Weapons in USA

[CLOUD 500]

Guns do not kill people, people kill people. Remember that. There was a reason for the 2nd Amendment. Every human has the right to defend themselves, that is a human right. It is naive to be at the mercy of police, they cannot be everywhere and most often they cannot be there when the need is greatest.

1992 Los Angeles riots - Wikipedia

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This bring me a perfect example of this, the 1992 Los Angeles riots. In 1992 the Los Angeles riots broke out after four police officers who severely beat Rodney King were acquitted. The people began rioting. The supposedly Liberal celebrities demanded the policy protect them, so the police withdrew to those affluent neighborhoods to protect the rich and famous.

This left Koreatown in particular at the mercy of the rampaging rioters. The Koreans did not do anything wrong to King. They were just honest and hard working people whose livelihoods were now at risk. So what did they do?



They armed themselves to defend their stores. There was no police in the area. The police were out protecting the rich Liberal anti-gun Californians. So as you can see, some are misguided to want to ban all guns putting all faith in police and accept to sit like a sitting duck, well the LA riots prove that the police were not always there.

So to conclude, a weapon is a tool. Any tool can be used to kill in the wrong hands, one should not blame the tool. You may need a gun to defend yourself because more often then not the police will not be there when you need the protection the most.

 

[Jazzman1218]

Guns do not kill people, people kill people. Remember that. There was a reason for the 2nd Amendment. Every human has the right to defend themselves, that is a human right. It is naive to be at the mercy of police, they cannot be everywhere and most often they cannot be there when the need is greatest.

1992 Los Angeles riots - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

This bring me a perfect example of this, the 1992 Los Angeles riots. In 1992 the Los Angeles riots broke out after four police officers who severely beat Rodney King were acquitted. The people began rioting. The supposedly Liberal celebrities demanded the policy protect them, so the police withdrew to those affluent neighborhoods to protect the rich and famous.

This left Koreatown in particular at the mercy of the rampaging rioters. The Koreans did not do anything wrong to King. They were just honest and hard working people whose livelihoods were now at risk. So what did they do?

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They armed themselves to defend their stores. There was no police in the area. The police were out protecting the rich Liberal anti-gun Californians. So as you can see, some are misguided to want to ban all guns putting all faith in police and accept to sit like a sitting duck, well the LA riots prove that the police were not always there.

So to conclude, a weapon is a tool. Any tool can be used to kill in the wrong hands, one should not blame the tool. You may need a gun to defend yourself because more often then not the police will not be there when you need the protection the most.

Guns don't kill people. People WITH GUNS kill people. A gun is not a tool like a hammer or a screwdriver that exist to serve a particular non-lethal purpose. The only purpose of a gun is to kill or injure.

 

[Womaniser]

Guns don't kill people. People WITH GUNS kill people. A gun is not a tool like a hammer or a screwdriver that exist to serve a particular non-lethal purpose. The only purpose of a gun is to kill or injure.

Not entirely right, in many countries, they are or were used for hunting and sport and competitions shooting, even at the Olympic Games.
I don't believe that assault rifles are used in competitions. Except perhaps in USA.

 

[Jazzman1218]

Not entirely right, in many countries, they are or were used for hunting and sport and competitions shooting, even at the Olympic Games.
I don't believe that assault rifles are used in competitions. Except perhaps in USA.

 

[Jazzman1218]

However the argument is that guns are just another tool. I was outside today using a couple of tools - a wheelbarrow and a leaf blower. Want to guess how many mass killings have been committed with a wheelbarrow and/or a leaf blower?

 

[CLOUD 500]

I see some missed the whole point. The forefathers used guns to be free of the British in the American revolution, hunters used guns for food, just as the Koreans used guns to defend their stores in the Los Angeles riots when police were not there. Some put too much faith in the government. So yes a gun is a tool.

 

[Jazzman1218]

Au contraire, mon frere. We are not living in the 18th century. But even a strict Constitutional originalist must concede there is nothing in the 2nd amendment that justifies allowing guns of war in our streets. The 2nd amendment was written before there was a standing army, or even police departments, and the single fire musket was the best hand-carried weapon known to man. Citizens had to be armed to join the citizens militia and fight the King or whoever the fuck tried to invade us. That's not the case today, is it? Is this the Constitutional hill you really want to die on? And what riots? The Watts riots of 1965 or the riots that followed the 1992 acquittal of the police that beat Rodney King? Really? That's your justification for weapons or war and more guns in America than citizens?

 

[CLOUD 500]

You are still missing the point, the Los Angeles riots happened in 1992 as a result of police being acquited of the brutal beating of Rodney King. Not that long ago, much more recent compared to the American revolution. The point is every living human being has the right to defend themselves and their property. The example I pointed out is a perfect example of that, had the Koreans not decided to take matters into their own hands their stores would have been ranshacked, their livelihoods destroyed, and their safety in threatened. The Koreans were honest hard working people that had nothing to do with the brutal beating of Rodney King by police.

 

[Jazzman1218]

You are still missing the point, the Los Angeles riots happened in 1992 as a result of police being acquited of the brutal beating of Rodney King. Not that long ago, much more recent compared to the American revolution. The point is every living human being has the right to defend themselves and their property. The example I pointed out is a perfect example of that, had the Koreans not decided to take matters into their own hands their stores would have been ranshacked, their livelihoods destroyed, and their safety in threatened. The Koreans were honest hard working people that had nothing to do with the brutal beating of Rodney King by police.

And you are missing mine. A violent riot over 30 years ago, brought on by a miscarriage of justice, is your justification for the obscene amount and lethalness of guns in America? That's absurd.

