Threats, insults and intimidation directed at MERB from MERC. How do we stop it?

Merlot said:

Someone made a really good point a while ago. For me this thread has gotten ridiculous. There's nothing productive or new being added for a while, including a few of my posts which will be removed tomorrow. Mods don't you think this is getting just plain stupid?

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Merlot, this isn't getting stupid, it started stupid, but it didn't start here. And as long as Tony, Ziggy the Clown and their band of miscreants are given free rein by Tom, we need this forum to respond and for that I thank the mods, who are working overtime to keep this as clean as possible. It would be nice if mod9/LeGuy/agentleman27 was actually functioning as a moderator over there, but certainly he's doing exactly what Tom tells him to do.

Yes, there's stuff in here that shouldn't be. My exchange last night with Trolland should certainly be deleted, but I also think Trolland himself has long since outlived his welcome here, though that's not my decision.

Bonjour Anna

DouceAnna said:

....Peut-ton tout dire sur les réseaux sociaux? ... De plus en plus la violence verbale est dénoncée et condamnée si ce n'est judiciairement parlant, car il est plus difficile d'évaluer les dommages étant de nature émotionnels ainsi que mentale donc invisible...

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Je suis à relire la discussion courante depuis son tout début, et parallèlement, les discussions y étant reliées sur MERC.

Tes deux contributions sont très éclairantes et utiles. Les réseaux sociaux ont besoin de modération, comme les journaux, la radio ou la télévision.

Ce que tu dis au sujet la conjecture "GFE", des services annoncés et des commentaires des usagers sur les services reçus (qu'ils aient été annoncés au préalable ou non) est matière à réflexion. Je serais plus que prêt à participer à une discussion avec toi et d'autres à ce sujet afin d'arriver à une solution qui aidera les adeptes à faire des décisions informées, et aux filles de rencontrer plus de clients, les bons clients.

Je voulais te signaler que le simple fait d'avoir fait ta (très bonne) contribution sur le filon " Stop rape now!!!!i" envoie un message de soutien à Ziggy (Dissection Tool).

Je ne m'étendrai pas de long en large sur lui . Disons simplement que ses propres commentaires de rencontres avec les filles sont farcis d'acronymes à souhait, et que la raison pour laquelle il a démarré cette discussion n'en en qu'une de règlement de compte avec un autre adepte.

Ce qui revient à ton premier commentaire, fait ici: les forums et réseaux sociaux sont hors contrôle. Pour le moment, la seule solution revient aux participants: savoir limiter sa participation aux forums où les modérateurs veillent au grain et au respect de toutes et tous .

Bonne journée Anna, et j'espère pouvoir amorcer cette discussion avec toi dès que le conflit en cours sera résolu.

Ziggy: Dzzzzzt

Dissection Tool @MERC a.k.a. Ziggy Montana said:

Le phénomène d`escalade des services offerts est un sujet que j`ai abordé sous divers angles depuis 2005. (Translation: The esclalation of services is a topic I have been debating at length since 2005)

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Dissection Tool @MERC a.k.a. Ziggy Montana said:

p.s. OMG I`m having these images of myself as a much younger man with Geneviève D. (DFK, CIM, MPOS), Chantal «la bombe» (DFK, CIM, MPOS), Marie-Chantal (LFK, , MPOS)... Have I been doing this for 25 years???

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I guess you HAVE been debating it indeed .

Let me congratulate you, Sapman, for your dissection of Tom's tool, though honestly stripping the veneer off ZTC's cut-rate Elmer Gantry charade couldn't have proven too much of a challenge. There are some questions that remain: just when did Ziggy the Clown find Jebus and where?; perhaps shady Tom's Bait and Switch Revival Church. Does ZTC have a bit of the action in one or more of the bait and switch agencies that seem to be proliferating on merc? Does he have a future as one of Tom's paid shills? And one more.

Wimpy said:

I'll gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today.

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Ziggy the Clown said:

I'll gladly pay you Tuesday for a blowjob today.

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Yes, one more question. Considering that the suddenly repentant Ziggy the Clown is railing to the point of froth against the services he's gladly (sometimes) paid for for years, why isn't he railing against hobbyist* trying to get services performed for an IOU.

