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What has happenned to the Massage Scene?

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Guys, I've been in the massage hobby for over10 years now, and there used to be so much good stuff going on before.

WTF happened lately? is it C-36 ?

I mean, I read the posts here in the massage section and there is a lot of comments on bad services, bait and switch, greed...., etc.

Before, you could get very good massage with very nice looking girls and get a very nice ending, and all at a very reasonable cost.

And I remember reading very good stories here on Merb ( I wrote some too, under another Handle at the time ) and yet I don't feel like I see this as much today?

What's wrong?
 

CLOUD 500

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I suspect it is C-36 and the citys general move to social conservatism. The city has been campaigning anti-prostitution all year. I noticed the same deal at stripclubs. C-36 also gives a lot of power to the women as to extort and give bad service to clients. Clients are in reality the victims here. Thanks to those so called feminists.
 

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I think that the reviews may have diminished but there will always be bad service and bait and switch. Stick to the trusted places as the people that go see escorts do and you'll be very pleased. I think what has changed the most in the massage scene is the open mindedness of the masseuses has increased dramatically as opposed to 10 years ago.
 

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The problem is that massage parlors over the years have slowly become no more than a facade for sexual 'options'. As a result, in most erotic massage places the masseuses are paid in tips only for the options they provide. They aren't paid for the massage that clients (rightly)still do expect to receive.

The average hobbyist whether or not he is aware of this fact, still expects (just from reading the reviews in the massage section) to receive a good massage, nudity and at the very least a manual release for no more than around $40 extra. He pays anywhere between $50 to $60 to the massage parlor owner, none of which actually goes to the masseuses, then wants to negotiate and bargain with the MP who is getting paid on tips only. He wants a near-therapeutic massage, nudity and release and will usually try whatever he can get away with for as little as possible.
 

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Another thing that is crucial is the lagging economy. Since the past 20 years salaries of the working class as been on a steady decline. Prices keep on rising but salaries are stagnant. Right-wing conservative politicians favoring the rich. Ultimately it means less discretionary income and the first thing to be cut are non essential things. Also the worse the economy gets the more sex workers we see. Is it any wonder the scene became like this? I heard MP has been quiet. There is also a lot more options available. Myself this is the only aspect of the sex industry that I have not been interested in. I tried it once and it like going to an operating room to get operated on. Plus when you factor in how much it costs to get some fun it can easily go up to $200. With all these Merb agencies now offering beautiful young slim escorts and it is costing roughly the same price and one will get DFK and DATY I think I will skip MP. My two cents.

Carmen22 you pretty much nailed it but this goes hand in hand with the lagging economy. Everyone is looking for cheap deals since their salaries are so small relative to the cost of living. No one has got money to waste anymore.
 

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Another thing that is crucial is the lagging economy. Since the past 20 years salaries of the working class as been on a steady decline. Prices keep on rising but salaries are stagnant. Right-wing conservative politicians favoring the rich....

:D:D:D

Please name the "right wing conservative politicians" that have ruled Montreal and the province of Quebec since 1970. The city and the province have been governed for the last 50 years by left-wing politicians from the PQ and Liberal parties.

The problems of Montreal and Quebec are due to left wing governments and an environment of extremely high taxes, bloated government, over-regulation, corrupt and complacent politicians and the lack of a viable conservative opposition. If you want an example of the typical ineptitude of the left-wing Quebec government, just review the story of the 300 motorists left stranded for 12 hours on the A13 during the recent blizzard. :rolleyes:

But C500 if it makes you feel better, you keep blaming those mythical "right-wing conservatives" for the problems of Quebec and Montreal.
 

CLOUD 500

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:D:D:D

Please name the "right wing conservative politicians" that have ruled Montreal and the province of Quebec since 1970. The city and the province have been governed for the last 50 years by left-wing politicians from the PQ and Liberal parties.

