to you. He must because he is now not simply a danger to himself, he has put the next president of the United States in harm's way. He has encouraged and given permission to the unhinged and the deranged to essentially assassinate Hillary Clinton. Her life is now in worse danger than it already was—and should anything happen, that will not only be on his head but also on those closest to him if they stand by and do nothing.

I say this with the utmost kindness, care and concern for you, and I know you will do the right thing. Bring him in, off the road, away from the crowds. Now. Tonight.

And when you do, here is what a good friend of mine, a former counselor and social worker, Jeff Gibbs, suggests that you say to him:


Dad, we need to have a chat. Are you feeling okay? Do you have a minute? Please sit down. Because this isn’t going to be easy. No, I am not pregnant. No, what is going on is… is… I am really, really worried about my father. About you.

Dad, I owe everything to you. You’ve built an empire, a brand and a business for the ages. You have taken care of me, inspired me and, through your example, have made me who I am: a self-confident, honest-to-a-flaw, woman.

But Dad, I am deeply worried. You haven’t been yourself lately. The father I know is not a hater, not someone who encourages violence. Dad, you used to be A LIBERAL. You raised me as a liberal! The Clintons were your friends—Chelsea is one of my best friends! And now you’re joking that Hillary should be assassinated? Really?

Dad, I hate to say this, but you’re making me scared, you’re making my friends scared, and you’re scaring the whole country.

Dad… Dad, sit down! They’ll wait. I am not finished. Don’t get angry. Try to listen.

Yes, I know they love it, the crowd goes wild. But not for YOU. They don’t love YOU. They love the show that you put on. But people who hunger for red meat will turn on you in a minute. No, they don’t love you. I love you. I will always love you. And I see you hurting yourself—and you’re hurting ME, Dad.

Don’t get upset! You’re still the handsomest billionaire I know. I will always love you. Melania will always love you. Vladimir will always love you… OK, maybe that wasn’t funny. But you get my point. This running for president thing is destroying the dad I have known and loved. And honestly, you and I both know you didn’t really want this job to begin with! You just wanted to make a point. OK, well, POINT MADE! You did it! Now, let’s stop and get some help.

I am asking you, right now, to give it up. To leave the race. Let that nice man from Indiana run things. Your place in history is secure. You need to withdraw. Move on, for your sake, for the country’s sake, for my sake.

The man who raised me was the man who, for no charge, built a huge ice rink in Central Park for all the people to use! You struck deals with some of the biggest assholes on the planet in finance and politics and yet remained friends, mostly. You built a family that loves you. I want that dad back! And I worry that, if you don’t stop now, neither you nor the country will ever recover.

There, there, Dad, it’s okay, let it out. Let it out, because I know beneath that gruff, tough, handsome exterior is a little boy who just never got enough love. And that little boy needs some time to find himself again.

Let’s you and I walk out there right now. The cameras are all set up and waiting. You can make up whatever excuse you want. You can blame whomever you want. You’re good at that! I just know this can’t go on, and you know it, too.

Take my hand, let’s end this. And by tomorrow you and I will be sipping martinis on our yacht in the Hamptons with Chelsea and the friends we still have left. I love you, Dad. Let’s do this. That’s right, take my hand, here we go…


Ivanka, I have faith in you that you can do this. I know I’ve called your dad crazy before, but I was speaking politically, not clinically. This has gone beyond crazy. The entire nation—in fact, the entire world—needs you to step forward and do the courageous thing history will praise you for: the loving act of a brilliant daughter who also loved her beleaguered country enough to say her father wasn’t well and needed help.

Thank you, Ivanka.

Yours,
Michael Moore


Ivanka, your dad isn't well
 

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The GOP must dump Trump

by Joe Scarborough, Washington Post

The Muslim ban, the David Duke denial, the “Mexican” judge flap, the draft dodger denigrating John McCain’s military service, the son of privilege attacking an immigrant Gold Star mother and the constant revisionism and lying about past political positions taken are but a few of the lowlights that have punctuated Donald Trump’s chaotic chase for the presidency.

Any one of these offenses would have disqualified any other candidate for president. But the Republican nominee remained competitive against a historically weak Democratic nominee on the promise of bringing radical change and dramatic disruption to Washington.

That appears to be changing. Post-convention polls show Trump falling behind by double digits both nationally and in must-win swing states like Pennsylvania, New Hampshire and Virginia.