 

[Womaniser]

And you are missing mine. A violent riot over 30 years ago, brought on by a miscarriage of justice, is your justification for the obscene amount and lethalness of guns in America? That's absurd.

I wonder what is the ratio of saved lives by citizens with firearms on the number of deaths caused by volontary or misuse of firearms.
I would bet the ratio would be very low.

 

[Jazzman1218]

I wonder what is the ratio of saved lives by citizens with firearms on the number of deaths caused by volontary or misuse of firearms.
I would bet the ratio would be very low.

I think we all know what that plus-minus would be.

 

[Womaniser]

I think we all know what that plus-minus would be.

The mother of the 6 years old kid that shot his woman teacher has been given a 22 months jail time.
She left a loaded pistol easily accessible that his kid brought to school.

 

[Jazzman1218]

An Ohio woman is facing a child endangerment charge after her 2 year old toddler found a loaded gun in her purse and fired it at the local Walmart. Fortunately, no one was hit by the bullet that landed in the ceiling of the store.

 

[Fradi]

An Ohio woman is facing a child endangerment charge after her 2 year old toddler found a loaded gun in her purse and fired it at the local Walmart. Fortunately, no one was hit by the bullet that landed in the ceiling of the store.

Those high prices have got to come down, sorry couldn’t resist.
Seriously though why this insane love of fire arms in the US I will never understand.

 

[Womaniser]

Those high prices have got to come down, sorry couldn’t resist.
Seriously though why this insane love of fire arms in the US I will never understand.

An american teenager has been condemned to life in prison for the murder of 4 schoolmates in 2021.
He brought the 9mm pistol his parents gave him for his coming 15 years old anniversary.
He also injured 6 teenagers and his teacher.
His parents are indicted for involontary murders.
He is a white teenager from Michigan.
His teachers had been informed of their son search on pistol ammo but they didn't do nothing.

 

[nothinghere]

Just a perspective.

Israel trying to arm more citizens with guns since Hamas attack - NPR

 

[Womaniser]

Just a perspective.

Israel trying to arm more citizens with guns since Hamas attack - NPR

Israel is trying to arm his population to counter Hamas attacks.
Americans arm themselves to counter attacks by Americans.
Small difference but same effect !

 

[Womaniser]

Israel is trying to arm his population to counter Hamas attacks.
Americans arm themselves to counter attacks by Americans.
Small difference but same effect !

Big help by the Supreme Court, Bump Stocks on semi-auto assault type rifles (AR-15, AK-47) that literally transform them in Full Auto firearms were prohibited during Trump Presidency.
The SC Judges reversed the ban.
Theses Bump Stocks were used by the Mass Murdered in Las Vegas that killed 60 and injured hundreds others during a country music festival.
Based on a technicality, the trigger must be moved for each shot. However, the shooter doesn't need to pull the trigger after the first shot, the Bump Stock does the job.
There videos on Youtube that show how it works.
Combine that with high capacity magazines and you have a weapon that should never be in the hands of Civilians.

 

[tiannas]

Big help by the Supreme Court, Bump Stocks on semi-auto assault type rifles (AR-15, AK-47) that literally transform them in Full Auto firearms were prohibited during Trump Presidency.
The SC Judges reversed the ban.
Theses Bump Stocks were used by the Mass Murdered in Las Vegas that killed 60 and injured hundreds others during a country music festival.
Based on a technicality, the trigger must be moved for each shot. However, the shooter doesn't need to pull the trigger after the first shot, the Bump Stock does the job.
There videos on Youtube that show how it works.
Combine that with high capacity magazines and you have a weapon that should never be in the hands of Civilians.

Laws are ineffective against those who break them and enacting legal bans only hurt law-abiding citizens.

It’s not a coincidence that most mass shooters choose locations that have been designated as gun-free zones.

What exactly is “high” capacity? And if I am not a criminal why should it matter how many rounds my magazines hold? Maybe I need those extra shots to defend myself against multiple attackers. If I'm being attacked my assailant(s) likely planned their actions and have plenty of ammunition on hand.

In any case, putting restrictions on the responsible gun owner is not a viable solution.
I’m presently living in a city where you may find yourself on hold when calling 911, where the police recommend that you are prepared to defend yourself because they can’t respond quickly, you cannot impose a bunch of laws that will only be respected by the good guys. It would be all lovely and utopian if by declaring a law everyone would magically follow same but we all know this is not reality.

 

[Womaniser]

Laws are ineffective against those who break them and enacting legal bans only hurt law-abiding citizens.

It’s not a coincidence that most mass shooters choose locations that have been designated as gun-free zones.

What exactly is “high” capacity? And if I am not a criminal why should it matter how many rounds my magazines hold? Maybe I need those extra shots to defend myself against multiple attackers. If I'm being attacked my assailant(s) likely planned their actions and have plenty of ammunition on hand.

In any case, putting restrictions on the responsible gun owner is not a viable solution.
I’m presently living in a city where you may find yourself on hold when calling 911, where the police recommend that you are prepared to defend yourself because they can’t respond quickly, you cannot impose a bunch of laws that will only be respected by the good guys. It would be all lovely and utopian if by declaring a law everyone would magically follow same but we all know this is not reality.

I mostly agree with you. I am a sport shooter and hunted most of my life small game, varmint and big game.
My government put almost extreme restrictions on the rights of law abiding citizens because he believes that criminals will respect them.
You may know where I live.
there is however a proven fact it is that there is infinetely more deaths and injuries by firearms in countries with the lowest restrictions on types of firearms, magazines capacity.
The best examples are our South neighbours, Usa and Mexico.
When did you hear of my shooting in schools in Canada ? Firearms don't kill by themselves, crazy peoples use them.