Weapons in USA

[Carmine Falcone]

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What you suggest is paradoxical, if civilians cannot be trusted with guns what makes you think the government can be. What happened in Uvalde justifies citizens being armed. To put your life in the faith of police means you do not value your own life much or are seriously misguided about guns. People kill people, not guns. A gun is merely a tool like any other. A hundred years ago gun laws were not much lax but mass shootings were unheard off, so what changed? Explain this I bet you cannot. There is something else going on and it is not about guns. Progressives are just politically hijacking this to push their own agenda. Many other countries also protect the right to bear arms, so where are the mass shootings in those countries? I also bet you cannot answer this one. And one last thing, you also are misguided in thinking if more strict gun laws will do anything because it will not. Criminals do not follow the law, whenever there is prohibition the black market will fulfill those needs. And if you think mentally ill people will not be able to get a hold of guns, I suggest you think long and hard about that one because otherwise prohibition would have stopped all those regular people from getting heroin and fentanyl. The USA is one of the most Capitalistic countries in the world where the mighty dollar drives everything, a black market will always fulfill the needs where there is prohibition, I guarantee it.

Last week, there was a road rage shooting near where I live. The genius opened fire on another car and hit the driver in plain view of a cop in a regular car. No, not an unmarked cop car, but the typical cop car with lights.

I recount that story to say at this point if you think the verdict is not in on whether civilians can be trusted with guns--in between the road rage shootings, daily handgun shootings that claim more lives than mass shootings, and of course mass shootings--there is really nothing else to say. I mean, the lights are on but clearly no one is home.

If you truly think "if it's good enough for the government, then it's good enough for regular citizens" is an airtight argument, then we need to be handing out fully automatic weapons, tanks and drones to everyone too[/sarcasm]

(I shouldn't even have to say this but fully automatic weapons are illegal to possess for most people. Although the damage that can be inflicted by regularly available semiautomatic and fully automatic guns is a distinction without a difference these days, even our gun happy government/system thinks allowing any citizen to own fully automatic weapons is a fucking terrible idea).

I'll sort of agree with you on one point. If we ever get to the point where guns are banned (hint: we won't) criminals won't follow the law and turn their guns in. But that's exactly why they are criminals: they don't follow the law. If we start crafting laws that only criminals will follow, then there would be no laws. Guns owned by criminals here is only a problem here because we have a lot of it. In countries where the number of circulated guns are low, like Japan, unlawful possession of a gun and being caught with is a big deal.

Even gangsters live in fear of Japan's gun laws

It's almost impossible to get to a gun in Japan, and selling one or owning one is a serious crime. Fire the gun? Possibly life imprisonment. Gun-control laws are taken so seriously that police will pursue a violator all the way to the grave — and maybe beyond.

www.japantimes.co.jp

But the gun black market is only as active as the above-board market. And because it's so easy to buy a gun here, those guns invariably feed the black market as well. For example, many guns used by Mexican drug cartels were legally sold in the US. It doesn't matter that straw purchases are illegal here. Sometimes, you don't even need to do a straw purchase. Because guns are so widespread, many criminals can steal them by breaking into people's cars.

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So I don't doubt criminals can buy guns where guns are heavily restricted, but it's a lot harder compared to a country where it's easy to buy a gun and a glut of guns are already in circulation like here in the US.

 

[CLOUD 500]

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You made some good points but I do not agree with it. The right to bear arms is the right to self-defense and necessary for a free state. I oppose all laws that restrict the ability of honest, peaceful citizens to purchase and keep any firearm they wish. I believe citizens should be allowed to carry firearms (or other weapons), whether concealed or not, for self-protection, it is a human right.

The 2nd amendment was born out of violence when the 13 colonies decided to over throw their tyrannical British government. It is necessary for a free state. The Founding Fathers wrote the Constitution after overthrowing their own tyrannical government. The Bill of Rights was added to the Constitution to insure that the fledgling government of these United States would not devolve into the totalitarianism they had just defeated.