And the political ride will only get rockier for Trump in the coming days after he suggested that one way to keep a conservative Supreme Court after Hillary Clinton got elected would be to assassinate her or federal judges. Trump and his supporters have been scrambling wildly all day to explain away the inexplicable, but they can stop wasting their time. The GOP nominee was clearly suggesting that some of the “Second Amendment people” among his supporters could kill his Democratic opponent were she to be elected.

The presidential candidate that House Speaker Paul Ryan endorsed tried to explain away his suggestion of an assassination by telling Sean Hannity his comments were meant to unite supporters before the election. It’s too bad for Trump and his supporters that his comments related to what Hillary Clinton would do after being elected and nominating Supreme Court justices that gun owners would not like.

We are in uncharted waters but that does not mean that the way forward is not clear. It is.

1. The Secret Service should interview Donald Trump and ask him to explain his threatening comments.

2. Paul Ryan and every Republican leader should denounce in the strongest terms their GOP nominee suggesting conservatives could find the Supreme Court more favorable to their desires if his political rival was assassinated.

3. Paul Ryan and every Republican leader should revoke their endorsement of Donald Trump. At this point, what else could Trump do that would be worse than implying the positive impact of a political assassination?

4. The Republican Party needs to start examining quickly their options for removing the Republican nominee.

A bloody line has been crossed that cannot be ignored. At long last, Donald Trump has left the Republican Party few options but to act decisively and get this political train wreck off the tracks before something terrible happens.


Joe Scarborough is a former Republican Congressman from Florida who hosts the morning show "Morning Joe" on MSNBC



The GOP must dump Trump
 

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She is a bigger and better crony capitalist than anyone who has ever lived.

Hi J :wave:

I take offense to that statement. I mean she should get honorable mention but compared to what honest Abe did for his robber baron sponsors that ushered in the fantastic for some gilded age via legislation and war, she looks like a fucking amateur. We'll see soon enough what they have in store for us though.
 

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$100 says Trump walks across the stage and punches her before the end of the first debate!! Wins by knockout!

Funny! You're exaggerating, though he sure would like to.

Figuratively speaking I'm expecting him to abuse her verbally the same way he abused Ivanka, assaulting her in a viciously offensive way that will make him look like the Marquis De Sade of political speakers. He'll be an infamously odious and despicable figure.

I have to say no matter how much I disliked Trump before he ran to be President, before I knew which party he belonged to or would use (more accurate probably) to get elected I had no idea what he was really like and I don't think most people did either. I'm shocked at how awful someone who is alleged to be a mega successful businessman with some sense in his head really is. Had this election been like Lincoln's era when candidates mostly did not campaign Trump would have had a good shot because most people had large misconceptions about him. He's has amply informed us all what he is thus his current standing as a gross person. If he let the party run the election the current trend in polls might be reversed. But Trump is a gross egomaniac who can't help spewing ugliness and venom at every chance.

A very strange thing I heard on CNN today. Yeah, some of you Fox people will laugh at CNN. But this is not about opinion. Trump has not been spending the many millions he's received in smaller donations said to be an enormous sum. Why? He's near drowning in polls. Once views on candidates become set they are very hard to change and he looks like a total donkey. So what is he waiting for??? I read leftover funds can't be used for personal use. http://www.factcheck.org/2008/02/leftover-campaign-funds/ But how is personal use defined? Is there a loophole? Or is Trump so out to lunch with where he stands to think the Twitterverse alone will save him despite what it's done so far.

Altogether everything he does speaks to his incompetence.

Her experience is why people hate her.

She is a bigger and better crony capitalist than anyone who has ever lived.

You mean people defined as those who want to believe the worst all the Republicans have accused her of.

As for her place among crony capitalists not even in the latest years. Go back and read about the later 19th century politicians and their ties to economic trust monpolies. Have a good supply of vomit bags ready.
 

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Cheney got $36 million from Halliburton in severance before becoming VP.
Halliburton made billions in sole source contracts while he was Vice President of the US.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/feb/18/iraq.usa

How would that compare to Hillary?

I tried finding an older edition of her autobiography today. Any newer ones probably have the Sir Edmund and lacrosse stories deleted eh.
 

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Hi J :wave:

I take offense to that statement. I mean she should get honorable mention but compared to what honest Abe did for his robber baron sponsors that ushered in the fantastic for some gilded age via legislation and war, she looks like a fucking amateur. We'll see soon enough what they have in store for us though.

You mean people defined as those who want to believe the worst all the Republicans have accused her of.

As for her place among crony capitalists not even in the latest years. Go back and read about the later 19th century politicians and their ties to economic trust monpolies. Have a good supply of vomit bags ready.

