Mod 8 said:
Is it an insult when it's the truth?
BTW, it's not about looking for fights at all, there's no need for that condescending attitude with which he chose to belittle the poster to begin with.
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Is it an insult when it's the truth?
BTW, it's not about looking for fights at all, there's no need for that condescending attitude with which he chose to belittle the poster to begin with.
Special K,
Excuse me but what about the attitude of the original poster? And how about your attitude on this Board?
(1) 1 post;
(2) Could have done a 30 second search and easily found out he would have been asked about his DWI conviction, and could have gotten a waiver for it, but like many Americans, he presumed an entitlement to go anywhere, and he dealt with a hassle for no reason;
(3) He asks Board members for advice on how to illegally enter Canada.
I said nothing that was not 100% true, and could give a rat's ass what you or anyone else thinks. This Board is not about being politically correct, or kissing anyone's ass, it kind of only works when the truth is told and it is best told straight. Unfortunately I am one of the very few posters who either tell the truth straight or get the facts right most of the time, and it's because of this type of BS that it is pointless for me to post anything.
By the ways, and somewhat ironically, I don't see that you are a great contributor to this Board of anything other than snide comments at others. I welcome the Mods to do an objective survey of how many snide posts you have put up of your total post count.
Excuse me but what about the attitude of the original poster? And how about your attitude on this Board?
(1) 1 post;
(2) Could have done a 30 second search and easily found out he would have been asked about his DWI conviction, and could have gotten a waiver for it, but like many Americans, he presumed an entitlement to go anywhere, and he dealt with a hassle for no reason;
(3) He asks Board members for advice on how to illegally enter Canada.
I said nothing that was not 100% true, and could give a rat's ass what you or anyone else thinks. This Board is not about being politically correct, or kissing anyone's ass, it kind of only works when the truth is told and it is best told straight. Unfortunately I am one of the very few posters who either tell the truth straight or get the facts right most of the time, and it's because of this type of BS that it is pointless for me to post anything.
By the ways, and somewhat ironically, I don't see that you are a great contributor to this Board of anything other than snide comments at others. I welcome the Mods to do an objective survey of how many snide posts you have put up of your total post count.
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What about the Toronto Blue Jays player...Gustavo Chasin...who was arrested in March at 4am by Tampa Bay police and charged with a DUI...he had twice the legal limit at the time.
And lookee here...here's a story on old Mr Chasin down at Syracuse. Last I heard that's in the United States. Unless the Blue Jays are only using him while they are playing in the states, can't see how he's getting back and forth across the border.
I really didn't try to search every team to see if other players have gotten DUI's...but in this day and drinking age im sure there are a handful. So how are they getting across the border to play games is what I'd like to know.
And lookee here...here's a story on old Mr Chasin down at Syracuse. Last I heard that's in the United States. Unless the Blue Jays are only using him while they are playing in the states, can't see how he's getting back and forth across the border.
I really didn't try to search every team to see if other players have gotten DUI's...but in this day and drinking age im sure there are a handful. So how are they getting across the border to play games is what I'd like to know.
breadman,
Chacin likely paid for the waiver (or the Jays paid it for him and docked his pay), as the original poster could have done if he had looked into the issue.
Note that the DWI conviction is not a permanent ban, if you get a waiver.
Chacin likely paid for the waiver (or the Jays paid it for him and docked his pay), as the original poster could have done if he had looked into the issue.
Note that the DWI conviction is not a permanent ban, if you get a waiver.
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Some Info
When I saw this thread I started checking around and after a quick search I came across this link;
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/visit/conviction.asp
I hope it helps, don't want to miss out on my trip to Montreal because of an oversight on my part. Thanks for the heads up everyone.
Uncle Poki
When I saw this thread I started checking around and after a quick search I came across this link;
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/visit/conviction.asp
I hope it helps, don't want to miss out on my trip to Montreal because of an oversight on my part.
Thanks for the heads up everyone. Uncle Poki
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You are not welcome here.....................
...........because you are a drunken irresponsible inconsiderate persona that thinks he has the right to drive impaired on booze. You risk killing innocent people on both sides of the border.