*note the use of the singular here, as we've only one recorded instance a a hobbyist trying to buy service with script: the one, the only, Ziggy the Clown

I've been having some fun in here the last few days making a mockery of some of the bizarre ramblings of Ziggy the Clown over on merc. And, in point of fact, I really can do nothing but laugh when I think of the froth coming out of the side of his mouth as he pounds the keyboard in a rage.

But the truth of the matter is that the terrorism he's throwing at the girls is far from funny, both on the board and in the real world. The fact that Ziggy chooses to lob mortars at the girls in his vain attempt to wound some of the guys. To wit:

1. In his attempt to attack Coco, he launches a brutal assault on Jasmine, a girl he's never met. This assault goes on for days. This is cowardice This is psychological rape.
2. In his attempt to attack Sapman, he launches an assault on Scarlett. This is cowardice. This is psychological rape.
3. In his attempt to attack me, he casts regular assaults on a woman who has been out of this business for better than four years. This is cowardice. If there were any chance she'd see it, and there isn't, this would be psychological rape.

And then there are the girls he's stalked and is stalking, whose names I can't reveal as a number of them fear for their safety. Sapman outlined some of these cases the other day. These are more cases of psychological rape.

This stuff is daily business on merc and Tom continues see no reason to stop it.

Hello all,

https://merb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...m-MERC.-How-do-we-stop-it&p=509323#post509323

Bigboyeddie said:

So I ask all reviewers, Montreal advertisers as well as lurkers to join and support THE ONLY MONTREAL ESCORT REVIEW BOARD that actually provides an open-minded, helpful and welcoming platform for people to discuss the Montreal escort scene. We welcome reviews good or bad as long as they are honest and objective.

The choice is yours if you wish to join a community that provides reviews and advice from many EXPERIENCED, OBJECTIVE, NON-SHILLING, GOOD NATURED, WELCOMING AND ENTERTAINING hobbyists that are looking out for the best interests of those wishing to enjoy this lifestyle.

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Truthfully, I was a bit dismayed at the banning of Bigboyeddie. He hadn`t really done anything worth banning after all...except that his posts made his purpose obvious, and he has just revealed it in the post on this link. He came here denying any offense in blueland and downplaying anything flagrantly offensive, and sometimes illegal, as just a joke. He asked for proof of threats and slander and when that was provided he both ignored it and changed subject. He came here only after Dee was suspended for new slander and refusing to stop diverting discussion, and in effect Bigboyeddie was only a kind of tag team surrogate apologist and promoter for blueland. The post on the link above amounts to a free shilling advertisement, proving his precise purpose.

"Non-shilling" - The blueland owner alone has posed as The Wickerman since Jan 2007, shilling constantly for his own board....not to mention the fake reviews.

"Good-natured" and "Welcoming" - Several senior members there who have persistently called women stupid bitches, fat dumb whores, and told the ladies their only purpose is to suck a guys cock and swallow then shut up.

The same members there who have slandered other members with labels suck as "terrorist, rapist, pedophile"; threatened physical violence, and to use personal information to destroy private lives, and now use back channels to intimidate the same ladies they attack from attending GTs.

Every banned member, (or those who requested closing accounts like me) are no longer on that board for breaking only one rule: DON`T FIGHT BACK FROM THE SLANDER, THREATS, AND GENERALLY HATEFUL ATTITUDES.

"Open-minded" - You must accept that as Robin said, blueland is a "boys locker room", and as Dissection Tool/Ziggy said, it`s a "cesspool".

As Bigboyeddie said in referring to calling fellow members filthy labels, making malicious threats, invading private personal home life, and intimidating escorts from GTs: "It`s freakin internet TRASH TALK. Can`t you see that? Why do you guys take things so literally???" All the ugliness is just a game. Come to blueland and take this free-for-all of "trash talk" no matter how personally, privately intruding or offensive or threatening we are to you or TOM WILL BAN YOU!!!

"Welcome reviews" - A number of members, especially Dissection Tool/Ziggy, campaigned against providing reviews unless they would be paid for their reviews from a cut of the escorts pay. Not only have they constantly attacked Merb reviews for "shilling" with no proof at all, they`ve had a long history of attacking any new member on their own board as shills thus intimidating members against making FREE reviews.