I was being hyperbolic but only a little bit. She has a much more global reach than any one person back in those days. There are also billions of people now that can be affected vs the hundreds of millions in the 19th century. The TPP that she championed is going to mess with those poor Southeast Asian countries so badly, and there's no way she's not going to go right back to it if she gets elected. She's going to make the Middle East worse not better if/when she gets Assad.

And no, most of the Republican stuff like Benghazi and e-mails is complete BS. It's the stuff that the establishment Republicans love that they never attack her on that's the worse.

And I'm not saying she's not better than Trump, she most certainly is.

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Cheney has to be right up there but Hillary isn't done yet.
 

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Trump should be locked up for life in a mental institution.


Doc, you are so brainwashed my the bullshit US media, its pathetic. yes, a man that built a Multi Billion dollar business needs to locked up in a mental institution. Think about that, and how many people do you find in mental institutions that can claim Trump's accomplishments.
 

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Trump's accomplishments.

Wich accomplishments are you talking about? Bankrupcies, not paying the people building his towers, fooling people with his casinos, fooling others with a phony so called Trump University? His biggest accomplishment was the TV show "The Apprentice" wich I appreciated. But life is not a TV show and Trump doesn't care about anybody but himself. He doesn't have a clue of what International or even National politic is about. Now he is realising he will loose and blame it on cheating, what a looser, a real looser!!!
 

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Doc, you are so brainwashed my the bullshit US media, its pathetic. yes, a man that built a Multi Billion dollar business needs to locked up in a mental institution. Think about that, and how many people do you find in mental institutions that can claim Trump's accomplishments.

My comments had nothing to do with his business, which he built off the back of his equally successful father. It's not that hard to start a business when your daddy gives you a million dollars to start off. Mark Burnett has more to do with his popularity than anyone else. But that's another story. His comments and bizarre behaviour over the past year has convinced me that not only does he suffer from several mental ailments, he's certifiably mentally ill and should be committed to an asylum in order to desperately get the help that he needs.

I'm also convinced that among those many mental ailments that he suffers from, he definitely shows signs of early dementia. Considering his advanced age (he's old!!!!) and likely doesn't have more than 10-15 years to live, it's not surprising. Especially when you take into account the fact his father (Fred Trump) suffered from dementia/alzheimers when he was The Donald's age. It's often a hereditary condition. Sure, he's also a pathological liar, a world-class bullshit artist and a narcissist. He's a very bad person. A world-class asshole!! But he's definitely mentally ill. I have no doubt.

p.s. I recently purchased a recent edition of Doonsbury which includes all the comic strips Gary Trudeau wrote which dealt with Trump. Hillarious!! A must-read! :lol:
 

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Wich accomplishments are you talking about? Bankrupcies, not paying the people building his towers, fooling people with his casinos, fooling others with a phony so called Trump University? His biggest accomplishment was the TV show "The Apprentice" wich I appreciated. But life is not a TV show and Trump doesn't care about anybody but himself. He doesn't have a clue of what International or even National politic is about. Now he is realising he will loose and blame it on cheating, what a looser, a real looser!!!

Forget it. Our friend Newbie lives in an alternate reality. The infamous right-wing bubble. He gets his fake news from the likes of Fox News and likely loves the likes of Sean Hannity and Ann Coulter. And he probably fantasizes every night about nailing Sarah Palin and Michele Bachmann (who's married to a very gay man, by the way) every time he goes to bed at night. He doesn't realize that there's something out there called 'the real world'. Reality. And it's because of this alternate reality and right-wing bubble that American politics is now blessed with someone like Donald Trump.

But Newbie is very likely nice person in real life when politics are not involved. I know several people like our friend Newbie and they're among the nicest people you can meet. Mislead and confused, yes. But still nice people.

Let me make a bold prediction: No other Presidential candidate in the history of this great country will suffer a worst defeat than Donald Trump. I'm not even sure he'll win a single State. It will be the worst trouncing in the history of the United States politics!
 

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GOP insiders: Trump can't win

'Trump is underperforming so comprehensively...it would take video evidence of a smiling Hillary drowning a litter of puppies while terrorists surrounded her with chants of ‘Death to America,’' said an Iowa Republican.

By Steven Shepard, Politico

Republican insiders are more convinced than Democrats that Donald Trump is so far behind Hillary Clinton that he can't win in November.

Roughly half of Republican members of The POLITICO Caucus — activists, strategists and operatives in 11 swing states — believe that Trump’s path to 270 electoral votes is basically shut off after another week in which the GOP nominee appears to have ceded ground in national and most battleground state polls.

