Expectations per price point

[Fradi]

Luna,
I agree with everything you are saying.
When I say anything you purchase I simply meant anything you pay money for, with escorts obviously it is a service we are paying for and not buying the person.
Every escort has a right to charge what ever they wish and whatever they think is best for their business.
Everyone wants to be paid at the highest level of their experience and whatever they are worth for their work , why should escorts be an exception.
I don’t think there is anything wrong with someone stating what and who appeals to them however doing the opposite is not necessary and demeaning you just need to move on and choose someone who appeals to you,

There is a niche for every body type and age luckily so people can choose who ever appeals to them.
Again my point is simply that anything that you are paying for will ultimately be a choice between what you like and want and what you can afford, this you cannot avoid and of course it will be of interest and a determining factor.

 

[Fradi]

Fair enough but do you think a new thread every 3 weeks is what’s going to lower the rates and better the services?

The people you (general you) complain about aren’t coming here to read those threads. If you don’t like the rates and services don’t go back and eventually they’ll understand

First I have never complained about the rates and I am quite happy paying the higher rates for Indies because they are amazing women and I think the world of the ones I am seeing. I won’t say I am lucky because I worked my ass off all my life to be able to afford a nice life style.

Trying to complain about threads that discuss rates is futile, anything you pay money for the rates become a determining factor and become important
We all work for money, even clients, nobody has a well of cash to dip into whenever they get horny.

 

[Dixie20]

I got the ick about OP post. Like if she's in the $500 range, I expect a face pic. I'm like you do know why most are face in no matter what they charge. Sigh

I would like to reply but I do not understand your sentence, could you please rephrase or clarify?

 

[LC18]

I would like to reply but I do not understand your sentence, could you please rephrase or clarify?

“I got the ick about OP post. Like if she's in the $500 range, I expect a face pic. I'm like you do know why most are face in no matter what they charge. Sigh”

He said: If the sp is in the $500 range and you expect a face pic because of the rates that’s ridiculous. People aren’t hiding their face for fun.

 

[LC18]

First I have never complained about the rates and I am quite happy paying the higher rates for Indies because they are amazing women and I think the world of the ones I am seeing. I won’t say I am lucky because I worked my ass off all my life to be able to afford a nice life style.

Trying to complain about threads that discuss rates is futile, anything you pay money for the rates become a determining factor and become important
We all work for money, even clients, nobody has a well of cash to dip into whenever they get horny.

Like I said (general you) so I wasn’t talking about Fradi but the people complaining.

Complain all you want but the people you’re complaining about most of the time aren’t coming on here. The girls charging a lot to do nothing don’t come here to read and think: wow maybe I should start doing more

Like I said, if you (the people complaining) really wish to see a difference then stop encouraging them if they don’t meet your requirements

 

[Lunaseraphim]

I used to have mixed feelings about ''high rates'' because I felt self conscious when I entered the industry, but now I understand that it's the SP's choice to charge what they want, everyone has their own reasons for charging the rates they charge and it's none of our business. And sometimes I do think about raising my rates again. (not saying I'll do it, don't worry!) I think a lot of SP's do see these posts and feel like they need to lower their rates, keep them in a certain range or feel self conscious and it's almost as if these posts are meant for us to see and feel bad about charging above agency and MP level rates. I'm just saying it's not fun for any of us to see these posts, no matter what our rates are. There's a reason why it's a subject that can get a thread closed on this forum.

Yes I get that talking about money is a common and necessary thing, but this isn't the same as complaining about the price of fuel or groceries. Seeing a SP is a luxury, not a necessity. And really often in those types of discussions I don't feel like it's understood that being a SP is not a 9 to 5 job and that by being a SP we are taking huge risks that are not comparable to what you experience at your average job too. There are reasons why people become SP's, but somehow that never gets discussed... And I get it because that would ruin the magic. But if you don't want to talk about that, don't complain about our rates.

 

[Fradi]

Yes I get that talking about money is a common and necessary thing, but this isn't the same as complaining about the price of fuel or groceries. Seeing a SP is a luxury, not a necessity. And really often in those types of discussions I don't feel like it's understood that being a SP is not a 9 to 5 job and that by being a SP we are taking huge risks that are not comparable to what you experience at your average job too. There are reasons why people become SP's, but somehow that never gets discussed... And I get it because that would ruin the magic. But if you don't want to talk about that, don't complain about our rates.