TO BIGBOYEDDIE: There are 11 names, including two unknown mods, Dissection Tool/Ziggy lists between calling them "Terrorists" and "Rapists". Will you as a self-described fair person ever explain these accusations against every person listed, two of which Ziggy can`t even identify??? Is this the WELCOMING, OPEN-MINDED, OBJECTIVE, GOOD NATURED attitude you described???

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This thread has gone off course from time to time and almost everyone posting here has been excessive to varying degrees. The first purpose of this thread, in my view, is to clean up the slander threats and intimidation in blueland, which even Robin and Ziggy of that board identified. The last resort is closing blueland.

In the course of this thread one member has been suspended who IMHO deserved a ban for his disingenuous posts in this thread, but mostly for his repeated cowardly slander from the other board while hiding there and stalking another member here; and one member has been banned who should have been suspended for only making disingenuous posts. That`s just my opinion.

I am disappointed that there have been a couple of over the top innuendos.

I also want to say that though one member, currently of both Merb and blueland, has been ignoring the abuse from blueland in his posts, he has NOT done anything wrong in either blueland or Merb to be banned here. IF...anyone is attempting to maneuver or goad any other Merb member into becoming so upset he might do or say something to get banned then that kind of maneuver is wrong and should be STOPPED, and I`m not talking about justified replies in self-defense or counter arguments. there`s a difference.


Cheers,

Merlot

There's always been one paradox with respect to that board. That's Robin's involvement there. I'm wondering if it can be traced to his avoidance of MERB rather than a particular like of MERC/Tom. It's really my only unanswered question.

In the wake of Merlot’s post, in which he cites bigboyeddie’s laughable and terribly ironic post, I guess it’s time to present what appears to be Tom’s grand plan. This is drawn from several conversations between a number of people. I’ll first present what we know to be fact and will follow with some supposition. As the supposition casts but two aspersions: that Tom is utterly without business ethics and that Ziggy the Clown is a sucker, I have no problem posting them.

Fact 1. Tom has cancelled the advertising of several well regarded agencies over late payments of less than $100.
Fact 2. Tom himself is unhappy with the expansion of liberal services in the past 10 years since he ran the much more restrictive Heartbreakers agency.
Fact 3. Ziggy the Clown, despite his endless postings about the liberal services he has experienced, has suddenly become the voice of chastity.
Fact 4. Merc and ME have seen a steady supply of new bait and switch advertisers join their board, none of whom are advertising on merb.
Fact 5. Merc has seen a host of new reviewers who concentrate on reviewing only merc’s advertisers, primarily giving positive reviews to bait and switch agencies.
Fact 6. Tom himself, as the Wickerman, writes shill reviews for his advertisers.
Fact 7. Tom and his toadie, mod9/leGuy/agentleman27 have been engaged in a systematic purge of any honest posters who might cast a sideways glance as merc becomes more and more of a shill operation in support of Tom’s advertisers. It’s actually ironic that Ziggy the Clown’s took the name “Dissection Tool” before he became Tom’s.

With all of the above as established and provable fact, here’s what we think is happening, with a few questions tossed in.

1. Tom’s long term plan is to use merc as a shill forum for his merc and me advertisers. In order to reach this goal, he needs to control access to review posting, hence, the purge.
2. We don’t know, but we think it quite possible that Tom has a piece of the action of some of the bait and switch agencies that his board is promoting.
3. The bait and switch agencies provide much less liberal service than those that advertise here. As the GFE agencies pose a threat, but for a few owned by friends of Tom, they’ve been eliminated from merc.
4. I don’t know the role of Ziggy and Tony in all this. Are they simply Tom’s tools to be discarded after their work is done or do one of both of them have a piece of the action?

Certainly there are other questions, but all these pieces fit.

reverdy said:

rumple, one question:

Under the scenario that you propose, where do agencies such as SD, MSC, QOS, and CLD fit into this?

They advertise on merc, but they're not bait and switch.
R

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Reverdy, I can't speak for QOS or CLD, but Peter of SD and MSC has a decades long friendship with Tom. You have managed root out the only non B & S agencies left on merc.

Roland said:

No jokes, I have been posting very seriously in these exchanges...

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I agree and certainly would hate to see you banned. I don't think you are trolling.

Roland said:

...and I have made a few suggestions to help settle this.