The problems of Montreal and Quebec are due to left wing governments and an environment of extremely high taxes, bloated government, over-regulation, corrupt and complacent politicians and the lack of a viable conservative opposition. If you want an example of the typical ineptitude of the left-wing Quebec government, just review the story of the 300 motorists left stranded for 12 hours on the A13 during the recent blizzard. :rolleyes:

But C500 if it makes you feel better, you keep blaming those mythical "right-wing conservatives" for the problems of Quebec and Montreal.

So Mr.Stephen Harper is a left-wing liberal?? Looool :lol:

Harper was a right-wing conservative who wanted to impart social conservative ideas... He was the prime minister that made history in Canadian prostitution by making it illegal for the first time in Canadian history. Left-wing governments by the way see prostitution as any other job. Most of the lobbying is by the right. Funny how things are so strict in Western Canada which is also a conservative stronghold. The evidence is all there. I think you just hate socialism so do not want to put any blame on right-wing politics. As for your paragraph about problems in Montreal there is no relevance there... No idea why you even bothered to write that. And one last thing the party that Quebec is under is a centre-right party. It is anything but left-wing. Before you write stuff why not educate yourself on politics. You seem to push the same nonsense the conservatives do anyone that is liberal is an automatic socialist. Had Quebec had an actual true left-wing party it would be in a much better position then it is today. Also Quebec has the lowest prices for sexual services. If it is so bad you can go to Alberta and book escorts who charge over $300/hr, the girls are not half as nice as the ones in Montreal and most will not even do BBBJ. You should thank that centre-wing politics has created social progressive values instead of morons like Harper who wanted to enforce church and traditional family values.
 

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So Mr.Stephen Harper is a left-wing liberal?? Looool :lol:

Harper was a right-wing conservative who wanted to impart social conservative ideas... He was the prime minister that made history in Canadian prostitution by making it illegal for the first time in Canadian history. Left-wing governments by the way see prostitution as any other job. Most of the lobbying is by the right. Funny how things are so strict in Western Canada which is also a conservative stronghold. The evidence is all there.

The west is no longer a Conservative stronghold, and the Vancouver escort/massage industry is the most liberal in all of Canada thanks to the VPD's publicly stated policy of leaving sex workers and their clients alone unless it involves trafficked/underage workers or other serious crimes.
 

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Dont know what it was like 10 years ago but today the scene to me is as follows: few, very few MPs are capable of delivering a decent massage, let alone a professional one. Truth is thats not really whats on offer it would appear. Actually even legit therapeutic massage features a pretty wide range of service. The legit bizz also seems to attract its fair share of frauds and incompetents but I guess everybody needs a job. In my experience there are a few MP service providers who give a decent massage and the rare gem who has real training and gives you something that approximates the professional deal, tho perhaps not at the highest level.
On the other hand if eroticism is what you are after there are enuf very accomplished MP providers that if you work at it a bit and especially if you are ok with regulars and repeat encounters you really can be fully satisfied. The point has been made that the price will not be too far off agency rates but prebooking and changing venues does not work for everyone's scheduling.
 

CLOUD 500

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The west is no longer a Conservative stronghold, and the Vancouver escort/massage industry is the most liberal in all of Canada thanks to the VPD's publicly stated policy of leaving sex workers and their clients alone unless it involves trafficked/underage workers or other serious crimes.

I meant the prairie provinces. Vancouver has moved more to the left. But your statement you made is a left-wing platform and no right-wing conservative would ever support that since they want to enforce church values and social conservatism. Sex only with your husband/wife is their moto something that Captain Renault does not get. Feminists can be reasoned with but backwards conservatives cannot. But thanks for confirming what I wrote.
 

CaptRenault

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I think you just hate socialism...

One thing you are right about. :thumb:

...Feminists can be reasoned with...

Feminists?! Are you crazy? It's hard enough to reason with any woman, let alone a feminist. :lol: :lol: :lol:

You certainly can't reason with most mainstream feminists about prostitution. They are adamantly opposed to it as I have pointed out in other threads. The fact that some escorts call themselves feminists is insignificant to mainstream feminists.

...the party that Quebec is under is a centre-right party. It is anything but left-wing...

