Nice la Presse Article on XO this morning

[Verbal Kint]

In the USA a "plea" is a formal "declaration" to the Court on how the defendant answers to the charges. The defendant must speak it- not his or her attorney. They must "declare" they are guilty or not guilty. I should note that there may be preliminary hearings before an arraignment occurs where such a plea is entered.

I frankly don't know the significance of "orientation declare" but it sounds like it could be a form of plea in your Quebec criminal justice system. At some point Sammy does have to communicate to the Court his response to the charges. I don't know how or when that will happen but I want to hear Sammy's response, which we would call a "plea."

Orientation declare is pretty much like you mentioned. Entering a plea and deciding what type of trial they will go towards (Orientation) Mediation, trial, and fixing a date.

 

[marky1234]

I meant that all I read are clients panicking, I am not! And make clients reflect and end the demand is the goal of our Canadian law. It might not last, but clearly taking down that agency touched a nerve.

When I see all the “Fully booked” girls on the agencies’ pages , are clients really paniking? The top agencies have 12 girls on average everyday and assuming each girl meet 5 clients ( low average ) then it would means that the top 3 agencies’ girls see a total of 180 clients per day. In a month, more than 5,000 clients. Lot of work for the cops

 

[davydream52]

When I see all the “Fully booked” girls on the agencies’ pages , are clients really paniking? The top agencies have 12 girls on average everyday and assuming each girl meet 5 clients ( low average ) then it would means that the top 3 agencies’ girls see a total of 180 clients per day. In a month, more than 5,000 clients. Lot of work for the cops

Many are repeats or "loyal" buyers. In massachusetts brothel bust they went after the most repeating ones out of more than 2800 numbers they found. Out of these almost 3000 ones they identified 34 individuals. These 34 individuals had interaction in 100s of messages. Now I don't know if that mean 100s of visits or multiple messages accounted for each visit. The clientele was described as "wealthy and well-connected" including doctors, lawyers, corporate executives, military officers, scientists, professors and a Cambridge city councilor.
Someone was saying since client list contain influential people, they won't go after clients but Massachusetts trial speaks otherwise. They specifically went after clients regardless of their influence.

 

[Verbal Kint]

Many are repeats or "loyal" buyers. In massachusetts brothel bust they went after the most repeating ones out of more than 2800 numbers they found. Out of these almost 3000 ones they identified 34 individuals.

It Is an illegal activity.
I'm not here to tell you to do it, or not do it.
I don't think we should fear prosecution.
That being said we could reflect...

Also remember that the limitation status in Canada is 12 months for this specific kind of crime.

LE will focus a lot more about exploitation and under age girls; that is what they went after in this case in particular.

Now let's stop with the phone inquieries that is leading to spreading fear around please.

 

[davydream52]

It Is an illegal activity.
I'm not here to tell you to do it, or not do it.
I don't think we should fear prosecution.
That being said we could reflect...

Also remember that the limitation status in Canada is 12 months for this specific kind of crime.

LE will focus a lot more about exploitation and under age girls; that is what they went after in this case in particular.

Now let's stop with the phone inquieries that is leading to spreading fear around please.

> Also remember that the limitation status in Canada is 12 months for this specific kind of crime

This is true but in case if they want to persecute they can file it as an indictable offense which has no statute of limitation. Obviously they do it only when evidence is full proof.

 

[RobertNYC]

Many are repeats or "loyal" buyers. In massachusetts brothel bust they went after the most repeating ones out of more than 2800 numbers they found. Out of these almost 3000 ones they identified 34 individuals. These 34 individuals had interaction in 100s of messages. Now I don't know if that mean 100s of visits or multiple messages accounted for each visit. The clientele was described as "wealthy and well-connected" including doctors, lawyers, corporate executives, military officers, scientists, professors and a Cambridge city councilor.
Someone was saying since client list contain influential people, they won't go after clients but Massachusetts trial speaks otherwise. They specifically went after clients regardless of their influence.

I brought up Massachusetts as an outlier a few days ago. It’s a state notorious for hating normal, heterosexual men and the corrupt media played a role in exposing client names. Factor in corrupt politicians and one party rule because of gerrymandering and you have something bordering on totalitarianism.

I’m being a bit hyperbolic but you know where I’m coming from.

