Voluntary Sexual or Intimacy Bonuses, Perks, and/or Freebies.

[Jman47]

To members...and notably the mods,



I was just wondering if it would be possible, and of some value, if there was a system where the escorts could post their bad client stories where neither the escort or client would be identified? It would be an anonymous section containing only the story of Client X where no names are used on either side, but would be available as a means of better understanding the problems within encounters and a lesson for all. The stories would be sent to the mods by the escorts (sorry, not really trying to increase your workload) and approved for relevance and anonymity. The anonymity would save everyone from a flame war while providing better insight into conditions, what not to do, and what to expect. No agency, escort, client, location names or other identifications allowed.

Interest???

Merlot

Hello Merlot,

Absolutely an interest and I see tremendous value. I have heard tale that the ladies do have a "private" type section on some boards where by "membership only"(you have to be one of the ladies) they can share information. However, I like this concept because as we all know peer pressure or fear of public embarrassment could be a huge motivator.

Have fun,

Jman

 

[Mod 11]

We had a few girls who tried reviewing customers a while ago. I think there must be a thread somewhere. The girls were not anonymous. It was hilarious!

The problem with anonymity is who's who. Who could tell "GoodLookin' escort" isn't in fact a 5'2" 400 pounds guy with rotten teeth and who haven't bathe once in the last 10 years?

I like your idea but implementing it would be difficult. We would need full cooperation from agencies and indies interested in participating. Mods would need to be able to confirm the girl is real. Of course, customers would need to stay totally anonymous, meaning some extraordinary experiences could not be told because too specific to a certain identifiable customer.

 

[Doc Holliday]

I have heard tale that the ladies do have a "private" type section on some boards where by "membership only"(you have to be one of the ladies) they can share information.

Quite true. But it can also be troublesome. I remember a few years ago, an sp who had fallen hard for a client (who rejected her later) began a hate campaign against him on the ladies' private section of that board. Most of the stuff she posted was untrue & was posted to harm his reputation. An sp friend of his read the stuff the other sp had said about him & reported it to him. It wasn't pretty, to say the least. From what i recall, the mods had to step in & do some major cleaning up after investigating the matter & uncovering the truth.

Who knows how much more damage would have been done if the guy didn't have that sp friend looking out for him?

 

[Jman47]

Quite true. But it can also be troublesome. I remember a few years ago, an sp who had fallen hard for a client (who rejected her later) began a hate campaign against him on the ladies' private section of that board. Most of the stuff she posted was untrue & was posted to harm his reputation. An sp friend of his read the stuff the other sp had said about him & reported it to him. It wasn't pretty, to say the least. From what i recall, the mods had to step in & do some major cleaning up after investigating the matter & uncovering the truth.

Who knows how much more damage would have been done if the guy didn't have that sp friend looking out for him?

That's true Doc. My comments were based on the assumption that all involved would speak and act responsibly, professionally and maturely. What was I thinking...?!

 

[Mod 8]

Hello everyone,

There was once a proposal made in regards to SPs having a password protected forum to exchange such information and there was a huge outcry from the membership not to permit this as they would not be permitted to view this section. That is the only possibility for providers to be allowed to post such information, and of course this would be restricted to advertisers only due to the same verification problems that prevent us from allowing providers to reply in review threads.

I seriously doubt that this will ever come to pass here on MERB.

M8

 

[Pogo]

I got a big discount for an SP on a new car, so she rewarded me with 3 x 1 hours of service. It was a good deal for her as she saved 4 times as much as it cost for the 3 hours.

 

[CS Martin]

Remarkable how consistent these numbers are. Very Interesting Poll.

 

[Special K]

Hello everyone,

There was once a proposal made in regards to SPs having a password protected forum to exchange such information and there was a huge outcry from the membership not to permit this as they would not be permitted to view this section. That is the only possibility for providers to be allowed to post such information, and of course this would be restricted to advertisers only due to the same verification problems that prevent us from allowing providers to reply in review threads.

I seriously doubt that this will ever come to pass here on MERB.

M8

I think that as long as they're paid advertisers they should have a private section of the board to discuss amongst themselves the pros and cons of their work and their clients. Unless of course the people doing the outcrying have something to hide? I'm all for it!

SK

 

[freezin]

I'm sure that anyone who is decent to the ladies has gotten some sort of generosity if they have been around long enough...and it doesn't take very long for that to happen.

I don't believe this.

 

[PMikey]

LOL...stories like this continue to sometimes just amaze me. If a guy smells that bad and his oral hygiene is that awful...doesn't the lady have the right to say...gee, thanks, but have a great day...here's your envelope, I have to go now...??? I have heard some of these kind of stories before and frankly they disgust me. If someone does not have enough decency to wash, then I have to ask myself what else could he/she not be taking care of? Anyway...my 2 cents...