I believe that gun control laws are not about crime control, they are about people control. Politicians prefer unarmed subjects. Arms in the hands of the citizenry serve as a constant check on abusive government and remind politicians that power comes from the people. The fact that we can keep arms gives us confidence to assert other rights guaranteed by the Constitution. Disarmed people do not feel safe to openly criticize their “leaders”. See what Australia did to their citizens including China during covid, they packed away people against their will and violated their rights. They were under a police state.

Australia: Harsh Police Response During Covid-19

(Sydney) – Victoria’s police have used harsh measures during the Australian state’s Covid-19 lockdown that threaten basic rights.

www.hrw.org

You associate effect with cause but just because it appears there is a relation does not mean there is. Gun control does it work, it just changes the nature of crimes. Why blame the gun? Blame society. Everywhere around the world violent crimes has been going up. Mass shootings in the US were not common at all in the 1950s. Something is going on that is making more people have violent tendencies, all the more reason to be armed to protect yourself. Lets put it this way, if someone left their car door unlocked with the keys inside the ignition and a criminal decided to help himself and run off with the car. Whose fault is it? The owner or the criminal? Same principal. Blame the criminal. A gun is a tool, if mass shootings has gone up it points to something that is going on in society including the story you just mentioned about road rage. If it is not guns it will be something else. Here is one, a man on a TTC bus in Toronto, ON threw accelerant on a woman and lite her on fire. She died. Is it the fault that gas is widely available? Like Liberals would say, ban all gas. Same logic. I strongly disagree with Paternalism, that task is left to your parents to strip away your liberties to protect you.

Myths about gun control

https://www.cato.org/commentary/gun-control-myths-realities#

Funny you talk about Japan, ex-PM of Japan Shinzo Abe was assassinated with a home made gun. Btw the killer served in the Maritime Self-Defense Force for 3 years in the 2000s. Now you see why I say it is Paradoxical when people say only the government can own guns, yet here a former Japan navy soldier became a killer.

Video shows moment Japan's former PM Shinzo Abe assassinated while giving speech

Japan, one of the world's safest nations, has some of the strictest gun control laws anywhere

montrealgazette.com

Freedom over security any day. Covid mandates is another subject matter but such mandates should never exist.

 

[Womaniser]

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You made some good points but I do not agree with it. The right to bear arms is the right to self-defense and necessary for a free state. I oppose all laws that restrict the ability of honest, peaceful citizens to purchase and keep any firearm they wish. I believe citizens should be allowed to carry firearms (or other weapons), whether concealed or not, for self-protection, it is a human right.

The 2nd amendment was born out of violence when the 13 colonies decided to over throw their tyrannical British government. It is necessary for a free state. The Founding Fathers wrote the Constitution after overthrowing their own tyrannical government. The Bill of Rights was added to the Constitution to insure that the fledgling government of these United States would not devolve into the totalitarianism they had just defeated.

I believe that gun control laws are not about crime control, they are about people control. Politicians prefer unarmed subjects. Arms in the hands of the citizenry serve as a constant check on abusive government and remind politicians that power comes from the people. The fact that we can keep arms gives us confidence to assert other rights guaranteed by the Constitution. Disarmed people do not feel safe to openly criticize their “leaders”. See what Australia did to their citizens including China during covid, they packed away people against their will and violated their rights. They were under a police state.