Democrats, however, aren’t breaking out the champagne just yet. Seventy-two percent of Democratic insiders said despite Clinton’s clear advantage at this stage of the race, the presidential election isn’t effectively over.

Democrats cited the unpredictability of the 2016 campaign, along with some of Clinton’s own weaknesses, for their bridled optimism. It’s a message that fits neatly with what party leaders are saying publicly and behind closed doors: Don’t get too cocky, even with Clinton well ahead of Trump in the polls.

“A lot can happen in a short period of time. This is not over. Not by a long shot,” said one Ohio Democrat — who, like all respondents, completed the survey anonymously. “Considering everything Trump has said and done, Hillary should be up 15 points in every poll.”

“We are in a great place,” added a Florida Democrat, “but nothing is over 89 days out, particularly with Clinton's trust issues."

Democrats pointed to a number of events that could alter the race: the three scheduled debates, beginning in late September, and also the possibility of further electronic breaches of Democratic National Committee communications or other party officials’ email accounts.

“It's only August. While Trump's chances are incredibly slim, it's not over yet,” a Colorado Democrat said. “Hillary's negatives are still high, and we have several more WikiLeaks data dumps coming up, and the potential for turbulence around the debates. It's possible the bar for Trump is so low that he can be declared the winner in the debates by simply not saying anything bats--t crazy.”

For the minority of Democrats — 28 percent — who said the race was effectively over, they pointed to Clinton’s seemingly impenetrable advantages with growing demographic groups, along with Trump’s foibles on the campaign trail.

“You can't win a presidential election in modern America without women and minorities,” a Nevada Democrat said. “Hillary will crush him by historic proportions with those two groups.”

“The long-awaited pivot to the general by Trump will never happen,” an Ohio Democrat added. “All the handlers in the world cannot change his behavior.”

GOP insiders were virtually split, however: 49 percent said the race was already effectively over, while 51 percent said that it wasn’t.

“While it's true that previous candidates have come back from greater deficits to win, it won't happen in 2016. The electorate is far more base-driven, with fewer persuadables,” said an Iowa Republican. “Trump is underperforming so comprehensively across states and demographics it would take video evidence of a smiling Hillary drowning a litter of puppies while terrorists surrounded her with chants of ‘Death to America!’ But in 2016, stranger things have happened.”

“Trump has failed to demonstrate he has a plan and path to 270” electoral votes, added a Wisconsin Republican. “Considering the disadvantage a GOP candidate starts with, the work in key targeted states like Ohio, Florida and Pennsylvania has to be error-free. There is no evidence that Trump has done that or that he has much of a ground game to begin with.”

But just as many Republicans said Trump still has a chance to reverse his fortunes — though many said time is running short.

“Outside events could still intervene, and I could certainly see something happening on foreign policy front that changes the face of the race, but as Yogi Berra once said, ‘It’s getting late early,’” a Michigan Republican said. “The problem is, that even when things go wrong with Hillary, Trump cannot stay out of his own way long enough just let her have a bad news cycle. He's got to show some form of proof of life, and soon.”

Added an Iowa Republican: “Trump Time is running through the bottle of the hour glass. Not quite yet, but getting close. If he doesn't move in 15 days, it's effectively over.”

One Pennsylvania Democrat cited an old political axiom, attributing it to former astronaut-turned-senator John Glenn (D-Ohio). “From Sen. Glenn, there are only two ways to run for office, one is unopposed and the other is scared,” the Democrat said. “No Democrat should feel that this is locked up, and overconfidence will hurt us in October.”

Republicans split on Trump’s debate negotiations.

GOP insiders rendered a split decision on Trump’s posture concerning the three commission-sponsored debates this fall.

Slightly fewer than half of Republican Caucus panelists, 47 percent, said Trump is right to suggest his participation could hinge on the dates, times, identities of the moderators and other details — while 53 percent said Trump is making a mistake by not committing to the debates without conditions.

One Florida Republican said the commission should take input from both major-party nominees, and there shouldn’t be a conflict with other highly-rated television programs, like live football games. “The more viewing the better for all,” the Republican said.

An Ohio Republican echoed that, saying the debates “should not be on at same time as major sporting events.” (The first debate on Sept. 26 is scheduled at the same time as a NFL game between the Atlanta Falcons and New Orleans Saints, picked by Sports Illustrated as two of the five worst teams in their conference, airing on ESPN.)

