If you pay cash no such issue. Why would anyone use a credit card to buy a burner phone???????? Like WTF, that totally defeats the purpose. There are 2 Kings in this world: Cash and Elvis.
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Nice la Presse Article on XO this morning
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If they were to call the clients phone numbers then it would need a team of probably 100 staffs to go through the list, find the identity with cellular providers, make all the follow up calls and write the accusations, 10 district attorneys for the charges and 20 juges! Some here say they can go back 1 year, so lets say 5 girls / day x 7 clients x 365 days = 13,000 validations and inculpations + 10,000 texts with potential clients who didnt book ! That would be the ONLY priority for Montreal police for the next 10 years ! Hahahaha
One thing i remember about LFMJ is that they never advertised on the boards. It was always done through newspaper ads (Le Journal de Montreal, The Mirror, etc) and as long as you had their number written down you were good since the girls listed in their ads didn’t mean much anyway from what i remember. I remember calling a few times when they had a couple of girls with the same name working. Sometimes i noticed girls listed hadn’t worked in weeks. Often girls he mentioned who were working weren’t even listed in their ad. A few times he sent a different girl than the one who was supposed to show up but i didn’t complain since the girls he sent instead were hot as hell. I still remember when i’d call he’d never ask for my name or how to contact me. It was “Where are you located? Okay i got Kim, Josee, Joelle & Natasha available in your area right now. She can be there in 15 minutes. Oh and Josee is also available in about an hour if you want to wait.” I’d say “You already mentioned her.” He’d say “That’s a different one. Another Josee. This one has blond hair, the other one’s a brunette.” If i’d tell him to send Natasha, for example, i had no idea if she’d be the one showing up. Lol. And what i liked about him & the rates structure is that it encouraged multiple hours. First hour was $130 & the extra hours were $100. Often if i liked what i saw i’d immediately tell her othat i wanted to add an hour & she’d tell him when making her call & i was never refused. If by the end of the second hour i wanted to extend i’d tell her & she’d call him & he’d say ok. He even told me once to just call him later if i want to add another hour again. My record with one of his girls was five hours! Lol.
Regarding your question in the last paragraph why there weren’t more incall agencies at the time is that i think there were more of them however they mostly advertised in the newspapers. Many still weren’t too savy with how the internet worked in the early 2000’s or simply had enough business to bother. I remember several independents offering incall. Remember Sophia’s Pleasures? Private Lies was also extremely popular at the time until they got busted. A hobbyist i knew back then was at one of their incall locations when the cops came busting in. He said he managed to escape through a stairwell when he heard a commotion going on & right away figured it could be a bust so he grabbed his clothes & escaped nefore the cops showed up. Another guy i knew was caught in one of their busts & had to show up in court. He had to pay off someone via his lawyer to keep his name out of the papers. I remember him telling me that the person who denounced him was one of the girls he saw whom he suspected was being extorted by the cops.
Or like in Hong Kong, to "try" to reduce the scam scheme using a phone, they'll enact a law that force you to show a real identity in order to purchase a SIM.
How many times will we have to repeat that, absent other aggravating factors, the likelihood that police will try to "track down" a client is extremely low?
I would also add that, of the 153 people arrested for buying sex from an adult in Quebec in 2024 (see my post #843), a large fraction were likely denounced to the police by a sex worker for other criminal acts (e.g. theft, assault). The large year over year increase in the (still very small) number of arrests is likely not mainly due to changing political priorities, as I suggested in my initial post. After further thought and discussion with a source in the industry, I think it's more likely that, in the post #MeToo era, women, including sex workers, feel more empowered to denounce to authorities various forms of abuse by men, and that one direct consequence of this is an increase in arrests for buying sex (see my point above about related criminal acts). I will remind everyone that the current legal framework aims to protect sex workers and to criminalize their clients.