Australia: Harsh Police Response During Covid-19

(Sydney) – Victoria’s police have used harsh measures during the Australian state’s Covid-19 lockdown that threaten basic rights.

www.hrw.org

You associate effect with cause but just because it appears there is a relation does not mean there is. Gun control does it work, it just changes the nature of crimes. Why blame the gun? Blame society. Everywhere around the world violent crimes has been going up. Mass shootings in the US were not common at all in the 1950s. Something is going on that is making more people have violent tendencies, all the more reason to be armed to protect yourself. Lets put it this way, if someone left their car door unlocked with the keys inside the ignition and a criminal decided to help himself and run off with the car. Whose fault is it? The owner or the criminal? Same principal. Blame the criminal. A gun is a tool, if mass shootings has gone up it points to something that is going on in society including the story you just mentioned about road rage. If it is not guns it will be something else. Here is one, a man on a TTC bus in Toronto, ON threw accelerant on a woman and lite her on fire. She died. Is it the fault that gas is widely available? Like Liberals would say, ban all gas. Same logic. I strongly disagree with Paternalism, that task is left to your parents to strip away your liberties to protect you.

Myths about gun control

https://www.cato.org/commentary/gun-control-myths-realities#

Funny you talk about Japan, ex-PM of Japan Shinzo Abe was assassinated with a home made gun. Btw the killer served in the Maritime Self-Defense Force for 3 years in the 2000s. Now you see why I say it is Paradoxical when people say only the government can own guns, yet here a former Japan navy soldier became a killer.

Video shows moment Japan's former PM Shinzo Abe assassinated while giving speech

Japan, one of the world's safest nations, has some of the strictest gun control laws anywhere

montrealgazette.com

Freedom over security any day. Covid mandates is another subject matter but such mandates should never exist.

The comparison with what happened in Japan is anectodictal.
I did a quick search and found that :
Homicide reath in High- Income Countries.

1. U.S. (4.12 per 100 000)
20. Japan (0.02 per 100 000)
Could there be a correlation with respective Gun Laws in each country ?

 

[CaptRenault]

Gun laws in New York City are very strict. It's extremely difficult for law-abiding citizens to obtain and own a gun for protection. That's why the now-famous Bodega worker, Jose Alba, had to use a knife to defend himself against a vicious thug (and convicted felon) who was attacking him in a store a few nights ago. Thankfully, Alba was able to fend off the attack and he killed the thug in self-defense, using a knife.

Unbelievably, the woke Manhattan DA charged Alba with murder and sent him to jail with a very high bail. Fortunately, after public outrage, the bail was released and Alba was released. If his case ever goes to trial, no jury will convict him.

This case is a perfect illustration of why Americans do not want to surrender their constitutional right to own a gun. If Alba had had a gun, then the thug probably would have backed down and he would still be alive and Alba would have had less risk to his own life if he could have defended himself with a gun instead of a knife.

Violent crime in the U.S. has been on the rise, especially in large urban areas like New York, Chicago and LA, and the police have been less effective in enforcing the law since leftists unleashed their attacks on the police in May, 2020.

When you combine increased crime with decreased law enforcement, Americans have concluded that they have to rely on themselves for protection from criminals. The criminals have (illegal) guns and the government is not doing its job by putting the bad guys in jail and keeping them there. That's why so many Americans are in no mood right now for new restrictions on guns.

What Liberals Get Wrong About the Second Amendment

www.takimag.com

...In the boldest affirmation of their worldview, the framers announced our natural, God-given right to self-defense — against the government, against criminals, and against assailants the government can’t or won’t stop. Free people prepared to defend themselves are the nucleus of the republic. It’s the most beautiful thing in the whole Constitution. Here, at last, the Founding Fathers told us something specific they want us to do: Teach the boys to shoot.

The “right to bear muskets” crowd — protected by taxpayer-supported armed guards, or cordoned off from the public by phalanxes of security officers in the lobby of, for example, NBC’s television studios in Rockefeller Center, before they return to their homes in crime-free, lily-white neighborhoods — tell us to focus on the freakishly rare mass shooting.

The highest estimates of mass shootings — including by gang warfare, drive-bys, drug wars and domestic murder-suicides — put the number of deaths at under 400 per year, or approximately the same number of Americans who drown in swimming pools every year. Four hundred, out of more than 20,000 murders annually.

Which is why, despite the media’s best effort to terrify suburban moms about weirdos shooting at crowds, nearly half of Americans prefer self-reliance to the government taking away our guns and promising to protect us.