A Michigan Republican said Trump should be skeptical of unfriendly media outlets, whose on-air talent could be picked by the commission to moderate the debates.

“Trump got away with a lot in the GOP debate that he could not get away with in a debate with Hillary,” the Republican said. “He needs to be sure that he is completely comfortable with the format before he agrees to participate. There has been a pro-Hillary, anti-Trump bias in the media, so if he feels that the moderators will treat him unfairly, it doesn't make sense for him to risk being on the stage. Skipping a GOP debate did nothing to stop his momentum.”

Iowa Republicans disagreed with that last part, however: Multiple GOP insiders cited Trump’s absence from the final debate before the caucuses as a reason for his defeat there. (Trump declined to participate, citing what he described as unfair treatment from Fox News Channel, which produced and aired that debate.)

“The old adage is you cannot win an election through debates, but you can lose them. Donald Trump, as with anything, is the exception to this rule,” said an Iowa Republican. “He has GOT to win the debates or he will lose. Forfeiture is not an option. Last time he skipped a debate, he lost the Iowa caucuses.”

Other Republicans agreed with the overwhelming majority of Democrats, 85 percent, who said threatening to hold out of the debates was a mistake. One Michigan Republican said Trump “looks petty and scared.” Two Florida insiders — one from each party — called the GOP nominee “chickens---t.”

Added an Iowa Republican: “Someone has failed to teach Trump the basics of candidate school. He doesn't understand that he's no longer negotiating with [RNC chair] Reince [Priebus] and a single cable network. This is an entirely different thing. And leaving an empty chair against Hillary would be a complete disaster. He would look weak and scared and like a loser, which he would never allow around his brand. It would literally put a wooden stake in the heart of his entire campaign.”

Kristen Hayford contributed to this report.


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“there has been a pro-hillary, anti-trump bias in the media, so if he feels that the moderators will treat him unfairly,

HYSTERICAL! His supporters rave about his ability to dominate attention of the media, then they and Trump cry foul when he gets it. Maybe they are right. It's sooooooooo unfair when the media shows video of exactly what he says and he looks like such a kook. It's the media's fault for letting everyone see what Le Donald really is. Shame on the media. :pound:
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Just in case you had the idea the Trump daughters and family were somehow different from dad, just in case you let her beauty deceive you into believing she must be a much more honest and reasonable person, it turns out the apple hasn't even fallen from the tree. Donald's statement about Mexicans was 100% unambiguous, still Ivanka is not at all above using the same tactic her father does. I.E...People gave his meaning a bad spin. ;) OY VEY!!!!!
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Ivanka sought to clarify after Trump ‘rapists’ comment: report


http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...rapists’-comment-report/ar-BBvArpz?li=BBnb7Kz

Trump said when he launched his campaign in June 2015 that Mexican immigrants to the U.S. "have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."

"His statements were mischaracterized as being a categorical attack on Hispanics," Ivanka Trump said in her deposition.

"And I felt that it was very important that he clarified the fact that that was not the case. He had not said that. He had not attacked Hispanic people. But that was the immediate narrative that had been spun," she added.

UNBELIEVABLE!
 

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RNC considers cutting cash to Trump

GOP officials lay the groundwork to blame their nominee if Clinton wins.

By Eli Stokols and Kenneth P. Vogel

Publicly, Republican Party officials continue to stand by Donald Trump. Privately, at the highest levels, party leaders have started talking about cutting off support to Trump in October and redirecting cash to save endangered congressional majorities.

Since the Cleveland convention, top party officials have been quietly making the case to political journalists, donors and GOP operatives that the Republican National Committee has done more to help Trump than it did to support its 2012 nominee Mitt Romney, and that therefore Trump has only himself and his campaign to blame for his precipitous slide in the polls, according to people who have spoken with Republican leadership.

Sean Spicer, the RNC’s top strategist, on Wednesday made that case to 14 political reporters he convened at the organization’s Capitol Hill headquarters for an off-the-record conversation about the election.

Reporters from POLITICO and BuzzFeed were not invited.

According to several people who attended, Spicer spent much of the session detailing all the RNC resources that have been deployed to swing states and how the party’s infrastructure is stronger than it has ever been.

Republicans are infuriated that Donald Trump is campaigning in deep-blue Connecticut while his poll numbers dip in red and swing states.

In the words of one person in the room, the message was that the RNC has “all these staffers out there working and knocking on doors, with a data system they believe rivals what Obama build in 2012 — so it’s not their fault.”