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Sorry, Roland, but going back through this hole thread is a lot of reading. Would you care to summarize and extend a little bit on the suggestions you have made so far. We are REALLY looking for concrete solutions to this matter and you are among the few left here thinking there are solutions to avoid the boycott. Let's have a constructive discussion about it.

gugu said:

Sorry, Roland, but going back through this hole thread is a lot of reading. Would you care to summarize and extend a little bit on the suggestions you have made so far. We are REALLY looking for concrete solutions to this matter and you are among the few left here thinking there are solutions to avoid the boycott. Let's have a constructive discussion about it.

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I see less than 30% of the posters interested in pursuing a boycott. It would seem the boycott is in danger of lack of participation. Lack of participation would seem to make a statement to proponents that another course of action is dictated. But do let us know how your small group of boycotters (or girlcotters, as has been described elsewhere) is doing from time to time.

P.S. To BB, I've just reached 1000 posts tonight and you'll rarely find a review among them. Yet, I guaranty I've added more to our breathern than you ever will. So keep shooting your mouth off!! It reveals much about you.

The point, CS, is to cost them more business than they're getting from merc. That's easy. The other point is to let hobbyists know which agencies are funneling money to Tom.

CS Martin, I have yet to see your real contribution to the debate other them commenting on other's positions. Do you think there is a real issue in what was submitted in the seminal post of this thread? Do you think there are solutions to solve the problem? What are those solutions?

Hello all,

gugu said:

I agree and certainly would hate to see you banned. I don't think you are trolling.

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As much as I have many strong grievances with Roland, aside from acting like some insensible nut shouting peace and handing out flowers to the wind in the middle of a hurricane, he's one of the few who has not hid in blueland or come here to commit any the offenses this thread is about. I hope the mods keep that in mind. It's a matter of failure to act to stop this stuff when he could have with him. If he really wanted peace he could have used his position wisely to prevent this situation.

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To Bigboyeddie:

"Listen guys, I went on your board. Got kicked out just for posting on this board. I tried to take an interest in what was going on with all these long-standing issues you have been having with members here....."

You came here telling us all not to take all the slander, threats, etc. seriously. You downplayed all of our seriousness like this was just a disagreement over a game of checkers. You told us just to move on and get back to the hobby...don't take this seriously.

Now you are making shilling advertisements in your posts for blueland, and started defensive threads campaigning against this board. In fact, your efforts have been greater than either of the pathological Tom surrogates in the last few days. Wow...you've gotten awful dedicated and serious about something you said wasn't worth pursuing. And, as expected Dee is back in blueland when he hadn't cared to post there in many weeks. Why BBE, aren't you just moving on. Is it new hypocrisy...or just the same thing you intended all along. I didn't think you should have been banned at the time, but you sure are proving what your intentions were and proving me wrong at the same time.

BTW...when it comes to meeting your blue pals, they have been invited to show up at GTs. Tony keeps saying he will go until the last moment when something yellow down his back always shows up. It's just too bad the GTs haven't yet coincided with one of my regularly timed trips. I would love to meet him. I know his face well thanks to the photo Ziggy sent me. But he never shows anyway.

It's too bad all members just don't follow one simple maxim. Don't say anything you wouldn't say to someones face. It's a perfect rule and one everyone could respect. But, it's not followed.

I've met Ziggy twice. He had known my posts and many reviews for years before then. My posts and reviews have really never changed in the general details or tone, so if there was anything he needed to criticize about me he had all the information he needed when we met, and when we met he never said or even considered saying any of the slander he says now in blueland. There's his ethics for you. Just like his filth buddy Tony. Was Ziggy a better person then or is the board his ethics...like Tony and Dee??? Just board heroes.

BBE...nice job not being serious about any of this. <ROLLEYES>

Cheers,

Merlot

PS

Can blueland please criticize and laugh at the lack of good smilies here. I'm SICK OF THIS CRAP...lol!

Roland said:

I always believe that people can work things out when they meet face to face.
But ,this may be unrealistic here especially because of fear of intimidation from some members.
I've met most of them , and a few are really huge ! ;-)

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If have no fear of the intimidation attempts made towards me by the MERC members. I can't speak in the name of the others here, but I am certainly available for any face to face meeting that you think could help solving the problems.

