Just got turned away at the border above Plattsburgh for a dwai in 1999 ruining a perfectly planned weekend.I am not welcome in Canada until 2009 or I have to dig up the court record,police report and supply 3 letters of recommendation and drive to NY City to the Canadian Embassy.This is the first time since 1999 that I have been stopped.Any way around this?Can I go thru Vermont or a smaller crossing like Rouses Point or is my name flagged now? Not to insult my Canadian brothers but Montreal is known as the terrorist capital of North America.Does Customs and Immigration really need to waste their time keeping out middle aged tourists who had too much to drink one time in their lives.
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Look like you are not welcome to Canada you have a choice take the chance to visit our fine canadian jail or stay home because next time they wont send you right back
mattsack2 said:
You are right about that. Let the terrorist through, give him medicare, welfare , a university education, the right to protest and break the university's window ( while smiling for the cameras and the police cannot find them - why don't they look in the university for starters LOLOL) and every opportunity to steal. Then, have him manage a depanneur while planning his big next bang. Make sure that all the cops do nothing about them in the meantime but have them focus on speed traps etc. But the customs guards are our first line of defense in case you are going to NOT declare a t-shirt you bought in Plattsburgh and collect the $2.45 GST/PST/duty on it. PHew... I feel safe knowing that the t-shirt is now legit into this country.
Then the terrorist is going to get caught commiting a crime and then asked to appear in court (...I prommise...) in order to not get deported but to be given chance after chance after chance to commit more crimes etc.
Oh CAnada...our home and NAIVE land..........
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Mattsack2,
You need to speak to the Canadian Consulate and ask for a waiver. I have heard that it costs about $300. If you go to the U.S. State Department website there is more info on how to contact the Canadian Embassy.
You are not the only one who has had this happen. If you had done more research which you apparently didn't, you would know that if the DUI question is asked on a detainment, you can get turned away at the discretion of Canadian border authorities. There is a warning about this on the US State Department website. I have been asked about DUI convictions MANY times, but unlike you I am not a law breaker.
The Canadians don't want American DUI convicts driving around on their roads and killing their citizens. It's very bad politically when that happens. It makes them look like they aren't enforcing the laws. And it is a problem, although primarily with young Americans in the 18-21 age group who can't legally consume alcohol in NY or Vermont, but can do so in Canada. In case you did not see it, it was also the cover story on TIME magazine this week so it's not any secret that DUIs are epidemic in the USA.
I work in the US legal system and I was recently in a very busy criminal docket in a courthouse in Connecticut which was fucking swollen with DUI cases. If you ask me, penalties for DUI must not be stiff enough because people keep doing it. We have a 1 free pass law in Connecticut where on first offense you go into an alcohol education program, unless of course you kill someone or seriously injure them in which case you can go to jail. However there are too many repeat offenders. People need to understand you can't drink and drive. I was nearly killed yesterday in a head on collision by a guy who had to be drunk based on the way he was driving. I avoided the collision in part because I drive an expensive German car which handles like no other when you need to make a sudden turn.
For these reasons, I feel as though the law is fair and the Canadians appropriately denied you entry. You are a law breaker and you have no entitlement to go to Canada. In fact, if you pay for your waiver and the Canadians let you in, consider yourself lucky because I personally feel the waiver is bogus. Think of it as an insurance payment that you won't drink and drive and kill someone in Canada. Maybe you have learned your lesson and if so, I wish you well. But your post evinces an attitude that you did nothing wrong. You in fact did do something wrong, and you are now paying the piper. In fact if you only drank and drive once as you say, and there were no personal injuries or property damage inflicted, how did you end up with a conviction? I think you are not telling us everything.
By the ways, I do agree with you about the hypocrisy of Canada letting in the terrorist types who are all over Montreal, but denying you entry. But the truth is, you are a more imminent danger on the roads. The terrorist types in Montreal are probably only planning attacks against the USA and are no immediate threat to the safety of the average Canadian like voyageur11.
You need to speak to the Canadian Consulate and ask for a waiver. I have heard that it costs about $300. If you go to the U.S. State Department website there is more info on how to contact the Canadian Embassy.