Spicer emphasized that RNC chairman Reince Priebus has been working aggressively to coach Trump into being a more disciplined candidate, calling the nominee “five or six times a day,” according to another person present at last week’s closed-door meeting.

According to sources close to Priebus, the chairman has warned that if Trump does not better heed this persistent advice to avoid dustups driven by his rhetoric, the RNC might not be able to help him as much — suggesting that money and ground resources might be diverted.

To this point, Spicer has suggested a mid-October deadline for turning around the presidential campaign, suggesting last week to reporters and in separate discussions with GOP operatives that it would cause serious concern inside the RNC if Trump were to remain in a weakened position by then.

Operatives close to the RNC leadership who have heard this argument from party leadership, say the committee might have to make a decision about pulling the plug on Trump before that.

“Early voting in Ohio starts in a few weeks, there’s a 45-day window for absentee voters, so mid-September would probably be the latest the RNC could redeploy assets and have any real impact,” said an RNC member privately. “The only thing you could change in mid-October would be to shift some TV ads, maybe try to prop up Senate candidates in tough races like [Rob] Portman, [Marco] Rubio and [Pat] Toomey.”

One high-level Republican strategist added: “The party committee has this same job every cycle, to employ limited resources to maximum effect at the ballot box. ... And that means not pouring precious resources into dysfunctional, noncooperative, losing campaigns.”

Spicer, asked Saturday night about the ongoing discussions, told POLITICO that Trump could not be cut off soon because the party needs him to raise more money. “When I’ve gotten these questions, I’ve been correcting the record. There is no talk of shifting resources in mid-August and it’s unlikely that would happen until late September or October.”

He also said the RNC did not view the current polling deficit suffered by Trump to be impossible to overcome.

But on Thursday, POLITICO revealed that more than 70 Republicans had signed a letter to Priebus that urged him to immediately cut off spending on Trump and to shift cash to saving the party’s congressional majorities instead.

Clinton on TPP: 'I’ll oppose it as president'

Within the Trump campaign, there has been suspicion for months that the RNC already has not been as supportive of its nominee as it could — and should — be, according to operatives in and around the campaign.

“There’s lingering doubt,” said one operative who has worked with the campaign. “It's never really improved much, and never for long.” The operative dismissed efforts to withhold RNC support from Trump as “only coming from the usual suspects — the same crap from the same Republicans who can’t win elections.”

One Trump staffer dismissed the possibility that the RNC might cut off funding to the nominee and downplayed talk of tension between the entities. The staffer said he communicates with his party counterparts “multiple times a day and the interactions are 100 percent good.”

Other Trump allies in and around the campaign fear that the RNC could use Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton’s widening lead in polls to justify pulling the plug on Trump before he has a chance to even the race.

RNC fundraisers have in fact been signaling to major donors a way that they could write huge checks to Trump’s joint fundraising committee with the RNC and dictate that only a fraction — if any — of the cash would go to Trump.

Spicer has said RNC fundraisers are not communicating this sentiment.

But one fundraiser with knowledge of the party’s high-dollar fundraising efforts said earlier this summer that the message to leery donors was “people can give to the RNC and not to him.”

Through the end of June — the period covered by the most recent Federal Election Commission filings — the main Trump-RNC joint fundraising committee had transferred only $2.2 million to Trump’s campaign, compared with $10.1 million to the RNC.

The committee, Trump Victory, still had $12.1 million in the bank at that point. And his campaign announced that it had combined with the joint committee to raise $80 million in July, though it’s unclear how much of that was transferred to his campaign, as opposed to the party.

Trump himself declared Thursday that he’s doing more to boost the RNC’s coffers than the campaign is doing for him, and warned that he might back out of the joint fundraising arrangement.

By Friday, though, Trump was praising Priebus for doing “such a great job. We’re friends. We work together. We work with a lot of other people and I have to say we have great unification. Now, every once in a while, you read about somebody that wants to be a rebel, they get a little free publicly for themselves.”

Priebus, Spicer and other RNC brass also projected a united front, with Priebus rejecting reports of discord by showing up Friday at a Trump rally in Erie, Pennsylvania. “Don’t believe the garbage you read,” Priebus said. “Let me tell you something: Donald Trump, the Republican Party, all of you, we’re gonna put him in the White House and save this country together.”

But the RNC’s frustration is at a boiling point after a week of deepening division between the organization’s political and communications staffs and their counterparts on the Trump campaign.

Beyond the candidate’s continued rhetorical carelessness on the stump, his campaign has confounded GOP officials with a travel schedule — more events have been announced in Colorado and Virginia, two swing states that appear to be out of reach, and even deep blue Connecticut — that many believe is a poor use of the candidate’s time.