I don’t think that all of the people that discuss rates are doing it as a complaint.
What ever costs you money it is very normal to discuss it and compare rates and where you will be getting the best service for your money.

I believe this and keeping each other safe is the prime reason Merb exists.

Whether seeing an SP is a luxury or not is not the issue, of course it is I went to see Celin Dion sing in Vegas because I love her voice and think she is one of the best performers ever ( I don’t particularly care for her as a person and how she acts in interviews) and yes I would have preferred to pay less for the tickets but think I got my monies worth, she was amazing so I don’t have buyers remorse at all.

Yes I get that it may not be pleasant for SP to see discussions about their rates especially if it has a negative direction, but it comes with the territory, you are in a service profession for which people pay money and spend their hard earned savings on. We all work hard for our money, even clients, so where and how we spend it and what value we are receiving for it will always be of importance and fair game to be discussed.
It is naive for any SP to think that rates won’t be discussed and that it won’t be one of the determining factors for choosing them.

As far as OP remarks about wanting to see a picture if she is charging $500 that is ridiculous and shows he is completely misinformed and hasn’t done his homework. Sp don’t show their face for safety and so they don’t get banned from several countries because they can easily be identified through facial recognition at the borders. It has nothing to do with their rates.

 

[Dixie20]

I don’t understand why some of you are shocked/disgusted (ick) or believe that I am misformed when I talk about expectations of a face picture.
If I’m not mistaken this is a review board, therefore it it normal for the consumer to evaluate and compare the services with those of other service providers. If I mentioned the expectation of a face picture at a price point of $500, it is merely because that is what I saw the market offered.
@Fradi I fully understand why an SP would choose not to show their face and I respect that choice. Just like how I understand why an SP would only offer CBJ and once again that is their choice and I respect it. With that said, as a consumer, if the market shows that 90% of SPs offer Bbj at a certain point, it become as expectation/norm for us consumers at that rates.

Lastly, this is not a rate debate, because in the end, the price of “A” at price “B” will eventually change. So, if I talk about the scandalous face pic at 500$, one day it will 700$ and that’s okay because that is what the market will be at that time.

 

[Fradi]

I don’t understand why some of you are shocked/disgusted (ick) or believe that I am misformed when I talk about expectations of a face picture.
If I’m not mistaken this is a review board, therefore it it normal for the consumer to evaluate and compare the services with those of other service providers. If I mentioned the expectation of a face picture at a price point of $500, it is merely because that is what I saw the market offered.
@Fradi I fully understand why an SP would choose not to show their face and I respect that choice. Just like how I understand why an SP would only offer CBJ and once again that is their choice and I respect it. With that said, as a consumer, if the market shows that 90% of SPs offer Bbj at a certain point, it become as expectation/norm for us consumers at that rates.

It has just been explained to you that it is a threat to their security and it could get them banned from many countries and yet you still bring it up as a legitimate request.
If they wanted to reveal their face on their adds and web sight they would have, they didn’t blur it because they don’t know how to take a clear picture.

Clearly the advantage of maybe gaining a few extra clients is not worth it for them to risk their safety or risk being banned from travelling.
Asking them for it is just going to raise red flags and for you to be rejected.

 

[Lunaseraphim]

Clients and employers create demands that we end up feeling pressured to indulge, no matter what our rates are. Some of these demands are literal health and safety risks. Whether or not someone offers bbbj or cbj doesn't necessarily mean the service will be better or worse, and sometimes it seems like no matter how much you offer there's still someone who's going to complain no matter what the rate. (''she doesn't do enough eye contact'' ''no dt'' ''she doesn't do greek'' ''she's not in love with me'' ''she seems to only do it for money'' bla bla bla) I've seen people write horrible reviews for SP's who had really really low rates and divulge drug addictions and other personal details.

There's a reason why I'm face out, even if I regret making that choice sometimes. A lot of SP's have what you guys consider ''real jobs'' or are in school, or simply don't want family members or friends to find out what they do. That has nothing to do with rates in my opinion.