Roland said:

You guys are all about Tom putting in Moderation to stifle a few members when half of the trouble is right here.No solution exists unless something is done by both boards.
I believe you and Fred are very aware of that.

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You are somehow linking me to Fred here. I don’t know him and he doesn’t know me.

What do you mean when you say half the problem is here?

What do you suggest should be made by Fred? What do you suggest should be made by Tom?

From what I read here, Fred has attempted to talk to Tom but got no answer.

Roland said:

But even then,the boards compete with each other, just like any other business.

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Is anything permitted in the name of competition?

Roland said:

Members aren't done venting and nothing could be accomplished until calm is established.
Will that ever happen...I dunno.

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How do we do that? That is the question asked.

Roland said:

Funny thing is that these boards have turned into one.
Can't read one without the other, thanks to this thread and a few others.

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I can. It’s pretty easy.

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Well, Roland, is that it? Nothing else? I see 2 suggestions in the middle of your flow of words :

1 Meetings face to face. Be more specific : who should meet who?

2 Tom and Fred communicating. Tom refuses.

Gugu, I was about to respond to your laudatory post directed at Roland from earlier this evening, but I see he took care of things already. Frankly, his attitude, that the problems stems equally from both boards, reflects either ignorance, obliviousness, or stupidity. I'll leave it to you to decide.

While merc posters have been spreading lies about merb posters, and posting vicious shit about more than a few of the girls for months now, all mention of merc by merb member had been forbidden until just the last week when the mods decided it was time to defend ourselves. Every attempt by Fred to get Tom to clean up his act has fallen on deaf ears. Roland is either out to lunch or a troll. My sense is the latter. His post of 10 pm this evening confirms all of this beyond doubt.

As far as any face to face meeting, I'm more than willing once two conditions are met: 1) All the offending posts are removed from merc. 2) Public apologies are issued by each of the offending parties, including Tom. I won't hold my breath.

To add some clarity to one point, both Fred Zed and myself sent emails to Tom months ago, well before this thread ever existed. The request was made to remove copied MERB posts from his board, they are the intellectual property of MERB and have been copied and re-posted without permission, and to take some control of his board and remove the lies and false accusations being posted about MERB, MERB moderators and members. It should be quite evident that those requests were denied. There had been no communication between us after that point until we received a request from Tom that the posts which begin this thread be removed and the original GT thread closed. This request was denied and the posts in question were split off to become the thread you are reading now.

To Roland,

You claim that both boards are at fault and that MERB shares 50 percent of the blame? Can you please show us all where MERB has been at fault? Can you please produce some evidence of where similar behavior, attacks, false accusations, personal attacks towards merc were being made on this board? I have heard this argument from others in recent days but as usual, no one can show me any evidence. As I have posted before in this thread, how long were we to accept the constant attacks directed at MERB and our members without permitting our members to defend themselves? Can you honestly say that MERB members have own half of the blame for this situation and actually believe it? Are you so de-sensitized to the situation over on merc that you have not seen what has been going on for what seems like years?

To everyone,

If anyone has evidence of MERB members committing similar offenses to what they have been subjected to for more than 7 months, please produce it for us all to see. If not, please stop using this tired excuse and try to find a new defense strategy.

Thank you,

Mod 8

Roland said:

My ideas are real. Maybe some issues were heated up because of misunderstandings.

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Your ideas are stupid. Say I accused you, your brother, your first cousin of rape, pedophilia, and attempted murder, all accusations made of whole cloth, simply for the purpose of stirring up shit. You gonna sit down over a few beers? Roland, again, you're either trolling, stupid, or you simply haven't read the other board. There can be no other truth.

rumpleforeskiin said:

Your ideas are stupid. Say I accused you, your brother, your first cousin of rape, pedophilia, and attempted murder, all accusations made of whole cloth, simply for the purpose of stirring up shit. You gonna sit down over a few beers? Roland, again, you're either trolling, stupid, or you simply haven't read the other board. There can be no other truth.

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I shall take the initiative to organize a sit down. I will invite Rumples to discuss the issues, face to face.

This Friday, 9pm at Hurley's on Crescent.

Each one of us can bring one more person for security. I shall chose Korbie. If need be for my defense, I can order him to annoy you to death!