It is not because you might be a threat as a terrorist, it is because you are a danger to society. So what! that you are inconvienenced that you can not cross to this side of the border. So what! If you have to inconvienience yourself to go to the Canadian embassy to get permission to cross into Canada. I would bet that if you were Canadian and had found to be DWI in the states you would never be allowed to return.
...........because you are a drunken irresponsible inconsiderate persona that thinks he has the right to drive impaired on booze. You risk killing innocent people on both sides of the border.
It is not because you might be a threat as a terrorist, it is because you are a danger to society. So what! that you are inconvienenced that you can not cross to this side of the border. So what! If you have to inconvienience yourself to go to the Canadian embassy to get permission to cross into Canada. I would bet that if you were Canadian and had found to be DWI in the states you would never be allowed to return.
See you can learn from an average Canadian driving an inexpensive japanese car about U.S. lawEagerBeaver said:
voyageur11 said:
Just make sure you keep driving that inexpensive Japanese vehicle in a sober condition or you're gonna lose your USA border crossing privileges
. I drove those cars my whole life, BTW, before moving on to the German one I just got.
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I'm a bit surprised that a single DUI conviction should be a bar to entering either country.
I'm no fan of DUI and have seen the devastation caused but we are all human and can slip once, learn our lesson and move on to be responsible. I think its unfair to be too harsh towards a person with a sole conviction.
I'm extremely careful, have never been convicted but I expect that I probably have not been without sin. I also expect that, in this regard, I'm in the majority.
I'm no fan of DUI and have seen the devastation caused but we are all human and can slip once, learn our lesson and move on to be responsible. I think its unfair to be too harsh towards a person with a sole conviction.
I'm extremely careful, have never been convicted but I expect that I probably have not been without sin. I also expect that, in this regard, I'm in the majority.
Dee,
It's not a ban if the American DWI convict is willing to pay about $300 or so to the Canadian consulate to get the necessary waiver.
As far as Canadian DWI convicts coming to the USA, I have to rely on what V11 has posted above and don't know whether or not a waiver can be obtained in the same fashion. Perhaps V11 can enlighten us on this.
It's not a ban if the American DWI convict is willing to pay about $300 or so to the Canadian consulate to get the necessary waiver.
As far as Canadian DWI convicts coming to the USA, I have to rely on what V11 has posted above and don't know whether or not a waiver can be obtained in the same fashion. Perhaps V11 can enlighten us on this.
If you are found guilty of a criminal act like dwi because it is a criminal act in Canada you are ban from entering the U.S. Even a pardon from a Canadian court wont help you getting into the U.S You can ask for a waiver after 5 years it will cost 6 or 7 hundreds $ depending of your lawyer and you might loose your money because its their country and they dont have to let you in
This is not widely known amongst American Tourists.
All commercial Airline travellers to canada should be warned before they purchase their tickets. A single DUI no matter how long ago is grounds for exclusion. A single drug possession may also be grounds for exclusion even for possession of small amounts that are not prosecuted in Canada.
If publicized, these rules may have an adverse impact on the Vancouver Olympics.
All commercial Airline travellers to canada should be warned before they purchase their tickets. A single DUI no matter how long ago is grounds for exclusion. A single drug possession may also be grounds for exclusion even for possession of small amounts that are not prosecuted in Canada.
If publicized, these rules may have an adverse impact on the Vancouver Olympics.
Remember many U.S. citizen like to blame Canada for their problem.I dont think anyone has the world terrorist writhin in their cv when they come here U.S immigration let Andrew Speaker back into the U.S even if they where looking for him they had his picture his passport number and still he made it back into the state
voyageur11 said:
good point.
before 9/11 the all-knowing americans also didn't think it was a big deal that every kid from saudi arabia who applied for a student visa to the US also happened to use their visit (coincidentally of course) as an opportunity to take those long awaited flying lessons... Even less disturbing was the saudi flying student who requested not to learn about "landing"... He only wanted to know about flying -- landing was not a concern. You would think this would be a red flag to someone...
Nah, all that stuff is forgotten now. Easier to just blame Canada...