“He has shown no interest in doing the tough demographic work that’s necessary in campaigns,” one RNC member said. “You don't see them trying to talk to independent women, educated Hispanics; and beyond that, it’s an issue of strategic staffing. I don’t think he understands how presidential campaigns are won.”

“The senior staff gets it,” that RNC member said, “but the true believers outnumber them.”

After four years spent working toward winning back the White House, the RNC’s shift toward an endgame it didn’t envision — essentially deciding when to concede the White House to focus on saving the Senate and saving face — is a sign of resignation setting in.

On Wednesday evening as reporters were filing into the RNC’s conference room, Spicer, RNC political director Chris Carr and spokeswoman Lindsay Walters were ready to begin the briefing, but the attendees were focused on the flat screen TVs on the walls, which were tuned to CNN’s live coverage of an unknown individual, later determined to be a Trump supporter from Virginia, climbing up the glass exterior of Trump Tower with suction cups.

Even in the belly of the RNC, there was no escaping the near constant distractions of Trump.


GOC considers cutting Trump's funding
 

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Clinton leads Trump by 30 points in New York

Poll shows Trump losing support among home-state Republicans

Other Republicans on ballot could be in trouble

By Bill Mahoney, Politico

ALBANY — Democrat Hillary Clinton continues to enjoy a commanding lead in the presidential race in New York, according to a Siena Research Institute poll of registered voters conducted last week.

She’s beating Republican Donald Trump by 57-27 in a one-on-one matchup and 50-25 when third-party candidates are factored in. And while her favorability rating continues to be low — 51 percent of voters view her favorably and 46 percent unfavorably — it’s far better than Trump’s 24-72.

Those numbers are to be expected, because the state both candidates call home is solidly blue. What is surprising, however, is how poorly Trump is polling among members of his own party in his home state, according to the poll. He enjoys the support of barely half of New York’s Republicans, which has the potential to inflict serious damage on other Republicans running in New York in November.

Clinton’s support among New York’s Democrats is comparable to the numbers President Barack Obama received at this point in both of his presidential campaigns. In a Siena poll conducted during Obama’s first campaign, Democrats planned to vote for him over Sen. John McCain 77-12. Four years later, Democrats planned to vote for him by a margin of 83-14.

The poll released Monday found Clinton at 81-10 among Democrats.

In August 2008, McCain had the backing of New York Republicans by a margin of 69-16 over Obama at this point in the cycle. In 2012, former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney was winning his fellow Republicans 65-31.

As of late June, Trump’s support was similar: Siena found him at 68-21 among the GOP.

But over the following six weeks, his support among New York Republicans plummeted.

When only Clinton and Trump were named in the poll, 55 percent of Republicans said they’d vote for him, with 24 percent choosing to back the former secretary of state and 9 percent saying they won’t vote. (Only 3 percent of Democrats said they don’t plan on casting a ballot).

Trump's numbers are worse when third-party candidates included. In that scenario, only 52 percent of Republicans said they planned to vote for Trump, 20 percent would back Clinton, and 9 percent said they would support Libertarian Gary Johnson. Even Jill Stein of the Green Party got 4 percent of Republicans.

Trump's polling among Republicans was lackluster on a variety of issues. Only half said he’d be better than Clinton on “addressing tensions between the police and communities of color,” 53 percent think he’d make a better commander-in-chief, and 56 percent believe he’d work better with Congress.

There’s time for Trump to turn around his campaign, but if a significant number of Republicans continue to view him unfavorably, it could be disastrous for other Republicans on the ballot.

Presidential election years already tend to be difficult for the GOP in New York. The past two presidential election years are the only two since 1964 that a majority of victorious state Senate candidates ran as Democrats: the party picked up two seats in 2008 and four in 2012.

In 2012, six Republicans won with less than 53 percent of the vote. If the current numbers hold steady over the next 12 weeks and a sizable percentage of the Republicans who don’t like their own candidate wind up staying home, it’s feasible Democrats could be competitive in several seats beyond the small number that currently appear to be winnable.

One other finding from the poll that may be worthy of note: Members of both parties agree about who would do a better job as first spouse. Bill Clinton enjoys the support of 87 percent of Democrats to Melania Trump’s 7 percent; Republicans chose Clinton by a margin of 46-42.