Also, you are not a consumer when it comes to this ''hobby''. You are paying for a service. This is a completely different thing. SP's are human beings, not consumer goods. I try to be as lenient and understanding as possible and I try to put myself in my client's place all the time. I personally have good clients and I'm glad a lot of cool people found me through this forum, but I'm still not a huge fan of people writing bad reviews about escorts, comparing them, insulting their looks etc.

 

[Lunaseraphim]

I think yes Merb is keeping people safe in a lot of ways, and I've gotten some pretty good clients through advertising here. In other ways, there are safety risks. Really often I'm shocked by things that are revealed through reviews, like I said above someone's addiction, the fact that somebody receives from home, what neighborhood somebody's incall is in, vulnerabilities that could be exploited, etc. One of the reasons why I post a lot here is because I want to be in control of the narrative about myself and I feel like there is more empathy toward someone you are having a conversation with or reading the words of rather than toward a person you just view as a body.

You guys don't want to be seen as ''human ATMs'' (and I quote some of you), so try not to see us as consumer goods.

 

[Fradi]

I think yes Merb is keeping people safe in a lot of ways, and I've gotten some pretty good clients through advertising here. In other ways, there are safety risks. Really often I'm shocked by things that are revealed through reviews, like I said above someone's addiction, the fact that somebody receives from home, what neighborhood somebody's incall is in, vulnerabilities that could be exploited, etc. One of the reasons why I post a lot here is because I want to be in control of the narrative about myself and I feel like there is more empathy toward someone you are having a conversation with or reading the words of rather than toward a person you just view as a body.

I would agree with everything you say except maybe the addiction part.
Yes revealing someone’s drug addiction will hurt them personally and business wise, but at the same time seeing a drug addict is dangerous for a client also and would you actually want to have anything to do with a drug addict if you knew it going in.
I know I would not.
I am sure you have no intentions of seeing a client high on drugs or even intoxicated either.

 

[Lunaseraphim]

I would agree with everything you say except maybe the addiction part.
Yes revealing someone’s drug addiction will hurt them personally and business wise, but at the same time seeing a drug addict is dangerous for a client also and would you actually want to have anything to do with a drug addict if you knew it going in.
I know I would not.
I am sure you have no intentions of seeing a client high on drugs or even intoxicated either.

It's definitely a delicate situation and I understand why that would be part of a review, but it's more dangerous for the SP to reveal that info because they may get taken advantage of even more. It's true that I don't want to see a client who's on hard drugs, but I'm also aware that it's not always that obvious if somebody is intoxicated. And sometimes I drink wine with clients, so technically, we are intoxicated.

Also, some ways of revealing that kind of information are worse than others. I've seen ppl post shit like ''she charges 120$h and she snorted coke the whole time, she has a nice body even if she has an ugly face and her appartment smells like piss and it's worth the money bc she gives good bjs''

 

[Fradi]

It's definitely a delicate situation and I understand why that would be part of a review, but it's more dangerous for the SP to reveal that info because they may get taken advantage of even more. It's true that I don't want to see a client who's on hard drugs, but I'm also aware that it's not always that obvious if somebody is intoxicated. And sometimes I drink wine with clients, so technically, we are intoxicated.

Also, some ways of revealing that kind of information are worse than others. I've seen ppl post shit like ''she charges 120$h and she snorted coke the whole time, she has a nice body even if she has an ugly face and her appartment smells like piss and it's worth the money bc she gives good bjs''

Yes it is a delicate situation and I agree with you.
You do not need to be cruel you can get your point across without being demeaning or rude.
It is fabulous when you find ladies that you connect with and both parties can be kind and enjoy being with each other.
Yes it is a money oriented agreement but it can be very pleasant and enjoyable if both parties give it a chance and respect each other.

 

[Dixie20]

It has just been explained to you that it is a threat to their security and it could get them banned from many countries and yet you still bring it up as a legitimate request.
If they wanted to reveal their face on their adds and web sight they would have, they didn’t blur it because they don’t know how to take a clear picture.

Clearly the advantage of maybe gaining a few extra clients is not worth it for them to risk their safety or risk being banned from travelling.
Asking them for it is just going to raise red flags and for you to be rejected.