You are not the only one who has had this happen. If you had done more research which you apparently didn't, you would know that if the DUI question is asked on a detainment, you can get turned away at the discretion of Canadian border authorities. There is a warning about this on the US State Department website. I have been asked about DUI convictions MANY times, but unlike you I am not a law breaker.
The Canadians don't want American DUI convicts driving around on their roads and killing their citizens. It's very bad politically when that happens. It makes them look like they aren't enforcing the laws. And it is a problem, although primarily with young Americans in the 18-21 age group who can't legally consume alcohol in NY or Vermont, but can do so in Canada. In case you did not see it, it was also the cover story on TIME magazine this week so it's not any secret that DUIs are epidemic in the USA.
I work in the US legal system and I was recently in a very busy criminal docket in a courthouse in Connecticut which was fucking swollen with DUI cases. If you ask me, penalties for DUI must not be stiff enough because people keep doing it. We have a 1 free pass law in Connecticut where on first offense you go into an alcohol education program, unless of course you kill someone or seriously injure them in which case you can go to jail. However there are too many repeat offenders. People need to understand you can't drink and drive. I was nearly killed yesterday in a head on collision by a guy who had to be drunk based on the way he was driving. I avoided the collision in part because I drive an expensive German car which handles like no other when you need to make a sudden turn.
For these reasons, I feel as though the law is fair and the Canadians appropriately denied you entry. You are a law breaker and you have no entitlement to go to Canada. In fact, if you pay for your waiver and the Canadians let you in, consider yourself lucky because I personally feel the waiver is bogus. Think of it as an insurance payment that you won't drink and drive and kill someone in Canada. Maybe you have learned your lesson and if so, I wish you well. But your post evinces an attitude that you did nothing wrong. You in fact did do something wrong, and you are now paying the piper. In fact if you only drank and drive once as you say, and there were no personal injuries or property damage inflicted, how did you end up with a conviction? I think you are not telling us everything.
By the ways, I do agree with you about the hypocrisy of Canada letting in the terrorist types who are all over Montreal, but denying you entry. But the truth is, you are a more imminent danger on the roads. The terrorist types in Montreal are probably only planning attacks against the USA and are no immediate threat to the safety of the average Canadian like voyageur11.
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For your information mr lawyer if you are convicted of dwi in canada you cant go to the us the first time they turn you back the second time you are in all kind of trouble Remember oklahoma city you want to blame canada for that the first attack on the world center who let those terrorist in the us .Your us immigration did so stop blaming canadian for your problem
Mattsack2,
Here is a relevant link to the U.S. State Department Bureau of Consular Affairs website:
http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1082.html
Note the following passage at the above site:
"Driving while impaired (DWI) is a serious offense in Canada. Penalties are heavy, and any prior conviction (no matter how long ago or how minor the infraction) is grounds for exclusion from Canada. Americans with a DWI record must seek a waiver of exclusion from Canadian consulates in the United States, which requires several weeks to process. It is illegal to take automobile radar detectors into Quebec, Ontario, Manitoba, the Yukon or the Northwest Territories, regardless of whether they are used or not. Police there may confiscate radar detectors, operational or not, and impose substantial fines." (emphasis added)
All Americans should also note the warning at this site about auto theft in Montreal.
Here is a relevant link to the U.S. State Department Bureau of Consular Affairs website:
http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1082.html
Note the following passage at the above site:
"Driving while impaired (DWI) is a serious offense in Canada. Penalties are heavy, and any prior conviction (no matter how long ago or how minor the infraction) is grounds for exclusion from Canada. Americans with a DWI record must seek a waiver of exclusion from Canadian consulates in the United States, which requires several weeks to process. It is illegal to take automobile radar detectors into Quebec, Ontario, Manitoba, the Yukon or the Northwest Territories, regardless of whether they are used or not. Police there may confiscate radar detectors, operational or not, and impose substantial fines." (emphasis added)
All Americans should also note the warning at this site about auto theft in Montreal.
