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An armed man with an AR-15 decked out in body armor tried to breach a security screening area at an FBI field office Thursday, then fled and was injured in an exchange of gunfire in an hourslong standoff with law enforcement that persisted into late afternoon, authorities said.

The confrontation that began at the FBI's Cincinnati office came as officials warned of an increase in threats against federal agents in the days following a search of former President Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate in Florida.

There have been growing threats in recent days against FBI agents and offices across the country since federal agents executed a search warrant at Mar-a-Lago.
On Gab, a social media site popular with white supremacists and antisemites, users have warned they are preparing for an armed revolution.
 

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Another mass shooting. A Virginia Walmart manager opened fire in the break room killing six people.

 

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Another mass shooting. A Virginia Walmart manager opened fire in the break room killing six people.

More senseless gun violence - over 600 mass shootings in US so far this year. Republicans continue to oppose common sense gun safety laws. It's disgraceful.
 

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More senseless gun violence - over 600 mass shootings in US so far this year. Republicans continue to oppose common sense gun safety laws. It's disgraceful.
There is no such thing as a common sense gun law, every individual should have the right to defend themselves thus the right to bear arms, it is a human right. Republicans or Democrats, both are playing their same clown games. See Trudeau's gun ban will do nothing to stop gun violence because the law attacks law abiding citizens. Criminals will obtain their guns illegally as usual. This is nothing but virtue signalling. My stance is not about protection, it is more about the freedom and the voluntary choice of the individual to have that right to defend themselves and not be at the mercy of police. It is to have a voluntary choice and not be coerced to a specific level of security.

Like Patron said many times, he talks often about media sensationalism. He is right as it sells. In the US so far, there has been 20,070 fatalities in the US in the first half of 2022.


Is leftist media talking about this or politically hijacking it? Are they banning all cars? Guns is a tool and like any tool the user is responsible for it. These crimes are happening by some very disturbed people. There is something else at play here and it is not about guns. These are the facts. Blaming guns is the same as blaming cars for car accidents. I do not have a singular answer as to how to curb mass shootings, all I can say is banning guns is not the solution.
 
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There is no such thing as a common sense gun law, every individual should have the right to defend themselves thus the right to bear arms, it is a human right. Republicans or Democrats, both are playing their same clown games. See Trudeau's gun ban will do nothing to stop gun violence because the law attacks law abiding citizens. Criminals will obtain their guns illegally as usual. This is nothing but virtue signalling. My stance is not about protection, it is more about the freedom and the voluntary choice of the individual to have that right to defend themselves and not be at the mercy of police. It is to have a voluntary choice and not be coerced to a specific level of security.

Like Patron said many times, he talks often about media sensationalism. He is right as it sells. In the US so far, there has been 20,070 fatalities in the US in the first half of 2022.


Is leftist media talking about this or politically hijacking it? Are they banning all cars? Guns is a tool and like any tool the user is responsible for it. These crimes are happening by some very disturbed people. There is something else at play here and it is not about guns. These are the facts. Blaming guns is the same as blaming cars for car accidents. I do not have a singular answer as to how to curb mass shootings, all I can say is banning guns is not the solution.
Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness are human rights not gun ownership. If guns are banned only criminals will have guns is an old, tired fear tactic. Most citizens in the US want universal background checks and closing the gun show loophole. Further, the majority want a ban on high capacity magazines and a ban on assault style weapons. These are examples of common sense gun safety ideas. In the US we have more guns than people, and we have more mass shootings and gun deaths than anywhere else in the world. Of course it's all about guns. If you want to live in a civilized society, the good of the whole and public safety is greater than any individual's right to bear arms without any restrictions or restraints.
 
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^^^^^ I strongly disagree with any kind of collectivism and civilized society is another way to say you want big government. Freedom over security always.

The only sure way to stop all mass shootings is to strip away all freedom, but even in totalitarian governments gun violence still happens. It happened in China. The fact you are willing to surrender your rights to have security, you loose me there.
 
