When will SP rates fall like the loonie and barrel of oil?

[gugu]

Also, I believe the price elasticty of demand for escorts is fairly inelastic. Unless there's really a sudden big price raise, avid hobbiers will keep hobbying. Everyone needs their "fix".

If demand was inelastic the prices would certainly increase in Montreal.

With the exception of a fairly small high end sector that compares a bit to a Veblen good, I'd say that the commercial sex is pretty close to a perfect competition market with lots of producers and buyers (no one can dictate the prices), no barriers to entry and exit and quite good information, thanks to sites like this one. We are far from homogenous services however, so from an economical point of view, we have more then one market, some being substitutes for the others. For some hobbyist, mp's are substitutes for sp's. Lower prices in Montréal, compared to Toronto, and Vancouver are the result of higher budget constraints, lower incomes of the local population.

 

[Clemieux66]

I'll never pay a independent more then 250$. Anything more is just greed. Especially when you compare them to agency girls like Nayda.

 

[Gabriella Laurence]

Maybe I'm wrong here(I'm pretty sure I'm not though) but many escorts claim this business on their taxes. I've been told of there being a legitimate way to file it as well, since surprise surprise! prostitution in itself isn't technically illegal.
I'm still new to this business, so I haven't filed my taxes yet for it, but I'm certainly getting an accountant and filing my taxes this year and including this business in it. Also, from what I've been told, we can also claim our "business expenses" such as clothing, apartment or hotel rentals, etc. on our taxes as well.

Now if I'm wrong, correct me here. Perhaps a lady who has actually done this before can say for sure, but that's what I've been told from others and have been advised to do.

You are absolutely correct:

- Prostitution has never been illegal in Canada. Some provisions surrounding it made parts of it an offense but it was never illegal to begin with, that was until C-36 where only the purchase part of it is illegal but not the selling part.

- Many of us declare our income and with the help of an experienced accountant, you will have no issues doing your taxes and also deduct your business expenses such as flights, hotels, gas, advertising, and so on (just like any other business would).

Good luck!

 

[BookerL]

Hello all
Hello Gabriella

You are absolutely correct:

- Prostitution has never been illegal in Canada. Some provisions surrounding it made parts of it an offense but it was never illegal to begin with, that was until C-36 where only the purchase part of it is illegal but not the selling part.!

Lets sat for the purpose of the explanation ,prostitution revenues are legitimite but coming from a illegal sources!
A self employed contractor is also responsible to collect GST/PST/HST ,companionship services is a taxable service ,are you implying that SP 's as self employed person have their tax number issued?
This is completely different then yearly imcome tax assessment

- Many of us declare our income and with the help of an experienced accountant, you will have no issues doing your taxes and also deduct your business expenses such as flights, hotels, gas, advertising, and so on (just like any other business would).

Good luck!

This is true until a audit comes in ,and thorough verification is made.
However CRA and is Quebec counterpart has a tendency to be more aggressive with people that has large equity ,it gives them something to seize if they find discrepancy


Good Luck



Cheers




Booker

 

[Gabriella Laurence]

Hello all
Hello Gabriella

Lets sat for the purpose of the explanation ,prostitution revenues are legitimite but coming from a illegal sources!
A self employed contractor is also responsible to collect GST/PST/HST ,companionship services is a taxable service ,are you implying that SP 's as self employed person have their tax number issued?
This is completely different then yearly imcome tax assessment

This is true until a audit comes in ,and thorough verification is made.
However CRA and is Quebec counterpart has a tendency to be more aggressive with people that has large equity ,it gives them something to seize if they find discrepancy

Booker,

Contrary to popular belief, all I am saying is that some of us DO declare our income and pay taxes on it. The CRA has a full list of industry codes available here and it's not uncommon for people involved in this industry to file under:

- Entertainment and recreation:
Other personal services (including Online psychic, escorts, dating, party planning, personal shopping) - 812900
Other amusement and recreation industries - 713900
Independent artists, writers and performers - 711500

- Education, health or social services:
All other schools and instruction (including tutors) - 611690

- Personal or household services
Services for the elderly and persons with disabilities - 624120
(I personally know one lady who only caters to people with disabilities and that's what she puts on her declaration- has been doing so for about 15 years or so).

I might not know all the proper terminology that comes along with doing taxes, declaring income, etc. but I know an experienced accountant can advise wisely with everything that has to be done and how and why... I also don't mind paying a large sum for expert advise especially that I work full-time outside of this industry and being a companion is a part-time adventure for me. Overall, paying someone to do my taxes is worth every penny since it saves me tons of headaches in the long run.

For ladies looking to an "SP friendly" accountant and don't know where to start, Stella (Montreal) and SPOC can guide you in the right direction.


EDIT:

Not sure why you're offended. I meant no direspect with my posts. If you read again, I said I'm "guessing", I did not say it was a fact. However, with prostitution being illegal, I doubt any escorts actually report their income. Some may find ways around it to "launder" the money I'm sure, but it's a fact that you will not report income on money earned illegally.

I'm not offended by your post; just annoyed at the false assumptions being made, especially when these assumptions are directly affected by a lack of knowledge or understanding of the law.

