Some of the clients are defending XO so hard I wonder if they run or used to run an unethical agency.
Nice la Presse Article on XO this morning
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why does this debate always come down to the same old tropes. If you are respectful, clean, polite, not too demanding (and a tip is always appreciated), it is a win-win. You are not "using" a woman. She made herself available, for a price, under certain conditions, and if you respect those conditions, she is happy. That is not the difinition of "using someone".
I don’t necessarily disagree with you.
It is hard to explain.
I spent over 35 years with the woman of my dreams I never expected to lose her to cancer so seeing escorts was never in my plans or on my radar.
It is still hard to adjust and not think that paying someone for sex is not somehow contributing to using women.
I know the ladies I am seeing are happy and don’t take it that way otherwise they wouldn’t be seeing me for over 8 years and they wouldn’t consider me as a friend.
As far as being polite treating them with kindness and respect that has never been an issue and that is the least that every woman deserves.
Plus you don’t have the slightest feeling of uneasiness when seeing a women half your age who is the same age as your children, because I do.no matter how many times I tell myself exactly what you have just said.
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I wonder what happened to the original poster. They dropped a bomb and fled the scene, never to be seen or heard from again.
The thread has become nothing more than a vehicle for the cast of characters on Merb to vent their rage and point fingers at one another. Entertainment at its finest and very informative about the character of many Merbites.
I am confident the original poster is sitting back with some popcorn and beer and enjoying the spectacle this thread has become.
The thread has become nothing more than a vehicle for the cast of characters on Merb to vent their rage and point fingers at one another. Entertainment at its finest and very informative about the character of many Merbites.
I am confident the original poster is sitting back with some popcorn and beer and enjoying the spectacle this thread has become.
Excellent (translated) post by an agency owner. French version:
Excellent (translated) post by an agency owner. English version:
Hi everyone, I don’t think any agency owner wants to address this because it’s a sensitive topic. Having been in the business for a very long time, I can tell you that no girl is forced to work in agencies (at least not the ones I’ve known personally over the years). The girls decide their own schedules. They decide how long they want their breaks to be between clients and how many clients they want to see. Whether the girls want to see 3 clients or 12, we respect their choice. If they want a one-hour break in the middle of their shift to eat and relax, we’re happy to accommodate that. The girls also decide how many days they work.
If a girl says in the middle of her shift that she wants to leave because she’s not feeling well, we don’t force her to stay. Be honest, how many clients have had an appointment canceled because the girl wasn’t feeling well? As soon as a girl asks to block a client, we do it immediately and ask her for a reason so we can leave notes. Just because a girl has blocked a client doesn’t mean he’s automatically blocked from the agency—it depends on the reason. If a girl tells me a client went bareback, he’s automatically blocked from the agency, and his number is also shared with other agencies to prevent him from doing the same thing elsewhere as much as possible!
If the reason is that they didn’t click or that the client was acting up that day, I’ll just block him for that specific girl and make a note of it. If other girls file complaints for the same reasons, the client is blocked from the agency. The job is already hard enough for the girls without forcing them to deal with clients they don’t want to see. Every girl who does this work should do it for the right reasons and respect herself in the process. If a girl isn’t happy somewhere, I strongly encourage her to switch agencies and try somewhere else. For clients who act like jerks because they’re paying and think they have every right over the girls, I’d ask you to rent a porn movie instead of booking a girl. It’s because of rare clients like you that the industry gets a bad reputation. If a client is blocked by the agency, NO, we don’t assign him to a girl who has no clients—that comment I read makes no sense. Clients are blocked for a reason, so we don’t unblock them (except for a few exceptions based on the reason for the block, such as multiple last-minute appointment cancellations. If the client pays for the time he made the girl lose, then we unblock him and leave a rating). I’d like to clarify that when a client pays for an appointment, the girl gets her money! It’s very important to me that the girls are paid for the time booked because another client could have taken the spot you took.