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^^^^^ I strongly disagree with any kind of collectivism and civilized society is another way to say you want big government. Freedom over security always.

The only sure way to stop all mass shootings is to strip away all freedom, but even in totalitarian governments gun violence still happens. It happened in China. The fact you are willing to surrender your rights to have security, you loose me there.
Wow. Even for an anti-government, anti-democracy, ultra-libertarian, that's an outrageous position.
 

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Wow. Even for an anti-government, anti-democracy, ultra-libertarian, that's an outrageous position.
What I find outrageous is anyone willing to surrender their rights to the government thinking they got peoples best interest at heart because they do not. Like it or not the 2nd amendment is there and I doubt it is going anywhere. Do keep on drinking the kool-aid though. I never understood why Liberal voters worship the government.
 
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What I find outrageous is anyone willing to surrender their rights to the government thinking they got peoples best interest at heart because they do not. Like it or not the 2nd amendment is there and I doubt it is going anywhere. Do keep on drinking the kool-aid though. I never understood why Liberal voters worship the government.

Fortunately for society your thinking is in the minority and your position is that of an outlier.
 

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Fortunately for society your thinking is in the minority and your position is that of an outlier.
The thing is ppl still believe there is a difference between left and right. At the end both are the same. Btw I originally posted the article without making any political statements, you then decided to post your opinion and I then made mine. We will leave it at that.
 
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^^^^^ I strongly disagree with any kind of collectivism and civilized society is another way to say you want big government. Freedom over security always.

The only sure way to stop all mass shootings is to strip away all freedom, but even in totalitarian governments gun violence still happens. It happened in China. The fact you are willing to surrender your rights to have security, you loose me there.
I am all for freedom and dislike government and politicians on both sides even more.
Having said that what kind of security does owning a gun provide for anyone.
Is it going to stop someone from shooting you with his gun and what exactly are those semi automatic and other rifles that can shoot hundreds of bullets in 30 seconds meant for other than killing people.
Sorry not the kind of world I prefer and as far as I am concerned there is no reason for civilians to be walking around armed.

The United States has almost 50% of the worlds guns in private citizens hands, so based on that it should be the safest place to walk around anywhere right, because all those people can defend themselves lol.
Tell that to all the parents wives husbands and mothers who have lost loved ones due to gun violence. Even Montreal is starting to see more gun violence now days.

Yes guns don’t kill people do, I will go along with that argument, but guns sure as fuck make the killing a lot easier and a hell of a lot deadlier when you can fire hundreds of bullets at innocent people in a matter of 30 seconds.
 

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I am all for freedom and dislike government and politicians on both sides even more.
Having said that what kind of security does owning a gun provide for anyone.
Is it going to stop someone from shooting you with his gun and what exactly are those semi automatic and other rifles that can shoot hundreds of bullets in 30 seconds meant for other than killing people.
Sorry not the kind of world I prefer and as far as I am concerned there is no reason for civilians to be walking around armed.

The United States has almost 50% of the worlds guns in private citizens hands, so based on that it should be the safest place to walk around anywhere right, because all those people can defend themselves lol.
Tell that to all the parents wives husbands and mothers who have lost loved ones due to gun violence. Even Montreal is starting to see more gun violence now days.

Yes guns don’t kill people do, I will go along with that argument, but guns sure as fuck make the killing a lot easier and a hell of a lot deadlier when you can fire hundreds of bullets at innocent people in a matter of 30 seconds.
You make good points and I agree with it. But in spite that, my point was about the individual should have the right and choice to choose and one of that is the right to defend yourself. It is NOT about having security or protection, it is about having the choice, my theory is based on everything should be volunteered. For sure it will not do anything to reduce gun violence, but that was not my argument. I do not agree with coercion to have specific security/protective measures as in the covid pandemic. One can be against something but still be against mandates. So to sum it up, having the right to bear arms is not so much about protection or safety, it is about having the right and free choice to defend yourself if need be. Either way what any of us thinks is irrelevant, the 2nd amendment is there and it is not going anywhere.
 