Doc Holliday says: "Turn out the lights, the party's over....." ;)
 

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GOP Rep. Sanford: Trump's refusal to release tax returns will damage transparency

By Nolan D. McCaskill, Politico

Donald Trump’s refusal to release his tax returns could shatter the transparency of the democratic process for future generations in presidential and down-ballot races, Republican Rep. Mark Sanford said Sunday.

The South Carolina congressman, who plans to support his party’s nominee despite his bombastic rhetoric, argued in a New York Times op-ed that “[w]ords come and go,” but his decision not to disclose his tax returns could “reverberate long after the campaign is over.”

“To him, demands that he release his tax returns are just a ploy by his opponents and enemies to undermine his campaign. But that obstinacy will have consequences,” Sanford warned. “Not releasing his tax returns would hurt transparency in our democratic process, and particularly in how voters evaluate the men and women vying to be our leaders. Whether he wins or loses, that is something our country cannot afford.”

Sanford said he will vote for Trump in November — if he keeps his words by releasing his records.

“For one, it’s not really about his tax records per se. It’s about the American public’s ability to see other candidates’ returns,” he explained. “We have a long precedent in which every major-party presidential candidate since I was a child has released his returns. Break it now, and it stays broken.”

Allowing voters to see a candidate’s tax returns is a “central part” of determining who belongs in the Oval Office, Sanford said, adding that the “real issue” goes beyond disclosing tax returns in the presidential race.

“Rather, it’s about the hundreds of down-ballot races, in states and localities, and the transparency voters deserve here, too,” he said, noting that he released his taxes both times he ran for South Carolina governor, a move he said “felt a little like a colonoscopy.”

“The power of staying true to the precedent that had been set prevailed,” he continued. “If presidential candidates won’t release their tax returns, you can expect the same in the states. If a presidential nominee doesn’t do it, why should a candidate for governor?”

While Trump has wavered on whether he will release his tax returns, citing that he’s been advised not to do so while he’s under audit, Hillary Clinton has released her 2015 income tax return, and her running mate, Tim Kaine, and his wife have released a decade of tax returns in effort to ramp up pressure on the Republican presidential nominee to follow suit.
Trump’s running mate, Indiana Gov. Mike Pence, has also said he will release his tax returns. And Trump should, too, Sanford said.

“As with so many things in our country, the standards we set for the president determine what political standards we set for the rest of the country,” he said.


Doc Holliday says: "Of course it'll hurt his chances in the election. This isn't the GOP primaries, after all. Not only will his lack of transparency hurt his chances, but it'll hurt other GOP candidates of getting re-elected in their own respective elections. It also created a very bad precedent for the future since who says anyone run running for any office won't want to do the same thing?"
 

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Son of slain Israeli PM warns Trump about 'incitement'

By David Wright, CNN

Yuval Rabin, whose father, Yitzhak Rabin, was assassinated while serving as Prime Minister of Israel, criticized Donald Trump for appealing to "Second Amendment people" in a speech and warned that the words that politicians use can incite violence and undermine democracy.

"Trump's words are an incitement to the type of political violence that touched me personally," Rabin wrote in USAToday.

He said that Trump's appeal to "Second Amendment people" to stop Hillary Clinton -- comments that were criticized as a call for violence against Clinton, something Trump denied -- "were a new level of ugliness in an ugly campaign season."

Referencing his father, who was shot and killed by an extremist amid political tension in Israel in 1995, Rabin condemned Trump's aggressive rhetoric.

"More than one commentator in Israel and in the U.S. has pointed to the parallels between Israel in the 1990s and the U.S. today," he wrote.

"Intentional or not, the Republican presidential nominee is removing confidence in the democratic form of governance. If an election is seen as illegitimate, if those who supported a candidate are viewed as somehow lesser 'Americans,' then it becomes acceptable — and even appropriate — to work outside the political system," he warned.

Rabin continued, "Some critics have called Trump a threat to American democracy. It is not my place to make this claim, and my purpose here is much more limited. But I have been touched by political violence, and have witnessed the environment that led at least one person to believe such violence was called for."

Calling on Republican leaders to repudiate Trump's rhetoric, Rabin warned, "Trump's words are not just words. They can sow the seeds for something much more sinister."


Doc Holliday says: "The former Israeli PM's son is absolutely correct. We saw the same thing when Gabby Gifford got shot. Sarah Palin has blood on her hands from that day. Same thing with JFK back in 1960 when the Republicans circulated posters implying he should be assassinated for treason. There are a lot of lunatics out there who believe every word a demagogue like Trump says and who will go at any lenght to obey his 'orders'."
 
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