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Thread: On the Economics of Hobbying

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    Exclamation On the Economics of Hobbying

    I decided to start a thread that discusses the economics of hobbying. In particular, I wanted to discuss the economic forces that support this business.

    The way I see it, the law of supply and demand still dictates the rates that agencies and indies charge. But what we do not understand is how these forces interact to change the rates throughout time.

    From the looks of things, we are heading into a mild to moderate recession in the U.S. and subsequently Canada. Interest rates have risen a lot from historically low levels and it's starting to impact the housing and condo market. It will also impact home equity withdrawals and consumption, which will be negative for the whole economy.

    Now, what would you expect in this type of environment? You would expect the supply of SPs to increase and the demand for SPs to decrease. That's what the economics textbooks tell you.

    But it isn't that simple. Some hobbyists are richer than others and they'll continue paying HDH rates no matter what. But if LDL ladies offer similar or even better service at lower rates, then why bother with HDH?

    I only bring this up because the McMansion market (houses over $1 million) in the U.S. is dying quickly but lower priced houses are still selling well. I also think that HDH agencies are charging outrageous sums for what they're actually offering.

    For me, I get very weary of paying more than $400 for a 2 hour encounter, especially when it's an indy that takes it all. Think about it for a second: does a neurosurgeon make $200 an hour clear in Quebec? Maybe but I doubt it.

    As much as I love being with someone, my threshold is $500 for a 2 hour encounter and I have even asked myself if that is worth it too.

    The winds of fortune are shifting and I believe we are going to get a lot more supply and a lot less demand for SPs. In this type of environment, it's hard to see rates going up and the high end agencies and indies will need to rely on their regular clients to survive.

    GG
    Last edited by General Gonad; 08-07-2006 at 10:58 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JackBauer2
    Who provides the best deal in proportion to quality/pricing and options...?

    This could be separate in four sections: Massage, Incall, outcall and Strip club
    Whatdo you think?
    JackBauer2
    Best deals:

    Massage: Kim of Centre Kama is one the most beautiful women I've met and she provided an excellent Thai massage. I also think Maylee, the indy, is one of the best masseuses for quality/rates but she isn't drop-dead gorgeous (but still very sexy). I heard great things of Borissa but I have not met her.

    Incall: With rare exceptions, they are to be avoided in Montreal. The Luv sisters offer an incall at a nice hotel once in a while but I find their rates expensive for a safe service ($300/ hour for safe GFE).

    Outcall: Celine's, Eleganza, Devilish, Candy's and Xxxtase are among the best along with Asservissante and Satin Dreams. I still think that Michelle of Celine's is the best value for your money. $320 for two hours with this beautiful and mature lady is a steal for the price/quality that you're getting.

    As far as indies, I believe that Miss Samantha's rate ($400/2 hours) is also fair for the exceptional service you'll get from this beauty.

    Stripclubs: No clue. I haven't been to one in a while.

    GG
    Last edited by General Gonad; 08-07-2006 at 11:30 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JackBauer2
    I think that you did not get my message correctly...Whjat i would like to build is a list that we could compare pricing and excellence of services.
    Ex: Victoria at L'Ile exotique: 120.00 for 1 hour massage+cbj+nude+daty+DFK
    This is what i call good quality pricing ratio...lolllllll
    Yes, but I do not find Victoria's body anywhere near the bodies that I've experienced at Kama, Spa Isis or Salon d'Or. Victoria is very cute and nice but not my cup of tea in terms of her body (too pear shaped for me). I have not tried Natalia yet...and I might not either.

    If we are talking real bargain hunts with real beauties, then we need to pay more than that. If you're talking dirt cheap with lots of options, then I guess Victoria would qualify.

    GG

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    Lili Love

    If you are into older MILFs, Lili Love is one of the best SPs out there and her rate ($200/hour) is very reasonable for the outstanding service she provides. You can take that to the bank.

    GG

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    Alexia at Bodylicious

    A total steal for $150/hour. I spent two hours with this brunette and I thought she was awesome. She and Michelle have a lot in common (tall, beautiful, mature brunettes that provide a great service).

    The only problem with Alexia is that she works for Jay who is a little spacy. Don't bother pre-booking. If you're lucky, you'll reach her that same day. Again, book these ladies for a minimum two hour appointment.

    GG

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    Quote Originally Posted by General Gonad
    For me, I get very weary of paying more than $400 for a 2 hour encounter, especially when it's an indy that takes it all. Think about it for a second: does a neurosurgeon make $200 an hour clear in Quebec? Maybe but I doubt it.
    GG
    Does the neurosurgeon get paid for more than a few hours a week? SPs do not get paid based on a full time job; Or even most part time jobs for that matter.