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. Either way what any of us thinks is irrelevant, the 2nd amendment is there and it is not going anywhere.
Unfortunately this is true and is ingrained in the population of the US.
No other nation has the amount of guns in private citizens hands and will have to live with gun violence and being scared to go shopping to a mall or to an airport not to mention that even their children are not safe in schools.
This type of freedom of choice I can do without and it will take generations of different minded citizens to change this, if ever.

So basically the US can continue with the usual rhetoric from their politicians of hopes and prayers every time there is a mass shooting
This situation however is not purely the fault of the politicians for once but an ingrained love of firearms by the population at large who despite all the deaths are not willing to change.
 

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I agree with this, even though it goes against my normal libertarian views.

Society changes too much to live by guidelines from the 1700s.

There are simply too many mentally ill now to let them get armed, especially with assault weapons.

Everyone’s life had a purpose in the 1700s and 1800s. Society conformed you to being sane. Your job was hunting, farming, or basic manufacturing and construction, and likely some of all four. Of course you needed a gun for hunting, and possibly to shoot a Native American who might want to scalp you in revenge for the smallpox you brought over as germ warfare. Or the British or French or Spanish or Mexicans, who continued to have wars in North America during the 1800s.

Can you imagine George Washington getting into a Time Machine and seeing what at least 20 percent of the population has become? He would have gone back and written a few more sentences into the Second Amendment, if it was ever really meant to allow a mentally ill young person to buy an assault rifle to begin with. Laws, and interpretations of laws, have to change with the times.
That's exactly right. The 2nd amendment was ratified over 230 years ago when muskets were used and there was no standing army, no national guard, no state police, no sheriffs, no city police. The 2nd amendment is woefully outdated and, unfortunately, has been perverted by the NRA, the gun industry, and the republican politicians who are owned by BIG GUN.
 

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I agree with this, even though it goes against my normal libertarian views.

Society changes too much to live by guidelines from the 1700s.

There are simply too many mentally ill now to let them get armed, especially with assault weapons.

Everyone’s life had a purpose in the 1700s and 1800s. Society conformed you to being sane. Your job was hunting, farming, or basic manufacturing and construction, and likely some of all four. Of course you needed a gun for hunting, and possibly to shoot a Native American who might want to scalp you in revenge for the smallpox you brought over as germ warfare. Or the British or French or Spanish or Mexicans, who continued to have wars in North America during the 1800s.

Can you imagine George Washington getting into a Time Machine and seeing what at least 20 percent of the population has become? He would have gone back and written a few more sentences into the Second Amendment, if it was ever really meant to allow a mentally ill young person to buy an assault rifle to begin with. Laws, and interpretations of laws, have to change with the times.
I do not agree with this. The left is pushing hard for no guns in other words surrender to the government. The real question to ask what has changed from before till now? Sure before they had muskets but they were capable to kill as the modern semi-automatic firearms are. People are just as busy today as they were before. I said it many times there is something else at play and to always blame guns is kind of like blaming cars for car accident fatalities. Why is there so much mental illness? Why so much radicalization? My theory is social media and television. What George Washington will see is all the technology and how propaganda can spread so easily and fast. Dave DePape who attacked Paul Pelosi not only had a history of mental illness but was also radicalized by far-right propaganda and Qanon. They did not have this in the 1700s. So is it really the fault of the gun like the Socialists like to say?

Here is food for thought. Switzerland has among the most Liberal gun laws in the world, they also have a high rate of gun ownership. But there has not been a mass shooting there since 2001. Liberal voters will go nuts looking at cold hard facts about this one. The culture there is very different compared to the US. Switzerland is my ideal country, they remained neutral from all wars, have a free market, and no social behavior rules.




Somethings to consider. Switzerland has very low poverty thanks to a truly free market far from twisted far-left Socialist policies. They also do not have mass immigration. There are about two million guns in circulation in Switzerland, only the US and Yemen have more.
 
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