What about late fees for clients? I’ve never heard of that in my life. Can a girl be charged $20 if she’s late for the start of her shift? Yes, it’s happened before! I can count on one hand the number of times that’s happened; it’s not a common occurrence. If a girl is late for every shift or most of the time and the client is waiting downstairs, that’s neither respectful nor professional. It takes a very, very long time before they’d charge $20 for that. We’re talking about more than 20 warnings. If this girl worked a conventional job, tardiness wouldn’t be tolerated. Is it to take advantage and make an extra $20 off the girl’s back? ABSOLUTELY NOT! It’s to send a clear message about punctuality because it’s unprofessional to always be late. Many clients book based on their own schedules, and it’s difficult when the girls are late for them and vice versa. The few girls who were charged for being late understood, thanks to the fee (I should point out that $20 now gets you a bunch of bananas and a dozen eggs, so it’s not much), that they had to be on time. So for $20, after 20 warnings (and sometimes credits given to clients at the agency’s expense), the girls are starting to show up on time (which is the specific goal of charging this $20: to have punctual girls).
When it comes to cancellations by the girls, it’s the same thing: if a girl rarely cancels, we have no problem with that—unexpected things happen. If a girl cancels every week with a million excuses and the clients have planned their schedules specifically around the girls, then yes, we charge a cancellation fee (again, if there’s a fee, it’s because the girl has canceled countless times before!). If a girl cancels due to an STI, we ask for proof of test results and remove her from the schedule until she’s recovered. With positive results, we notify the clients she’s seen who are at risk of contracting it, and it’s their responsibility to contact other agencies to report they’re positive so that the agency in question can follow up with the girls they’ve seen. Is it risky? Yes! It’s GFE, so of course every girl and every client is at risk with every appointment. If you don’t want to take any risks, don’t kiss, don’t lick her vagina, and use a condom for oral sex.
As for violence against girls, the few cases I’ve heard of all ended up with the police (unfortunately, this mostly happens to independent workers). All the agencies have security on standby to intervene if there’s a problem. If there really had been violence like the report claims, the place would have been shut down long ago. I’m not a fan of XO—not at all, in fact—but I know several girls who work there, and the report is far, very far from reality. According to reliable sources, the girl in the report made up this story because her father found out she was an escort, and this was her way of escaping judgment from her family. Think about it for a minute, please—would the police have given her back her phone after months without extracting the information? In fact, they saw that she was a willing participant, that she knew what she was doing. I’m not defending XO—really, I’m not—but I am defending the industry.
XO was a nightmare with the girls, the drugs, and the rapes of girls that I’ve heard about, but we’re talking about a few months or a year before it closed. If we go back to 2021, XO was “okay.” Samuel is solely responsible for the downfall of his agency. It wasn’t the employees, who, from what I’ve heard, weren’t aware of everything that was going on at the agency.
Over the years I’ve spent in the industry, I’ve helped a few girls who had a pimp. I’ve personally gone to the police station with those girls to help them get out of that situation. There’s a big difference between a pimp who takes advantage of girls, exploits their vulnerabilities, and takes all their money. To those who view agencies as pimps, I have one more question for you. Do you have a regular job? Yes? So do you consider yourself a pimp? No? If you work for Maxi and sell 20 heads of lettuce in an hour, which comes to $120 (this is just an example—please don’t argue with me about the price, thanks), and out of that $120 you’re paid $15, does that seem fair to you? If you sell a sexual service for a company in one hour, which comes to $270, and you’re paid $200, doesn’t that seem unfair to you? If you don’t want to be someone’s employee (no matter the field), you have to start your own company. At that point, you’ll have employees of your own, and it’s a never-ending cycle because, depending on your perspective, you’ll have become a pimp.
With that said, is there still room for improvement in the industry? Yes! Should you believe everything you read? No! To ensure the girls’ maximum safety, all agencies should support one another by reporting dangerous or potentially dangerous clients. Should the business be legalized? Yes, 100%. If the government has legalized weed (which isn’t essential), then yes, in my opinion, it should be legalized because everyone needs human contact in life to feel good. Have a good day, and I hope I’ve answered your questions. Now, if you want to close this never-ending thread, it’s about time! Thank you.
I would think most agency owners right now would be quite happy if this thread was closed.
Not exactly the best publicity for them by a long shot.
No wonder he wants it closed and silenced.
Of course it is an unbiased request to close it lol.
What he seems to be saying is that most violence is perpetrated against independents, while agency girls are protected by the agency's internal security officer(s).