The dingbat mayor of Boston could be running an agency for all we know. I jest. lol

 

[davydream52]

I brought up Massachusetts as an outlier a few days ago. It’s a state notorious for hating normal, heterosexual men and the corrupt media played a role in exposing client names. Factor in corrupt politicians and one party rule because of gerrymandering and you have something bordering on totalitarianism.

I’m being a bit hyperbolic but you know where I’m coming from.

The dingbat mayor of Boston could be running an agency for all we know. I jest. lol

Politicians and top cops anywhere in the world know who runs what and where and when

 

[Verbal Kint]

> Also remember that the limitation status in Canada is 12 months for this specific kind of crime

This is true but in case if they want to persecute they can file it as an indictable offense which has no statute of limitation. Obviously they do it only when evidence is full proof.

Yes you are technicaly correct.
Unless you are the prime minister, I highly doubt any competent prosecutor would move to Indict a regular Joe, moving to trial without preliminary hearing, without establishing burdon of proof and making it a public case. Not to talk about the tax payers money that would be involved.
To witch the defence would delight in dismantling it. Even if you agree to something over the phone, over the text, there is always things you can do or say to defend it. And you are innocent until prooven guity beyond any resonable doubt.
Sleep tight.

 

[AnthonyAnderson]

When I see all the “Fully booked” girls on the agencies’ pages , are clients really paniking?

Many people don't read the news (or Merb). Some may be aware, but simply can't resist the temptation. The thought of being caught is still distant in their mind, albeit maybe a bit less than a couple weeks ago....

 

[Rabbits]

I've been told stuff like that by SP too : I'd rather they come see me instead of raping someone. It alwas throws me off and kinda insults me too. I've had long periods of no sex in my life and It never brought me close to even entertaining the notion of sexually abusing a women because I was getting too horny or whatever.

It sure does damage you in other ways though, but that's something else.

Once, there was a petite sp who told me she has some pedophil clients and she rather them come see her than abusing children. It did shocked me as well even I understood her logic. I wonder if she saw me as another pedophile. It did enough damage I’m staying away from spinners

From what I understood, there was an underage sp working at xo at some point. I don’t think law enforcement would go after every clients but a slim chance they will be going after clients who booked her.

 

[Vardhan945]

Many are repeats or "loyal" buyers. In massachusetts brothel bust they went after the most repeating ones out of more than 2800 numbers they found. Out of these almost 3000 ones they identified 34 individuals. These 34 individuals had interaction in 100s of messages. Now I don't know if that mean 100s of visits or multiple messages accounted for each visit. The clientele was described as "wealthy and well-connected" including doctors, lawyers, corporate executives, military officers, scientists, professors and a Cambridge city councilor.
Someone was saying since client list contain influential people, they won't go after clients but Massachusetts trial speaks otherwise. They specifically went after clients regardless of their influence.

Lol if I lived in the North East and I did this "hobby" regularly I would just drive to Mtl.

This is absolutely not worth it in the States unless youre a multimillionaire or extremely well connected imo

 

[RobertNYC]

Lol if I lived in the North East and I did this "hobby" regularly I would just drive to Mtl.

This is absolutely not worth it in the States unless youre a multimillionaire or extremely well connected imo

That’s misguided. Many agencies in NYC and NNJ have been operating for years, without incident. Oftentimes those that got busted did something stupid.

Massachusetts, practically communist, is the most fucked up state if you’re a heterosexual male. Don’t compare other places with that f’d up state. The people are great, politicians are bomkers.

 

[jmioffe]

Also remember that the limitation status in Canada is 12 months for this specific kind of crime.

Reassuring! But there are also a lot of American clients and the guards at the border have a lot more discretion to let you in or not, no?

 

[Verbal Kint]

Reassuring! But there are also a lot of American clients and the guards at the border have a lot more discretion to let you in or not, no?

When the guard takes your passport and ask:<< Business or pleasure?>> Don't freeze up, and don't smile like a child getting cookies, say: <<Pleasure!>> and move along.

 

[RobertNYC]

When the guard takes your passport and ask:<< Business or pleasure?>> Don't freeze up, and don't smile like a child getting cookies, say: <<Pleasure!>> and move along.

I usually just say I’m here for GFE all weekend then drive away flashing my CAD stack.

Sound advice, sir. Be brief. Be blunt. Be gone. And don’t ask if the border crossing agent knows Sammy.