I used to have a Merb account back in the day to check out the ads but I deleted it. This ''debate'' made me want to get involved again, it took me back to a certain era of my life. I'm in my late 40's and have been seeing SP for the last 10 years since a really tough breakup. When I was in my 20s in the 2000s I was pretty wild, I went to raves, goth clubs, kink events and all that stuff. I partied pretty hard and one of my first girlfriends became an escort. She was bipolar and couldn't maintain a normal job more than a few months. When she was manic she would work for an outcall agency many days a week.. at first it was cool, we had money to go on road trips and party more, but pretty fast I realized the job wasn't as glamorous as she told her friends it was. She was bulimic and started using a lot of coke to lose weight, one client slapped her in the face so hard that she had a bruise for an entire week. I had to break up with her. She was hospitalized and went to rehab and was good for a while, then she moved away from Montreal. I didn't hear from her again until 5 years later in Toronto where she was working as an indy. She was still using once in a while but she looked much happier.
I never had trouble getting girlfriends and hookups, I'm involved in the cultural and entertainment scenes and I am pretty good looking, even now at my age. I just got exhausted of having one night stands with girls I'd meet at bars and have to deal with the aftermath. I was also too heart broken after a really long relationship, and I didn't know what I wanted. In 2015 one guy I worked with saw escorts on a regular basis and bragged to the whole team about it. This guy was pretty famous in our scene but he was totally sex obsessed, always wanted to take us to strip clubs after work and so on. It's because of that guy that I decided to try escort agencies, he said the same thing a lot of guys in this discussion said, he told us these girls love what they do. I told him about my ex he said no no, things have changed, try these places, the girls are well paid and well treated and all of this.
Hey to each his own but I only booked indies now. I tried both outcall and incall agencies, probably 5 times and most of these experiences were not really what I was hoping for. I know what it looks like when someone's high, half of these girls were so strung out on coke. I remember one girl told me not to follow her to the bathroom, and I asked her if guys often did that, she said yes. I realized this was also not what I was looking for, it felt impersonal and strange to me. One girl had been crying, god knows what happened before I got there, she started kissing me but I just couldn't get turned on. I have no trouble believing these women were being exploited.
There was one girl I have a fond memory of that I met at an agency, it was the one time I decided to book longer than an hour. She invited me over for dinner and I was really surprised, I hesitated. After a couple drinks she started crying and told me she absolutely hated it there, shared similar stories that have been mentioned here.. She admitted to me that she and other girls tried to hang out with their clients after their shifts so they could see them independently, I felt like shit and gave her some money for her time but declined seeing her after. So yep none of this is surprising to me. I know a few women who used to be in this industry, some my age some younger. If I thought seeing sex workers was a horrible thing I wouldn't be doing it, but i keep in mind what these women and what the SP I see have told me when indulging. Yeah the sex is important but to me what I love the most about meeting escorts is getting to know a beautiful woman and having a good time with her without the responsibility and possible heartache of a relationship
I never had trouble getting girlfriends and hookups, I'm involved in the cultural and entertainment scenes and I am pretty good looking, even now at my age. I just got exhausted of having one night stands with girls I'd meet at bars and have to deal with the aftermath. I was also too heart broken after a really long relationship, and I didn't know what I wanted. In 2015 one guy I worked with saw escorts on a regular basis and bragged to the whole team about it. This guy was pretty famous in our scene but he was totally sex obsessed, always wanted to take us to strip clubs after work and so on. It's because of that guy that I decided to try escort agencies, he said the same thing a lot of guys in this discussion said, he told us these girls love what they do. I told him about my ex he said no no, things have changed, try these places, the girls are well paid and well treated and all of this.
Hey to each his own but I only booked indies now. I tried both outcall and incall agencies, probably 5 times and most of these experiences were not really what I was hoping for. I know what it looks like when someone's high, half of these girls were so strung out on coke. I remember one girl told me not to follow her to the bathroom, and I asked her if guys often did that, she said yes. I realized this was also not what I was looking for, it felt impersonal and strange to me. One girl had been crying, god knows what happened before I got there, she started kissing me but I just couldn't get turned on. I have no trouble believing these women were being exploited.