I listened to the whole interview with "Clementine" very carefully. This is what i retained about her story with XO (she worked for them in 2020)
- They never asked for ID even though she was 19 at the time
- They told her she would not have to do anything she does not want to do, she does not even necessarily have to sleep with clients
- But, they intentionnaly sent her a violent client as a first client, to "break her in". According to her, this is a well known and common practice in the industry
- A majority of clients are there to "hurt girls intentionnaly", to beat the girls and physically assault them (her words)
- If a girl "falls behind schedule", she has to pay for that, to the point where she could finish her day in the negative
- Nobody would accept these work conditions, nobody would accept to be "beaten" like that (her words again)
That is a blatant lie. Women in this industry have experienced some kind of violence no matter what. At massage parlors I have been brutalized, stealthed, assaulted, stolen from, etc. Whether you are independent or working for an agency or parlor, unfortunately you will experience violence or you are at risk. I was assaulted repeatedly at a massage parlor I worked at. I was told later that these were clients nobody wanted to see. I have friends who have worked for agencies who experienced similar things.
That is the most fucked up dick move for employee orientation.
It is a common practice to send aggressive and shitty clients to new girls at establishments like these. I have experienced this myself. I don't know if it's to ''break the girl in''. My interpretation is that nobody else wanted to see these clients, so they sent them to the new girls or less popular girls.
However, her saying that ''the majority of clients are there to hurt girls intentionally'' is her interpreting what she experienced.. I don't doubt that she has had her fair share of bad experiences tho. Like I said, a new, naive 19 year old girl will attract predators. It sucks but it's true.
No.
He's saying that independent file a police report. Not that most violence are perpetrated against independent.
It's even a worse depicted picture for agency girls imo ...
I personally never filed a police report against a client who assaulted me simply because bad clients often refuse to screen even minimally, and also the police doesn't really care about us. I also don't think it's worth it. I'm not a vindictive person. I just want to be well treated and I want others to be well treated too.
And imagine if drugs are the picture.
The debt is neverending and the coercion is perfectly executed.
J'essaie de trouver une façon d'exprimer ça correctement. Le fait d'avoir une dépendance à la drogue ou des dettes, ou le fait d'être dans la pauvreté.. est ce que ça diminue le consentement? Je ne le sais pas. Personnellement, je pense que ce qui est pertinent, c'est de savoir si une fille est encouragée par son patron à consommer, et si les conditions de travail deviennent tellement stressantes et sont tellement mauvaises qu'elles poussent certaines filles à consommer pour passer à travers leur shift de travail.
Autrement, je pense que si le client est respectueux, il n'a pas a se soucier de la sobriété de la travailleuse.. Sauf si il tient à utiliser ça contre elle, et sauf si elle est tellement gelée qu'elle n'est pas en état de consentir.
her words are exactely "la première journée..ils vont souvent envoyer quelqu'un pour t'abuser sexuellement, pour un peu te briser, c'est vraiment un système qui est connu''.
That sounds a lot like ''breaking the girl in'' to me. Not, ''send the asshole client to the less popular girls'', not ''send the asshole client to the new girl because no one else will take them'', but more like ''we will send the asshole client to the new girl on her first day to break her ''. That is exactely what she said. And that this is a ''known practice''.
Maybe I am naive after all, but i certainly hope this is not a ''known practice''... Like @EastWind said ''That is the most fucked up dick move for employee orientation.'' lol
Also, on a purely business level, how can you possibly retain talent if you traumautize people on the first day?
It's something that happened to me.. I don't know if it's a ''known practice''. Other colleagues have had horrible clients on their first day, but probably not everyone. Some girls I know were asked for BBFs on their first days by clients at some agencies.
I'm not sure if it's to break the girl in, or if it's just because girls are disposable and clients are not, according to some employers maybe. The girls might not have told their employers either. Some of the clients nobody want to see are also faithful clients.. probably precisely because no one wants to see them, and some employers might want to keep them around because they have been there this whole time. Sometimes because their behavior became worse over the years. I don't really know.
All I know is that there are clients I have seen, who assaulted me or were horrible years ago, who still go to agencies and parlors and post reviews here. That means their patronage is valuable in my opinion, and I doubt I'm the only one who had a bad experience. And honestly I don't want to put the focus on specific clients or talk about them anymore. It's a slippery slope.
I think what we can safely conclude is that girls who are new in the industry, particularly new at a specific work place, will be ''tested'' and will get a ton of shitty clients. I don't know if it's on purpose because it could also be that most clients don't want to ''try a new girl'' to avoid being disappointed, yet predators see an opportunity. Whether they are indies or agency or spa girls.
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With this article all has been revealed and questions answered.
For those wondering what happened to XO as many here were inquiring and speculated.
For those wondering what happened to XO as many here were inquiring and speculated.
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