In 2020, the Year of Our Floyd, gun sales went through the roof. The previous high for gun sales was in 2016, with about 16 million guns sold. But in 2020, as BLM tore through our cities, Americans bought 22.8 million guns. The following year saw the second-highest record for gun sales, at 19.9 million purchases.

By now, 44% of Americans report living in a gun-owning household. Thirty-two percent say they personally own a gun.

 

[CLOUD 500]

Some just laugh react. Obviously the idea of freedom bothers them. What is it abou

The comparison with what happened in Japan is anectodictal.
I did a quick search and found that :
Homicide reath in High- Income Countries.

1. U.S. (4.12 per 100 000)
20. Japan (0.02 per 100 000)
Could there be a correlation with respective Gun Laws in each country ?

You associate cause with effect, it may seem like there is a link but it does not mean there is. Circumstantial evidence at most. Japanese society is very different to American society. Whatever is going on, these days America is having more people with violent tendencies, all the more reason to be armed. However here is more for you, in 1997 the UK passed the firearms act which banned the possession of all handguns. Since the 1920s gun laws were getting more restrictive there. Lets compare before to today's stats, what I observed is that homicides from gun actually increased. So as you can without politically hijacking an issue, we see that violent crimes did not change at all whether there is a gun ban or not.

Gun Control: What Happened in England, Ireland, and Canada | Mises Institute

We're often told that gun control is responsible for low homicide rates in places like the UK, Ireland and Canada. But a look at the history of homicide in each

mises.org

 

[CLOUD 500]

And to add. Here is a graph of homicide rates in the UK all throughout the 20th century. The 19th century had the lowest gun related deaths in the UK but it began to rise when gun control came. The woke left like to take credit for reduced gun violence for gun control but seem to have a blind spot for when gun violence goes up when gun control is added. Selective amnesia?

 

[Carmine Falcone]

A few points about Shinzo Abe's assassination

- people having a hard on and targeting heads of state/former heads of state is not new. It just happens less now because all the assassinations in history have led to improved security for presidents and prime ministers.

- As Womaniser posted above, Abe's gun death is the exception in Japan. Japan had 10 gun deaths last year, which the same amount of death we rack up on an average weekend in many US cities.

- Procuring a gun was hard enough that the assassin used a home-made, crude looking gun.

 

[sene5hos]

 

[sene5hos]

It’s been seven weeks since a gunman opened fire inside Robb Elementary in Uvalde, Texas, killing 19 children and 2 teachers.

Deep questions remain on why officers waited over an hour to confront the gunman.

But new surveillance footage out on Tuesday is shedding light on what happened in those critical moments.

 

[sene5hos]

Watching this video, I think to myself:

Imagine if the police officers who have weapons and who have had training, we must not allow anyone to obtain them.

 

[CLOUD 500]

This is a perfect example at why ppl should have the right to bear arms, it is a human right. A gun is a tool for self-defense. A man armed with a rifle went to an Indiana mall and shot at ppl killing three and injuring two. An armed law abiding peaceful civilian shot and killed the man with a rifle. Had there not been a peaceful law abiding citizen that was armed, so many more lives would have been lost. Every law abiding citizen should consider arming themselves for self-defense laws permiting of course.

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[Womaniser]

This is a perfect example at why ppl should have the right to bear arms, it is a human right. A gun is a tool for self-defense. A man armed with a rifle went to an Indiana mall and shot at ppl killing three and injuring two. An armed law abiding peaceful civilian shot and killed the man with a rifle. Had there not been a peaceful law abiding citizen that was armed, so many more lives would have been lost. Every law abiding citizen should consider arming themselves for self-defense laws permiting of course.

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Get the latest news on the Israel-Hamas war and the war between Russia and Ukraine as well as top international stories and videos from Asia, Africa, Europe, the Middle East and the Americas.

www.ctvnews.ca

One time in a thousand doesn't make it for the 999 others.
The firearms problem is out of control in USA.
Trudeau use that situation to disarm law abiding Canadians.