You've got an excellent point.

But, keep in mind, a lot of these guys resort to SPs because they can't get sex any other way. With stories like these, it's no real mystery WHY they can't.

While my heart feels for these guys, I completely agree that the ladies have the right to refuse.

When I used to frequent SPs quite regularly, when describing what I was looking for, I would often comment that the lady should not object to "heavy" guys. The last thing I want is half-assed service because she's horrified/disgusted by fat guys.

Still, heavy or not, I always shower just before they arrive and make sure that I'm clean, well groomed, and with fresh breath. One time, in a hotel, I took my shower and put the lady's fee in my shirt pocket. It got a little damp (as I was still a little damp) and the girl was kinda shocked when I handed her the money ("It's wet?!?").

 

[hungry101]

I`m all for them having there own private section or merb or even better yet being able to fire up in the same forms as we post in. It would spice up the board and at times we would get both sides of the stories and we could come to our own conclusions as to what or who we believe. I am no white knight but i do not believe for a second that when encounters go bad that it is always the lady that is to blame.

Yes Jeff there is the John`s side the SP`s side and then there is the truth (LOL). How many times have you read a review that said no DFK and no and then you discover these services are available and then the SP says ``please do not put this in a review.`` It is amazing how many guys receive poor service due to what appears to be poor hygiene.

I respect everyone else`s opinion but I am not sure that I believe that SP`s should respond in review threads unless there is an egregious error such as theft, STD or a shakedown etc. They should try to avoid the review section of the board. There is something like Big Doggie or Escort.Com where the SP responds after every good review with ``Thank you dear I enjoyed my time too.`` And when one guy gave a girl a 7 she flew into a rage etc. I just think that we pay for the service and they provide the service. We review and they get reviewed. We already know that this is someone`s opinion and subject to interpretation. The day they start paying me then I should be reviewed.

 

[duetoday]

I am not sure i would really like to be reviewed...at my age performance is not so steady anymore...and i must admit that sometimes i am a bit of an ass...

 

[THEHITMAN]

The poll results for BBFS seem surprisingly high. I`d expect numbers this high from guys who see lower tier, drug addicted, street corner hookers. The girls I`ve been seeing haven`t seemed dumb enough or desperate enough to offer this - and that makes me feel good!

I was only able to check-off CIMWS and phone number. I did have one SP invite me out on a real date, but regretably I live 3+ hours from Montreal so I couldn`t take her up on the offer in time before she wrote me off as being disinterested. You`ve got to act fast on offers from the pretty ones because it`s not like they have any trouble finding interested men. Stupid me.

These numbers that we are seeing are from people who I guess who are clean,well dressed and presentable.A couple of my buddies have told me about there experiences with certain sp`s or mps`s.No one was tricked or blackmailed into doing anything the girls and the clients felt comfortable with each other and it just happened.

 

[Merlot]

Hello all,

I'm sure that anyone who is decent to the ladies has gotten some sort of generosity if they have been around long enough...and it doesn't take very long for that to happen.

I don't believe this.

Well, I base my view on a few doses of reality about myself. Obviously, I'm here so I'm don't have a perfect body, I'm not a model, I'm not Don Juan, and I don't consider myself the world's greatest lover...though I would say I get very "enthusiastically dedicated". I am just an average guy. If I can get these bonuses, perk, or freebies it must be because I treat the ladies well and I present myself as cleanly and as well groomed as I can. My statement above was never meant to imply this happens often. I said, "anyone who is decent", not that most are. I'm not an escort so I don't know what most clients are like. But in view of the answers to this poll I would say my statement above is perfectly accurate.

Let me tell you this. The first year I saw only 7 escorts, being far from Montreal, and none of the meetings had these extras. The next year the extras started happening, and with one lady I was offered a special arrangement even though we had not even met yet. We had exchanged email addresses and it went from there. Three straight days with her were awesome. After that the extras with SPs in general were not common, but not rare either. Of course it's also a matter of doing the research to see who is most likely to be more receptive. But these extras also just happen sometimes.

I think it's just impossible for any decent client (manners, cleanliness, respect) to avoid receiving these extras over time unless they have real attitude and behavior problems. And, I'm not talking about having to treat her like a glass slipper either. I've received these extras despite shaking every piece of furniture and fixture in the room during some "hardcore" sweaty sex with the lady. It's not about having to use kid gloves with her for the whole meeting. So anyone who hasn't been given these bonuses, perks, or freebies over the years is almost definitely the one who needs to make some serious attitude adjustments.