 

[BookerL]

I'm with Clemieux66. 700 for 2 hours is absolute crazy for Montreal. Hell it's stupid anywhere, but especially in Montreal, for anyone that's not a fucking model. If an SP can find those suckers, good for her. To each their own. But I would seriously question what's between the ears of those hobbyists.

Hello wolfie

If I get this when you are richer you are dumber ?:lol:
I have seen many HDH in Montreal even for night stand and duos !Ayoye



Cheers



Booker

 

[mauricevachon]

I speak only for myself then, I'm elastic. The 20 makes a difference to me - over multiple hours and multiple dates for a trip, it's not a number to sneeze at.

From one elastic guy to another....

I have pretty much been forced to cut out visits to agencies that increased prices to $200...especially those whose service is merely standard.

I am thinking about MTL GFE, Asservissante and Angel Escorts, all of which I used to visit regularly but don't anymore unless they have a real star.

These days I go to MPs, and Good Girls and Nadya's which are are incalls so spending $200 there is easier to take. Also MSC and Satin Dreams have kept rates normal.

I apologize in advance if what I'm about to say offends anyone but it needs to be said: "real spenders", as you put it, don't quiver over a $20 dollar difference.

You may have a point. But a lot of us hobbyists are just regular guys. I am a furnace repairman and my salary hasn't gone up in five years.

Frankly I don't know where you girls are finding your clients at those rates.

 

[BookerL]

Hi Gabriella

In my last post I had already addressed the income tax assessment .
I certainly appreciate all the effort you put in to stay "legal"

Booker,

Contrary to popular belief, all I am saying is that some of us DO declare our income and pay taxes on it. The CRA has a full list of industry codes available here and it's not uncommon for people involved in this industry to file under:

- Entertainment and recreation:
Other personal services (including Online psychic, escorts, dating, party planning, personal shopping) - 812900
Other amusement and recreation industries - 713900
Independent artists, writers and performers - 711500

- Education, health or social services:
All other schools and instruction (including tutors) - 611690

- Personal or household services
Services for the elderly and persons with disabilities - 624120
(I personally know one lady who only caters to people with disabilities and that's what she puts on her declaration- has been doing so for about 15 years or so).

I might not know all the proper terminology that comes along with doing taxes, declaring income, etc. but I know an experienced accountant can advise wisely with everything that has to be done and how and why... I also don't mind paying a large sum for expert advise especially that I work full-time outside of this industry and being a companion is a part-time adventure for me. Overall, paying someone to do my taxes is worth every penny since it saves me tons of headaches in the long run.

For ladies looking to an "SP friendly" accountant and don't know where to start, Stella (Montreal) and SPOC can guide you in the right direction.

Ladies like you that has a day time job and are escorting only part time and making $30,000 or less of escorting revenues will not have the same issues has the ones who makes above it and/or do not have a regular job .
When you reach the breaking point where law changes and attitude of CRA changes towards revenues ,that is when in becomes more and more complicated .

EDIT:

I'm not offended by your post; just annoyed at the false assumptions being made, especially when these assumptions are directly affected by a lack of knowledge or understanding of the law.

Its is exactly the lack of knowledge that will create the problem for high earners in the escort world !
Good luck all


Cheers




Booker

 

[wolfie7]

If I get this when you are richer you are dumber ?:lol:
I have seen many HDH in Montreal even for night stand and duos !Ayoye

Booker, you know what I meant. And I certainly meant no offense to you.

To me, it blows my mind that anyone would spend 350 an hour on older, less attractive SPs when a rockstar like Chloe at GG is available at 200. And maybe not at the level of a Chloe, there are, and will always be, other attractive options at LDL rates. I guess if you derive that much utility from that specific SP, the it would make sense. It just makes no sense to me. If I'm looking for that intimate a connection, I might as well get a girlfriend, more expensive than 200 when you average out, but still not as crazy as 350.

On second though Booker, maybe people do get dumber when they get richer!! Buddy, when you can spend without conscience, you stop making rational decisions. And who cares if you are stupid?!? You're fucking rich!!!

 

[wolfie7]

I have no frustration. I'm just bemused by it all, and confused by the hobbyists who have such a different value system from what I, emphasis on I, think is rational.

You're right Tina - there is no frustration, to each their own. You're not my type, but, good for you, you are someone's type. I'm just trying to understand the motivation. That's the fun of these threads, right?

Oh, and to the degree looks and services drive how I feel during and about the encounter, they absolutely are connected to the rate. On that point, my dear, I will have to politely disagree.

 

[Sol Tee Nutz]

It might be wishful thinking but if gas can be under a dollar then SPs rates can be back to $160.

There are good Sp's available for $140 and good SP's for $200 and good SP's for $300+

It all depends on what you are looking for.
To think prices may get lower is well.......... not gonna happen.

For the argument about escorts being tax free...... no, they need to show income for credit. Do they report all their income, I doubt it...... And that is just my thought. My old ex was a bartender in a popular club in Calgary and she was pulling in $600 a good night in tips and skimming and claimed 20% of her wage as tips so it is easy when you have no receipts.