The Liberal party of Quebec and Canada is to the left of the Democratic party in the U.S. I guess from the perspective of a die-hard socialist you could call it "centre right."

I have condemned Harper and the Conservatives for passing C-36. It's a terrible law. But Harper and the Conservatives have been out of power for about 500 days now. PM Trudeau and the Liberals have total control of the government and could easily overturn the law. Yet they have not done so and they never even talk about it. I don't think the law will ever be overturned unless the Supreme Court overturns it. Who knows what would replace it.
 

bushleague

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Ah! I was expecting this thread in February, I was beginning to worry. It's the annual "business is slow" thread! Every year we have one! :whoo:

Seriously, though, it's the slow season. After Christmas and before spring, business is slow everywhere. The post-Christmas credit card bills, the winter that never ends, the inflated Hydro bill, the cold, tax season, etc.

Personally, I never bought the C-36 argument. Since 2014, I noticed very little difference in the local massage scene. Our fraudsters in command, the Denis Coderre / Anie Samson pieces of shit tag team, went into office in 2013 saying they would close the massage parlors - something that very few people, if any, had asked for - and quietly abandoned the idea less than a year later when a moral panic failed to form. I don't really see where and how C-36 was enforced. There seems to be little interest, in Montreal and elsewhere, to enforce it. Law enforcement has other stuff to do, what will all those Black guys doing jigs in the street.

Sure, some parlors have closed. But some opened too, and some have moved. I don't have the numbers, but the landscape seems just the same to me: almost anywhere you look, you can find a massage parlor in this city. It's business as usual for me, and it seems to be business as usual too for the MPs I've seen.

Granted, I've been hobbying for about 7 years. I don't consider myself an old timer. Most people who have been doing something for 20 or 30 years seem to think it was better "in the good old days". That's how our brains work, apparently. Music was better back then, the scene was better back then, etc. I don't know objectively. All I know, is I think the scene has been better for me lately because I'm smarter and more experienced and I make less mistakes. There was plenty of shitty providers 7 years ago, and there are still many of them today. The time frame is too short maybe, I fail to see much of a difference.

And I remember reading very good stories here on Merb and yet I don't feel like I see this as much today? What's wrong?

Maybe it's not so much the state of the industry but the state of the board?
Is the board really a good barometer for the state of the industry?

I can't speak for others, but I am more willing to share publicly my so-so encounters than my good ones.
First, people are very careful with their reviews in the massage section. Because of the rules (and don't get me wrong here, this is not me starting an argument for or against those rules) we can't be explicit, and I think a consequence of that is that we keep the good encounters for ourselves - or share them in private with trusted members - but still feel the need to contribute and warn others of bad encounters.

Seriously, when we see guys who have been lurking for 4 years with a post count of 6, all questions and no reviews, do you really want to share your new gem with everyone? Do you?

After a few years on the board, chances are you have a few contacts you're exchanging tips with in private. Us posting less doesn't necessarily mean we hobby less or that our ratio of good/bad encounters changed.

There is also a lot more options available.

Yes. And it's easy for anyone to post an ad on Backpage. The inexperienced and good intentioned, the part-time sex worker, the washed-up one, the con artist, the pimp. It seems easy, because it is. The more people in the business who are not necessarily skilled, the more it raises the risk of a bad experience. As much as I appreciate the fact that women can more easily do this work "independently" and have control over their business, a consequence of the Internet era is that we're flooded with dubious ads from terrible providers.

And you have a very good point here:

Plus when you factor in how much it costs to get some fun it can easily go up to $200. With all these Merb agencies now offering beautiful young slim escorts and it is costing roughly the same price and one will get DFK and DATY I think I will skip MP.

Depends of what you want on any given days, but MPs are often not the cheapest option.

It's easy to imagine our fellow hobbyists as high-rollers, but the reality is probably that most of us are neither rich nor poor and, yes, as you pointed out, with salaries stagnating since I've hit the job market, you don't want to overpay, at least not consistently. And if you want more than just a rub and tug, SPs are best for your wallet.