There was one girl I have a fond memory of that I met at an agency, it was the one time I decided to book longer than an hour. She invited me over for dinner and I was really surprised, I hesitated. After a couple drinks she started crying and told me she absolutely hated it there, shared similar stories that have been mentioned here.. She admitted to me that she and other girls tried to hang out with their clients after their shifts so they could see them independently, I felt like shit and gave her some money for her time but declined seeing her after. So yep none of this is surprising to me. I know a few women who used to be in this industry, some my age some younger. If I thought seeing sex workers was a horrible thing I wouldn't be doing it, but i keep in mind what these women and what the SP I see have told me when indulging. Yeah the sex is important but to me what I love the most about meeting escorts is getting to know a beautiful woman and having a good time with her without the responsibility and possible heartache of a relationship
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The Path to Paradise,
Thanks for your post and perspective. Your post reminded me of, perhaps, the best memory of the time I spent as an active participant as client of escorts from 2000-2017 which were my so called peak years. In the summer of 2004 I met an agency escort at the then Hyatt at the Complex Desjardins, which I think is now a Doubletree. Anyway, met her for what I recall was a 2 hour date. We got along well. At the end of the date, she was not leaving my room. It was strange to me. I then asked her if she had some other bookings. She told me she did not. She was very cool about it and continued conversation with me, showing no signs of wanting to leave. I believe I had booked her for a 4-6 pm time slot. As 6:30 p.m. rolled around and she was still in my room, I was getting really hungry. So I asked her, "hey, I am hungry, want to get dinner?" And she said yes. We ended up spending another 4-5 hours together, walked all over the city, and finally had a late dinner at some Italian restaurant on rue de la Montagne, which I cannot remember the name of and is no longer there, anyway. It was a truly wonderful evening and spending it with her was worth way more than the 2 hours I paid her for. I did end up seeing her again, once or twice, but then she vanished from the business and disappeared. Was one of the better experiences I ever had with an escort from the social if not sexual standpoint.
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2004 seems like a much different time. This would be around the era that a I dated this woman I am talking about in my earlier comment. Maybe she was lying, but even though she had such a rough time, the conditions seemed a little different. She didn't have to see as many clients in a row and ''GFE'' wasn't as much of a thing back then its seems. One thing that was hard for her was that she was expected to look and act like everyone else. She told me all of the girls were blonde and skinny and under 30, she eventually bleached and straightened her beautiful curly red hair because her boss told her she looked messy. Her agency refused to hire her friend who was very normal, because she wasn't thin enough. Over the years, more than one SP told me they felt pressured by clients to hang out with them after bookings or talk to them all the time. It was not so obvious to me at first but I realized after talking about many women who are in this industry and have been before, that I am paying for their time. What I understood was that for these girls working for agencies, it will be more advantageous to see clients outside in order to be better paid or maybe get a sugar daddy or two. They don't know how to work outside of the agency perhaps. There is one indy who hung out with me at the park to share some drinks after a 3 hour date last summer. It was a really cool moment and I hope she didn't feel like she had to do that to keep seeing me, but we have an awesome connection so I think it was sincere. Most indies in general have been generous with their time when they could, but I understand that this can come at a cost for them.
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It makes me think that the difficulty in maintaining close intimate relationship, either as a cause or consequence of long term involvement in the sex industry (clients and providers alike), would be an interesting topic for discussion. That would be for another thread, or a Master's thesis.
Hey you are misunderstanding what I said, man. I would not say that escorts have difficulty with relationships. On the contrary, a lot of the women I've met this way were quite empathetic and had put a lot of emphasis on their friendships, some worked with their best friend. It's naive to think these beautiful girls don't have partners, a lot of them actually do. I also made the choice to see escorts instead of dating again for a while. When this 7 year relationship of mine ended I saw SP for a few years but I have had other girlfriends since. In between relationships I'd just rather see SP until I feel ready to date. I even saw a SP with a woman I was dating a few years ago, we were in an open relationship at the time. (her choice) The way I see some men write about escorts on this site and on this thread, I doubt they have much success with women at all, no offense, but that's not everyone.
Under current law:
What Agencies do is illegal.
What clients do is illegal.
What Companies that accept advertising do is illegal.
What the providers do isn’t.
Was with someone a few years who called a well known manager/booker there in front of me at the end of our rdv. She told me that “she” was great and took good care of her. The “she” moved on to . . .
An hour with a therapist is 50 minutes.
They only review/write notes.
They don’t have to change sheets, clean up & make themselves beautiful.
At least with an Outcall, there’s a physical & mental break in between.
As some are probably aware, 2 woman took their own lives in the last few years. There were condolences on here.
Understand peoples lives are complicated and this can’t be blamed on one thing.
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