These numbers that we are seeing are from people who I guess who are clean,well dressed and presentable.A couple of my buddies have told me about there experiences with certain sp's or mps's.No one was tricked or blackmailed into doing anything the girls and the clients felt comfortable with each other and it just happened.

Case in point. Compatibility. Thanks.

I think that as long as they're paid advertisers they should have a private section of the board to discuss amongst themselves the pros and cons of their work and their clients. Unless of course the people doing the outcrying have something to hide? I'm all for it!

SK

Some people just want to either hide their head in a hole and think it isn't going on anyway, they are too worried about what they might read about themselves (hence my proposal that no identifications or tell tale information be allowed about individual identity), or they are just plain chauvinists who want the board to themselves. We could learn a lot from what the ladies have to say, but them some just don't want to learn.

Cheers,

Merlot

 

[freezin]

I think it's just impossible for any decent client (manners, cleanliness, respect) to avoid receiving these extras over time unless they have real attitude and behavior problems............
..........So anyone who hasn't been given these bonuses, perks, or freebies over the years is almost definitely the one who needs to make some serious attitude adjustments.Merlot

This is a ridiculous statement, Merlot.

Like any self respecting any individual, I present myself freshly showered, well groomed and appropriately dressed when I anticipate intimacy. I would not enjoy it myself if this were not the case.
I stay only in 4 or 5 star hotels. I know each ladies drink preferences, so I can provide appropriate drinks and snacks. When I book the hotel, I pre-order a fruit and cheese tray for each evening of my stay.
I have rarely booked for less than 3 hours, and prefer 4 or 5 hours, sometimes overnights. I strive to treat everyone with respect (not just SP's) and seek the same treatment in return.
Based on your reviews, I know I have seen some of the same ladies as you (Lilly Lombard, Maria Divina, Mora-More and others) and they always follow up the encounter with a thank-you email and have invited me for a repeat encounter. When my business has taken me to other cities, they have been happy to forward recommendations for SP's who require such. Independents that I meet in Vancouver told me that such referrals were very, very positive. My first date with Mora-More was an overnight... something she told me she normally does not offer on a first meeting, but since the recommendation from her duo partner (Lily) was so positive she felt comfortable. I've seen Chloe (of CP) on several evenings, and she has never had a problem with my repeat request or recommending me to girls at her agency.
I am pretty sure, I am not perceived as unclean, less than a gentleman or threatening.

However, I alway get the time and services agreed upon. Nothing More and hopefully nothing less. I do not agree that this means I "require serious attitude adjustments".
If the service and time is as advertised, I will be a happy man.

You create a poll that can only be answered by those who receive extra's services. Then you follow it up with a comment that anyone who has not received one of the listed freebies, requires serious attitude adjustments.
I think it is great that you are getting this things. However, I find fault with your logic regarding the men who have not had similar experiences. I have not received such extras, and yet I still think I am a decent client, without behavioral or hygiene issues.

I disagree with your comments, and your philosophy completely.

 

[Merlot]

This is a ridiculous statement, Merlot.

Like any self respecting any individual, I present myself freshly showered, well groomed and appropriately dressed when I anticipate intimacy. I would not enjoy it myself if this were not the case.
I stay only in 4 or 5 star hotels. I know each ladies drink preferences, so I can provide appropriate drinks and snacks. When I book the hotel, I pre-order a fruit and cheese tray for each evening of my stay.
I have rarely booked for less than 3 hours, and prefer 4 or 5 hours, sometimes overnights. I strive to treat everyone with respect (not just SP's) and seek the same treatment in return.
Based on your reviews, I know I have seen some of the same ladies as you (Lilly Lombard, Maria Divina, Mora-More and others) and they always follow up the encounter with a thank-you email and have invited me for a repeat encounter. When my business has taken me to other cities, they have been happy to forward recommendations for SP's who require such. Independents that I meet in Vancouver told me that such referrals were very, very positive. My first date with Mora-More was an overnight... something she told me she normally does not offer on a first meeting, but since the recommendation from her duo partner (Lily) was so positive she felt comfortable. I've seen Chloe (of CP) on several evenings, and she has never had a problem with my repeat request or recommending me to girls at her agency.
I am pretty sure, I am not perceived as unclean, less than a gentleman or threatening.

However, I alway get the time and services agreed upon. Nothing More and hopefully nothing less. I do not agree that this means I "require serious attitude adjustments".
If the service and time is as advertised, I will be a happy man.

You create a poll that can only be answered by those who receive extra's services. Then you follow it up with a comment that anyone who has not received one of the listed freebies, requires serious attitude adjustments.
I think it is great that you are getting this things. However, I find fault with your logic regarding the men who have not had similar experiences. I have not received such extras, and yet I still think I am a decent client, without behavioral or hygiene issues.