 

[Daniyo]

The loonie has been free falling and closed at below 80 cents.

Oil prices have been tumbling.

But SP rates seem to be holding steady at about $200 along with delivery fee extras to offset the "high" price of gas.

It might be wishful thinking but if gas can be under a dollar then SPs rates can be back to $160.

This industry can't be that bullet proof to how the economy is going.

The correlation I see with the oil going down is that, agencies will keep their prices, but provide service for a larger area. I've seen ads for gentlemen choice, a yellow page advertiser type in Lanaudiere, which would have been impossible a decade ago (GPS, gas price, etc)

So, I'm quite happy to have access to high end escorts in the comfort of my dirtay appartement up in the north lol. :amen:

 

[BookerL]

On second though Booker, maybe people do get dumber when they get richer!! Buddy, when you can spend without conscience, you stop making rational decisions. And who cares if you are stupid?!? You're fucking rich!!!

Ummmmmm !At what stage of richness do you become a super idiot ?:lol:

Have a great one Wolfie !


cheers


Booker

 

[blkone]

Escorts are people ... not manufactured products.

Rent, food, hydro, those have not come down at all.

Shame on both the liberals and conservatives for allowing international interests to treat Canada as one of their colonies. From food, to electricity to oil with the pipelines, we just give away our resources.

Canada needs a renewed Nationalism and a stronger military to uphold it. We only have 65,000 infantry ... no wonder we're pushed around at the deal table.

 

[wolfie7]

Escorts are people ... not manufactured products.

Shame on both the liberals and conservatives for allowing international interests to treat Canada as one of their colonies. From food, to electricity to oil with the pipelines, we just give away our resources.

Canada needs a renewed Nationalism and a stronger military to uphold it. We only have 65,000 infantry ... no wonder we're pushed around at the deal table.

This is cute.

 

[wolfie7]

Ummmmmm !At what stage of richness do you become a super idiot ?:lol:

Booker, my friend, I would love to be the biggest, most stupid idiot of 'em all!! :lol:

 

[blkone]

This is cute.

More Canadian citizens going to food banks is not cute. Selling our electricity for nothing is not cute. Building a pipeline that gives us very little in return is not cute.

We do need a stronger military.

 

[BookerL]

Booker, my friend, I would love to be the biggest, most stupid idiot of 'em all!! :lol:

So escorts $500 per hours would feel like pocket change !:thumb:
And $1,000 a hour your regulars ,I would start booking again just for you :lol:


Cheers



Booker

 

[Lily from Montreal]

Technically it is not ''giving''...

 

[PopeDover]

I'm just bemused by it all, and confused by the hobbyists who have such a different value system from what I, emphasis on I, think is rational.

Until I went to an industry party, there was no way I could get a full appreciation of the wide diversity of people involved. Though I found this to be surprisingly reassuring, I barely have enough brainpower to reconcile my own lechery and budget, let alone understand what's going on with other people. Take BookerL for instance, a gentleman who after meeting I think I can safely say is one and a half of a kind. Although there is overlap in our appreciation of certain ladies, we are obviously very different in tactics regardless of the monetary issue. I don't even try to understand what drives his decisions because I probably can't, and he's a guy that's more open than most regarding his escapades. I do know though that I indirectly benefit from his participation in various immeasurable ways, even if on the surface it seems like he may be driving up the price of a particular SP on my TDL.

So what about all these guys that respectfully keep the most deviant details private? How big a majority is this? At this point, it's fairly clear to me that there is a lot going on that is hidden; it's like all the sex going on is an iceberg and what's posted on MERB is only what's above the surface. This belief is based on private conversations with other guys as well as many of my own experiences and talks with popular SP's over the past few years. I say respectfully keep details private because even though it would make for juicy reading, some of these niceties wouldn't even be possible in the first place if it was public info. So maybe some clients are paying a premium for a much desired variation that is not readily available nor publicized? Yes, and this does not imply all HDH's fit this bill, but likely the successful ones.

More than once, after being surprised by some spur of the moment kink during a session I would joke "should I post that in a MERB review of you?" and would get a concerned look and response like "are you a @#$%ing moron?" and it makes sense given the YMMV reality of things (where I'm assuming on average I'm somewhere in the middle of the bell curve). I saw one very thoughtful and popular SP who asked me to try to only book her as last client of shift because what she wanted me to do to her would leave her less than presentable for next guy. There was another well known lady who told me she usually carries a strap on with her but it broke due to overuse and not from duos, and that she just wanted more straight sex than she was getting from her clients. Another sweetie once showed me a few pictures(no faces) of an orgy she had with a bunch of working girls and a few lucky guys. Does anyone really need to comprehend or even be aware of what anyone else is doing and why they do it, and more to the point of why they value these unique experiences over a certain number of loonies?

So bottom line I think confusion comes from trying to understand something that only the market itself needs to know to function. Yes, the market has an intelligence greater than any of us, thankfully, and to our collective benefit. Maybe best to just keep feeding it while selfishly doing what's best for you and let it be. That's probably a good reason why it's developed to be awesome in the first place.