 

[Carmine Falcone]

What I find morbidly humorous is that almost 200 trained police officers with equal firepower were scared of one teenager with an AR-15, but the general public or teachers that are supposed to be taking down an active shooter shouldn't be concerned about teenagers having access to AR-15s.

 

[CLOUD 500]

One time in a thousand doesn't make it for the 999 others.
The firearms problem is out of control in USA.
Trudeau use that situation to disarm law abiding Canadians.

Mainstream media does not like to show the value and importance of guns because it is being funded by the Progressives. But if you look it up you will find many instance of law abiding peaceful citizens stopping criminals. Having a gun is a big deterrent for criminals. Look at it this way if you were a robber would you pick an easy target or a hard one? The answer is obvious. Canada does not have many crazy people bu the US is full of them and criminals. Having criminals trespassing your house to rob your home with your family members inside, do you want to put your family's faith in the hope police will arrive to save you and your family or instead would you take matters into your own hands? The answer is obvious. What happened at Uvalde reinforces what I stated however the Liberals do not like citizens having liberty. Behold recounts of civilians stopping criminals.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/multimedia/collection/good-guy-gun-stopped-bad-guy-gun/?page=7

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/10/03/do-civilians-with-guns-ever-stop-mass-shootings/

New Cases of Armed Citizens Stopping Criminals in February

Last month, we documented some extraordinary examples from January of armed citizens relying on their Second Amendment rights to protect themselves and others. We pointed out that these were average, everyday Americans who were just going about their lives. They did not go looking for evil but...

www.heritage.org

There are many more. It is important to note that most often mass shootings occur in gun free zones for obvious reasons.

 

[CLOUD 500]

This is Elisjsha Dicken, the 22 year old HERO who stopped the mass shooter with his own handgun while shopping with his girlfriend at the Indiana shopping mall. Spread him far and wide because you know the Liberals will not.

Police applaud armed citizen who killed 20-year-old Indiana mall shooter

Police identified and applauded the 22-year-old who shot and killed a gunman who opened fire on a Greenwood, Indiana, shopping mall.

abcnews.go.com

 

[gaby]

So yep....allons tous au resto et magasiner avec une arme à la main....ainsi si on aime pas la note ou le service...on saura comment régler ça...lolllll

 

[sene5hos]

So yep....allons tous au resto et magasiner avec une arme à la main....ainsi si on aime pas la note ou le service...on saura comment régler ça...lolllll

Yes, with a AR15

 

[gaby]

Oui tu as tout compris....lol...et si notre voisin nous déplaît...on lui règle son compte...lolll

 

[sene5hos]

https://www.wpbf.com/article/florida-parkland-nikolas-cruz-sentencing-trial/40627591#

The penalty trial of Florida school shooter Nikolas Cruz began on Monday, the deadliest U.S. mass shooting to go before a jury.

A jury of seven men and five women were sworn in to decide whether Cruz, 23, should be sentenced to death or get life in prison.

Seventeen students and staff were killed at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School on Feb. 14, 2018. Seventeen others were injured.

Cruz pleaded guilty in October to those murders and 17 counts of attempted murder, so the jurors will only decide his punishment.
They must be unanimous for Cruz to get the death penalty.

 

[EagerBeaver]

Many people are now saying that this incident shows why you need to arm the citizenry, rather than take their guns away:

What we know about the armed bystander who killed the shooter at an Indiana mall | CNN

Dressed in shorts and a T-shirt, Elisjsha Dicken was shopping with his girlfriend when a gunman opened fire on a food court at a Greenwood, Indiana, mall Sunday evening, killing three people and wounding two others.

www.cnn.com

If you have armed Rambo-type bystanders foil a few mass shootings, they will stop. Mass shooters prey on the weak, and fear the strong.