I disagree with your comments, and your philosophy completely.

Hello Freezin,

Let me be clear. I have not accused or implied any specific individual is not being a decent, respectful, or hygienic person, and I am sure not implying anything about you. All I can say is that in view of the reviews and very well known reputations of some ladies it is utterly mystifying that given everything you say above that you have not ever received an extra benefit listed in the poll or any other extra benefit or favor from either of these escorts or any other escorts. I couldn't possibly explain it given that you are decent, respectful, and clean. Maybe you just like everything being all business all of the time, get what you paid for and nothing more. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. But, I am certain many others who have met some of the very best ladies are as completely mystified as I by your post in general regarding your not having experienced any of the extras on the poll.

As for the statement being "ridiculous"...50 votes say the opposite.

And, if there was an option saying...I've had no extras, how could that indicate why or what kind of person the voter is anyway.

Cheers friend,

Merlot

 

[freezin]

Let me be clear. I have not accused or implied any specific individual is not being a decent, respectful, or hygienic person, and I am sure not implying anything about you.

yeah... more like a group of people

"I think it's just impossible for any decent client (manners, cleanliness, respect) to avoid receiving these extras over time unless they have real attitude and behavior problems............
..........So anyone who hasn't been given these bonuses, perks, or freebies over the years is almost definitely the one who needs to make some serious attitude adjustments"

As for the statement being "ridiculous"...50 votes say the opposite.

Are you referring to the 50+ people on the poll or the many who posted replies? No one else seem to make a comment that stated if you are not receiving extra's then you need to make some serious attitude adjustments - everyone else seem to be talking about the service they received - not analyzing the character of those who had different experiences. Who are these other 50 votes?

And, if there was an option saying...I've had no extras, how could that indicate why or what kind of person the voter is anyway.

It would not at all... just as the current options do not indicate WHY the person got extras.
All I simply said what that you made a broad, sweeping, insulting generalization about a group of guys who are not even voting in your poll. I didn't mean to say that your poll was faulty or that adding another option would explain why some ladies provide bonus fun.

Lastly, maybe I should have not mentioned specific SP names. (Let me know, if should edit that out)
My intent was simply to imply that we are seeing similiar ladies with different results. I just don't agree that the difference has to do with being a "decent client" without behavior or hygiene problems.
I am not sure if it really matters why. I'll keep repeating until they decline. Then I won't ask why, I'll just look elsewhere.

 

[Merlot]

yeah... more like a group of people

Are you referring to the 50+ people on the poll or the many who posted replies? No one else seem to make a comment that stated if you are not receiving extra's then you need to make some serious attitude adjustments - everyone else seem to be talking about the service they received - not analyzing the character of those who had different experiences. Who are these other 50 votes?

Well Freezin,

There have been clients who were sloppily drunk or stoned, filthy and stinky, acted like misogynist jerks, those who tried to coerce escorts for free extras, forced them to do sex acts they refused to do, refused to pay what they owe, stalked ladies, roughed them up, stolen from them, tricked escorts into BBFS, beat them, murdered them and more. That's just what has been reported on the boards since I have been hobbying. So you can see where my reference to "attitude" came from. Now if there was a place to vote for not having received extras your implication would be more valid, but it would not change the fact that there are some serious other A******s out there. Hence the reference.

Bonne nuit,

Merlot

 

[freezin]

Well Freezin,

There have been clients who were sloppily drunk or stoned, filthy and stinky, acted like misogynist jerks, those who tried to coerce escorts for free extras, forced them to do sex acts they refused to do, refused to pay what they owe, stalked ladies, roughed them up, stolen from them, tricked escorts into BBFS, beat them, murdered them and more. That's just what has been reported on the boards since I have been hobbying. So you can see where my reference to "attitude" came from. Now if there was a place to vote for not having received extras your implication would be more valid, but it would not change the fact that there are some serious other A******s out there. Hence the reference.

Bonne nuit,

Merlot

Merlot, I do not understand what relevance that post has to this conversation. Everyone knows, there are jerks and A**h*** out there. No one debates that.
I only question that fact that you arrived at the conclusion that something can be determine about a hobbyist character, attitude, behavior or hygiene based on the fact that he has not received extra's where other have.
How in the H*LL can you conclude that there is some correlation to these undesirables individuals based on the fact that he can't check off the freebies on your list.

Your entire thought process is ridiculous.

Clearly, we are going to disagree. You are not going to grasp my point and I am certainly not going to grasp yours.
So let's put this to bed and move on.

 

[Merlot]

Your entire thought process is ridiculous.

Well,

My thought process has brought bonuses with the ladies. According to you yours hasn't. The difference.

Night night,

Merlot

PS

Getting a very cold feeling from you.