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voyageur11 said:
Sounds good to me. If you don't let in our DWI convicts why should we let in yours? In any event it's not something I need to worry about.
Deja Vu
This happend to me and a friend on my last trip.
He had a couple of dwis from 10 years ago, and they wouldn't let him in.
I had to turn around and drop him off in platsburgh to get a bus home.
I felt bad, but I had habs tickets and hotel already booked, so I wasn't about to waste my money.
This happend to me and a friend on my last trip.
He had a couple of dwis from 10 years ago, and they wouldn't let him in.
I had to turn around and drop him off in platsburgh to get a bus home.
I felt bad, but I had habs tickets and hotel already booked, so I wasn't about to waste my money.
(not sure Why this Post isn`t in the Lounge Section, not the Escort 411 ?)
I have Posted a Poll "Do you Drive Drunk" in the Lounge
https://merb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=28029
Thanks!
I have Posted a Poll "Do you Drive Drunk" in the Lounge
https://merb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=28029
Thanks!
mattsack2 said:
As far as I know, all the customs points share a computer network. If you are flagged at one place, you are flagged everywhere.
mattsack2 said:
The Sep. 11th terrorists entered the USA with valid US visas. None of them came from anywhere in Canada.
mattsack2 said:
Drunk drivers kill more Canadians every two years than died on Sep. 11th. ( http://www.madd.ca/english/news/pr/p030530.htm ) Canadian drunk drivers are not able to enter the USA. US drunk drivers are likewise banned from Canada.
It's a serious offense. I hope you apply for a waiver legally. If you've stopped drinking and driving, I hope they grant it to you.
nueromagus said:
Wonder what would have happened had the two of you flown into Montreal?? Would they refuse the guy entry even though he wouldn't be driving...assuming your just staying downtown and not renting a car? Turn the guy away at the airport and he has to pay a nice wopping fee to the airline to fly him back home.
breadman said:
It doesn't matter. Canadian Customs don't give a rat's ass if you have to eat the price of your plane ticket. If you're denied entry at Trudeau, what will happen is they will hold you in a detention room and you make your own flight arrangement to return to the States.
breadman said:
Breadman,
How do they know he wouldn't be driving? Here is how the conversation would go at the Toronto or Montreal airport:
Canadian Customs Dude: Do you have a DWI conviction?
American tourist: Look, I am not going to be driving, so does it matter?
Canadian Customs Dude: Yes, it matters.
American tourist: Okay, I have a DWI conviction, but I promise I will not drive.
Canadian Customs Dude: It is not my job to accept promises. If I were to accept your promise and then you break it and get involved in a crash that hurts someone on your trip, I will lose my job for having let you into Canada.
American tourist: OK. So what do I need to do?
Canadian Customs Dude: Fly back to the USA, go to the Canadian Consulate, and get a waiver. It will cost you money.
American tourist (grovelling): Waaaah! Waaaah!
Canadian Customs Dude. Sorry, but this information is made available to U.S. tourists on your own State Department website. Have a safe flight back to the U.S.!!
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EagerBeaver said:
You could have just gone to the state department website and copyed and posted it here instead of spending all your time making up a conversation between a customs agent and a guy flying into Montreal.
breadman said:You could have just gone to the state department website and copyed and posted it here instead of spending all your time making up a conversation between a customs agent and a guy flying into Montreal.
Breadman,
I did copy and paste it in a post earlier in the thread (#7). I guess you didn't read it. So I made the point a bit more creatively.
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Beav,EagerBeaver said:
Wow...Your complete *******, ******** attitude never ever ceases to amaze me. Do you actually read your posts before pressing the "submit reply" button?
Aaaah...yea...you are! Think about it.EagerBeaver said:
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Special K, I've edited your post. Keep the insults out of the discussion please. It seems that a number of people are looking for fights lately and if this trend continues there will be vacation time handed out.
It's a beautiful day outside and maybe some posters would be better served by taking a nice walk in the sunshine.
M8
It's a beautiful day outside and maybe some posters would be better served by taking a nice walk in the sunshine.
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