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2fast2slow

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If you want to help, you can invite them in your home. Help is when it is done voluntarily, not by force like taxing people then giving them social benefits for political and personal gain. Canada used to be a nation built on immigration but not anymore, the immigrants are being used as commodity for politicians and corporations to make more money. Look around you, wealth is getting concentrated to the politicians and corporations while the rest is getting power. The middle class is now the new hidden poor because most of their income is being tied to housing. Canada's living standards will never get better till productivity is addressed, Canada is suffering a productivity crisis and you cannot build wealth by piling millions of people from the third world and give them so much social benefits. The results speak for themselves.

No we do not need 100 million people that is ridiculous, this is for politicians who want power. It is weird how you can be more concerned about what goes around in the world instead of what is happening in your own country. We should not have one more refugee or temporary foreign worker till every Canadian is employed. We should not have more more people till housing supply is more them demand. But politicians and the rich do not want that, they want real estate values to keep going up because it benefits them. I will always be for the average joe working a job. It makes no sense to have never ending population growth as if resources are infinite because they are not. The goal is to make money, the way to go that is to create a need where there is none. Another goal is to create scarcity. One way is to reduce supply and the other way is to increase demand. Politicians and the rich want more demand because they can jack up their prices is what we have been seeing since covid. Many are struggling to pay their bills, living paycheck to paycheck

Finally, your last statement makes no sense. The Liberals are piling more people then there is housing being built. In fact all the red take is causing housing construction to slow down. You need to shut down immigration. Lets put it this way, if you got a hole in your fuel tank, your solution is to put more gas to keep the tank full. But that does not resolve the problem, you need to fix the hole. Same principal. You need to shut down immigration and construct lots of new houses and apartments. And, how much natural habitat are we supposed to destroy to have more humans??? We are displacing animals from their natural habitat and destroying forests just to have more humans and for what? For the rich to make more money? There are 8.5 billion humans on this planet and that is scary. All governments should be working to slow down population growth.
A lot to unpack in that lol.

1 . I can't take in immigrants to my home, but am willing to spend my tax dollars to welcome them to Canada. That is a philisophical difference between you and me. It is not for so political and personal gain for me, i just beleive in it. And I beleive it is best for my country, Canada, in the long term.
2. Yes, I aggree with you, the gap between the rich and the poor is widening, but it is not because of immigration. It is because special interests and lobby groups, who have a lot of money and influence, well they do their job and influence the government in ways that are not always in the best intersts of the common canadian. The best way to counter that is either: vote for someone else, or, get involved with some kind of lobby group, or, better yet, run for office yourself.
3. Canadian productivity has always been on the low side, especially when compared to our southern neighbors, but we have generally more vacation, paid leave, maternity leave etc...ill take our system.
4. We have been taking in 0.5 Million immigrants a year (excluding temp workers) all thoughout the Trudeau era. Yes some if not most get social benefits until their claims are processed by our lagging court system, but trust me, they dont want social security, they want to work, and they will take all the menial jobs we dont want. So please do not portray them as societal blood sucing leaches, because they are the opposite. They just want to make a living and feed their families.

Ok those are my answers for your first paragraph...lol
 

CLOUD 500

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A lot to unpack in that lol.

1 . I can't take in immigrants to my home, but am willing to spend my tax dollars to welcome them to Canada. That is a philisophical difference between you and me. It is not for so political and personal gain for me, i just beleive in it. And I beleive it is best for my country, Canada, in the long term.
Well I am not. That is why it should be a choice, not to be done by force. I am against the welfare state because no one is entitled to your labor. For every dollar given away by the government it is a dollar that someone worked for that they will never see. It is treason to give taxpayers money to foreigners when we got so many in Canada struggling to pay their bills. What about all the homeless?? For the government who does this it is 100% for political and personal gain from them. I never said you were.
2. Yes, I aggree with you, the gap between the rich and the poor is widening, but it is not because of immigration. It is because special interests and lobby groups, who have a lot of money and influence, well they do their job and influence the government in ways that are not always in the best intersts of the common canadian. The best way to counter that is either: vote for someone else, or, get involved with some kind of lobby group, or, better yet, run for office yourself.
Bingo but you are half right.


^^^^ Check this out. This is the Century Initiative, they classified themselves are a charity organization but in reality it is a lobby group. They cater to investors, financial companies, and yes Blackrock and McKinsey. This is a lobby organization for the rich. The Trudeau government is guilty of handing millions of dollars to the McKinsey consultant firm (the give advice to corporations and government on how to get richer). This group's goal is to have 100 million people. McKinsey was dictating immigration policy. Oh yess the gap between the rich and poor is caused by mass immigration. Did you fail your economics class? The most basic law of economics is the law of supply and demand and it is universal. The more demand there is, the higher the prices go. It does not get more complicated then that. More people = More demand. You follow me? The fact that there is more people it is making everything else more expensive like housing and food. It benefits those lobby groups the most the ones influencing the government. They lobby the government to have more people so they can make more money. They do not care if ten people got to share an apartment to makes ends meet.
3. Canadian productivity has always been on the low side, especially when compared to our southern neighbors, but we have generally more vacation, paid leave, maternity leave etc...ill take our system.
Canada never had a productivity this low. In fact Canada's productivity was up the roof in the 60s. High taxes, carbon taxes, more regulations take down productivity.


^^^^ Here check this out.
4. We have been taking in 0.5 Million immigrants a year (excluding temp workers) all thoughout the Trudeau era. Yes some if not most get social benefits until their claims are processed by our lagging court system, but trust me, they dont want social security, they want to work, and they will take all the menial jobs we dont want. So please do not portray them as societal blood sucing leaches, because they are the opposite. They just want to make a living and feed their families.
No they do not. They come here in droves for the social benefits do not kid yourself. Do you believe every sob story? They pretend to be poor but in reality they want freebies. I seen plenty of them, single mom families with 5+ kids. They are leaches and I do not blame them, they are taking advantage. This is 100% the government's fault. Asylum seekers has surged because they know all the freebies Canada gives them. Btw you are way off on your numbers. Lol In 2024 Trudeau brought in about 2 million people, I am sure the actual number is higher. In the first quarter alone they brought in 817,000 people. Lol That is madness.

Lastly, I am not against immigration, what I am against is uncontrolled mass immigration. What I am for is responsible immigration. So it means limiting how many people enter the country and it should be based on a merit system. We need doctors, engineers, lawyers. Not more uber drivers or delivery drivers or refugees leeching off the system.