I never requested anybody to do anything and I respect everyones choice to show their face or not (and offer the services they want to or not)
As consumer, it is also my decision to determine what price I would like to pay for certain services.
With that said , it doesn’t mean that I’ll get what I want.
Furthermore, being an SP may have its legal repercussions (face shown or not). Recently, the Indy Maxime had a bad experience cross border and she chooses not to show her face.
I do not understand why some people always choose to insult others or question one’s motives is this forum simply because the other person disagrees.

 

[Fradi]

I never requested anybody to do anything and I respect everyones choice to show their face or not (and offer the services they want to or not)
As consumer, it is also my decision to determine what price I would like to pay for certain services.
With that said , it doesn’t mean that I’ll get what I want.
Furthermore, being an SP may have its legal repercussions (face shown or not). Recently, the Indy Maxime had a bad experience cross border and she chooses not to show her face.
I do not understand why some people always choose to insult others or question one’s motives is this forum simply because the other person disagrees.

Nobody insulted you at all. Having a different opinion is not an insult.

If you did not or would not ask for someone’s photograph then why even bring it up lol.
Nobody questioned what you are willing to pay or not pay for a session either it is your choice same as an SP choice to set whatever rate they think is best for their business.

 

[Lunaseraphim]

Yes it is a delicate situation and I agree with you.
You do not need to be cruel you can get your point across without being demeaning or rude.
It is fabulous when you find ladies that you connect with and both parties can be kind and enjoy being with each other.
Yes it is a money oriented agreement but it can be very pleasant and enjoyable if both parties give it a chance and respect each other.

That's what I'm saying, there's a way to say things. Clients who write a lot of negative or demeaning reviews seem to get a kick out of it and I notice patterns of people being specially cruel to SP's who charge lower rates or belong to a category they view as less attractive yet still choosing to see them, as if it's part of what they are enjoying from the ''hobby''.

There's a client I saw 3 times who wrote a review about me on TER, and it wasn't specially positive, but it's peculiar that he still booked me 3 times. However, the review wasn't insulting. He was mostly commenting on how we didn't have chemistry, which can happen and I have no control over. An intelligent client who reads this will understand that this has nothing to do with the quality of service I provided to this person.

I never requested anybody to do anything and I respect everyones choice to show their face or not (and offer the services they want to or not)
As consumer, it is also my decision to determine what price I would like to pay for certain services.
With that said , it doesn’t mean that I’ll get what I want.
Furthermore, being an SP may have its legal repercussions (face shown or not). Recently, the Indy Maxime had a bad experience cross border and she chooses not to show her face.
I do not understand why some people always choose to insult others or question one’s motives is this forum simply because the other person disagrees.

I don't think anyone here is insulting you, we are just having a conversation. I agree with you that no matter what being a SP has risks, but as someone who's face out, I've had some experiences somebody someone who's face in wouldn't have. For example, a random person sending me a creepy email to tell me he saw me at mcdonald's, or people I've matched with on dating apps many years ago but never met try to book me or get free services...

 

[Dixie20]

Nobody insulted you at all. Having a different opinion is not an insult.

If you did not or would not ask for someone’s photograph then why even bring it up lol.
Nobody questioned what you are willing to pay or not pay for a session either it is your choice same as an SP choice to set whatever rate they think is best for their business.

I also said “or question ones motives”.

The reality of the situation is that some SPs show their face and some do not, therefore it becomes part of the equation, no?

 

[Lunaseraphim]

I also said “or question ones motives”.

The reality of the situation is that some SPs show their face and some not, therefore it becomes part of the equation, no?

I do feel like sometimes there are ulterior motives behind conversations about certain things, like rates etc. I'm not saying it's necessarily the case now, but it's something that I personally believe to be true. Yes, it's part of the equation. If I hired a SP personally, I would want to know what their face looks like. That might sound shocking to you lol. But I wouldn't think that someone who doesn't should charge lower.

 

[Dixie20]

I do feel like sometimes there are ulterior motives behind conversations about certain things, like rates etc. I'm not saying it's necessarily the case now, but it's something that I personally believe to be true. Yes, it's part of the equation. If I hired a SP personally, I would want to know what their face looks like. That might sound shocking to you lol. But I wouldn't think that someone who doesn't should charge lower.

But would you say that those SPs who show their face usually tend to charge more?