    Ronnie,
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    they will forget what you did,
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    Quote Originally Posted by naughtylady
    Does the neurosurgeon get paid for more than a few hours a week? SPs do not get paid based on a full time job; Or even most part time jobs for that matter.
    Ronnie,

    This is not my point. My point is that some independent SPs charge obscene rates per hour and I think it's crazy. But if they can repeatedly get it, good for them. I will not be part of this because I know how difficult it is to get this kind of money in the real world.

    GG

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    Quote Originally Posted by General Gonad
    Ronnie,

    This is not my point. My point is that some independent SPs charge obscene rates per hour and I think it's crazy. But if they can repeatedly get it, good for them. I will not be part of this because I know how difficult it is to get this kind of money in the real world.

    GG

    *cough* lyla karina *cough*

    To date her you can also dish up some pocket change for Gianni Campagna's Super 150s!
    Last edited by Kaempferrand; 08-08-2006 at 02:17 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaempferrand
    *cough* lyla karina *cough*

    To date her you can also dish up some pocket change for Gianni Campagna's Super 150s!
    LOL...like I said, if they can get away with it, good for them. BTW, there are others apart from Lyla that I think should lower their rates. But again, it's their time, their body and if they can get away with it, good for them.

    GG

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    Yes a neurosurgeon get paid by the job. They also have a salary from the hospital to be available for consultations, to be available on call for the emergency dept., etc.

    Moreover, show me a neurosurgeon who goes a week or more without income and I will show you one on vacation or retired!

    Ronnie,
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    They will forget what you said,
    they will forget what you did,
    but they will never forget the way you made them feel.

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    Market Forces

    There is no question that the rates described often exceed the budgets of many who wish to participate. You can argue all day about the value of the service being provided and never reach agreement. SP's will charge what the market will bear or what they are willing to live with. Market forces will always dictate healthy competition as some who are hungrier will undercut the others. So be it.

    From a perfectly selfish point of view I cannot help but believe that JB2's suggestion of a list will benefit hobbiests in a twofold fashion: First, it will serve to keep pricing competitive and give hobbiests best value for the dollar, and. second, it will allow hobbiests of various financial means a tool to quickly and effectively find those services which "fit the budget." After all this site was initiated to serve hobbiests notwithstanding the fact that sp's participate as well. I don't know what form such a list might take or the mechanism. Once upon a time the spreadsheet did all that for us but with managing it being such a cumbersome task it was abandoned. Perhaps it should have been narrower in scope.

    Sorry Ronnie but the pluses seem to outweigh the negatives on this one, at least for me. Just my two cents worth!
    Confucius say: Man who take woman into house on side of hill - not on level.

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    High gas prices that are forcing destinations might also be considered to a slowdown in the escort economy. Air fares are also skyhigh, especially for Montreal. You cant fly anywhere near Montreal without paying a premium. I can fly to New York or Boston for about $120 roundtrip...getting to Montreal runs me another $250. Used to be I could find a reasonable rate of mid $200's for Montreal...havent seen that in over a year.

    I can drive it easy enough...but once i pay for parking and gas its almost at the cost of airfare. I love Montreal...but im finding airfare to Germany only $240 bucks more than Montreal...and Germany is starting to look awfully tempting once again.

    P.S....GG, seven posts today just on this thread? Who's taking the board too seriously now?

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    $500 an hour for a call girl. No fckn way. I don't care if it has gold trim.

    You are much better off with a naively, enthousiastic 20 year old girl next door or a skilled, cooperative, pretty MILF or the LDH that show up to round out their budgets.

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    The way I see it..................

    If a recession hits, be it soft landing or hard hitting. The already established SPs and MPs will be getting repeat clients. The new MPs and SPs will have a harder time, and money will have to be spent on advertising to attract clients. It will be these new MPs and SPs that will cause put preasure on new and established MPs. This is plain economics 101.
    In hard times more is offered for less, there are many examples of this practice even in regular times. An example of this is the 2 for 1 Tuesdays at theaters, or the McSandwich of the day for $1.89

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    I am not disagreeing that some SPs charge outrageously high prices when compared to others. (I do not think my rates qualify as outrageous yet business is so slow this summer I cannot afford to lower my rates, expenses are the same or higher, yet income is lower)

    What I am saying is that by trying to force our prices down you end up with quality ladies getting out because they are not making enough money to make the trade worth while; leaving newbies and need workers (as opposed to those who have other choices) who are frequently willing to practice unsafe acts out of desperation. It has happened before...

    Ronnie,
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