PM Trudeau and the Liberals have total control of the government and could easily overturn the law. Yet they have not done so and they never even talk about it. I don't think the law will ever be overturned unless the Supreme Court overturns it. Who knows what would replace it.

For some right-wing politicians (Peter MacKay, gentleman and protector of woman) and morally corrupt populist politicians (Denis "I'm afraid of your dog" Coderre), going after prostitution is a good way to fuel a moral panic, appeal to emotions, to the "think of the children" and "not in my backyard" crowd, and get votes. But defending prostitution or even just starting a debate about possible legalization or decriminalization is a can of worms that even center-left politicians prefer not to open because of the risk - real or perceived - of alienating some people for very little benefit. At this point in time, in a city like Montreal inhabited by people of all ages, I think people would be open to legal prostitution more than some politicians think - the same way there is not a moral panic right now about legalizing weed. But status quo is safer, especially since federal politicians have to appeal to all kinds of non-urban people who think Mtl and T.O. are hubs are debauchery. Even if the Liberals or Trudeau himself would be for legalizing sex work entirely, they won't open the can of worms. I 100% agree with you: we will have to wait a couple of years for the Supreme Court to force the government to take a stance - the same way Harper and the Conservatives didn't utter a word about this for 8 years, but had to react when the Supreme Court left them no other choice. Hopefully, by the time it happens again, we have in office politicians who are progressive on this issue.
 

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Ah! I was expecting this thread in February, I was beginning to worry. It's the annual "business is slow" thread! Every year we have one! :whoo:

...Most people who have been doing something for 20 or 30 years seem to think it was better "in the good old days". That's how our brains work, apparently. Music was better back then, the scene was better back then, etc...

BL, excellent post. :thumb:

As someone who has been around the Montreal scene for a while, I generally agree with your observations. Despite the words and actions of prostitution abolitionists (who include politicians from both the right and the left), I think the Montreal scene is as good as ever.

And stay right here, 'cause these are the good old days.

Enjoy them.
 

Marlin Perkins

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I think since C-36 people have been careful. There are less clients and less providers. How many places have closed up since C-36? Have you noticed that there are many salons that do not advertise, yet they still exist? Are they afraid that placing will get them in trouble. I remember when c-36 was first implemented. The newspapers like the J de Montreal stopped advertising adult services. Going back 15-20 years there use to be over 100 ads each day in the JdM for escort and massage. This was also a time when there was no shortage of clients.
 

bushleague

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The newspapers like the J de Montreal stopped advertising adult services. Going back 15-20 years there use to be over 100 ads each day in the JdM for escort and massage.

The advertising is newspapers, for adult services or otherwise, is also pretty much dead at this point. Advertising in Backpage, Craigslist and Kijiji is free.
 

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I could be wrong, but as far as I know, there has been no storm troopers raiding any salon. It was a risk before and is still a risk, but I don't think it's a bigger risk.

That being said, you are right: private is safer in that regard. But private can also mean going to private apartments in run down buildings where people you don't know with bad intentions can be waiting for you. There are tons of ads out there I wouldn't trust over a salon that's been there for years.
 

CLOUD 500

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The best option is to stick with the well reviewed agencies on Merb... I would stay away from backpage and the like... 97% of ads all got fake pictures... Imagine what the service would be like... Plus Bill C-36 made it so much easier for escorts and pimps to extort money from clients.
 

CLOUD 500

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Since c-36 I have been afraid to go to salons, private is safer. What if some storm troopers come calling while you were in the salon?

You are right... This is called selective enforcement... The laws are there but enforcement is done by the municipalities... Even tity bars are at risk... They rules contact dances are prostitution and Coderre made an example out of two bars and shut them down... Same deal for MPs... At any time they could be raided... Question is when and if.
 

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I am not 100% sure but I was told that municipal bylaws concerning massage salons are the responsibility of the MTL Police. So it will not be inspectors busting in, it might be the cops. I know even SAQ regulations are enforced by the cops in bars. This jub was previously done by inspectors.
 
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