BD
When asked questions by customs, employers, cops and other control freaks freaks. Never give them anything to chew on.
In the 1 in a million chance they come back & ask you why you answered no when it was yes, or why you answered yes and it was no. You forgot. You didn't understand. It wasn't important. You didn't want a bunch of trouble about nothing slowing you down.
For those of you that wilt & shrivel every time an authority figure speaks with you. Just stay in your house.
In the 1 in a million chance they come back & ask you why you answered no when it was yes, or why you answered yes and it was no. You forgot. You didn't understand. It wasn't important. You didn't want a bunch of trouble about nothing slowing you down.
For those of you that wilt & shrivel every time an authority figure speaks with you. Just stay in your house.
hydragoat said:
Wow! Such an educated, whise advice! Everybody know these employees are control freaks! Nobody could ever think they're actually just doing their jobs and, after seeing a few dozen jerks by shift, maybe their sense of humor and manners might be affected so, it's totally normal to act as jerks with them! NOT!!!
The way to go? Be honest, don't play dumb, don't invent stories and, most important, don't play "smart ass" because 9 out of 10, they'll win over you. If you're telling the truth, chances are you won't get confused and won't give them bad answers and change your mind if asked again.
These peoples see all kind of peoples, from the worst crook to the most innocent old lady. They can possibly miss the worst ones because those don't show stress? Custom Officials are trained to spot signs of stress and some are extremely good at it. I rarely experience delays when I cross the border but, I've seen 2 old ladies being singled-out and surprise, carrying a trunkfull of illegal cigarettes! I go by no problems and they stopped 2 old ladies!
Again last week, I drove by Canadian Customs in Prescott, with my motorcycle. Quick chat with the officer, remove the full face so he can see I match my papers and I'm on my way! I push my bike to the search area, so I don't block the way while I but my helmet back and get my papers in my wallet. Behind me, an older gentlemen with a nice Mercedes. He had to pull aside and got searched! Me, a "biker", no problems and him, a respectable old man, getting pulled aside. It's all in the attitude and appearance of guilt.
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A funny kind of enforcement.
Hello all,
It sure was a funny kind of enforcement I experienced last week. When I went to Montreal a few years ago with a rented car they pulled me over and went through everything. Last week under the same circumstances:
Guard: how are you today?
Me: good, how are you?
Guard: where are you going and what is the purpose of your trip?
Me: to Montreal to visit some friends and see the sites.
Guard: do you have any fruits or vegetables?
Me: nope, I have some Power Aid to drink.
Guard: are you carrying any weapons?
Me: no, never.
Guard: have a nice day.
Me: bonne journee'.
Guard: bonne journee'.
The guard never asked if the car was mine and never asked if I even had a passport.
Love Montreal,
Korbel
Hello all,
It sure was a funny kind of enforcement I experienced last week. When I went to Montreal a few years ago with a rented car they pulled me over and went through everything. Last week under the same circumstances:
Guard: how are you today?
Me: good, how are you?
Guard: where are you going and what is the purpose of your trip?
Me: to Montreal to visit some friends and see the sites.
Guard: do you have any fruits or vegetables?
Me: nope, I have some Power Aid to drink.
Guard: are you carrying any weapons?
Me: no, never.
Guard: have a nice day.
Me: bonne journee'.
Guard: bonne journee'.
The guard never asked if the car was mine and never asked if I even had a passport.
Love Montreal,
Korbel
metoo4 said:
My point about custom questions was valid and solid.
It applies to the question and not about cigarette smugglers, worst crooks & smart asses.
As for my ...and other control freaks...you have point and are correct that most police are just doing their jobs. However doctors, firemen, psychologists, pilots all have vocations based upon their aspirations, likes, dislikes and abilities. As do police. Police work is usually observe, watch, stop, detain, prevent, arrest....ergo control. Most of us do not like doing this.
As for the older gentleman with the nice mercedes. Your assumption that he got searched was presumptious. Random checks and pseudo random checks do not mean you get searched. Furthermore when travelling on business, the questions can be numerous & lengthy. One's employers (the corporation) could also be on a US Marshal list for outstanding legal proceedings etc.
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