Quite true, EB, but I think it's really that they "like" great players and a lot of those great players happen to be "Eurodudes". It probably has to do with the fact that Detroit has long had GREAT scouting, particularly in Europe. Of course they have long NEEDED this great scouting because unlike some teams that are perennially near the bottom of the standings (23rd or lower, for example) Detroit ALWAYS does well and therefore never has the luxury of high draft picks.
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Quite true, EB, but I think it's really that they "like" great players and a lot of those great players happen to be "Eurodudes". It probably has to do with the fact that Detroit has long had GREAT scouting, particularly in Europe. Of course they have long NEEDED this great scouting because unlike some teams that are perennially near the bottom of the standings (23rd or lower, for example) Detroit ALWAYS does well and therefore never has the luxury of high draft picks.
Time to add to your list a diehard LA King fan since their entry in the NHL. "The Cup is ours!" :nod:
The thread is still ongoing and you have come to a conclusion. A little pompous are we?
Detroit, along with, Montreal, Boston, Chicago and New York, have had successful seasons. Of the original six, the leafs are losers, both in the organization
and culture of the team.
Lighten up.
In my books, attacking someone personally is poor sportsmanship.
Look on the bright side for the leafs this season, there is a really good draft this coming June.
Indeed. That's why Detroit has also been known as "team Europe" for the past decade or so.
A couple of years ago, an acquaintance was speaking with coach Mike Babcock (who will be known as 'former Red Wings coach' once this season ends) at one of the recent entry drafts & Babcock was expressing his frustration with the team's scouting staff. "We've sucked at scouting for years", he fumed. "Our asses have been saved year after year by our European scout!"
What Babcock was alluding to was true. Most of Detroit's top picks never make it. It's picks from the late rounds, usually from Europe, that have saved the organization's bacon for the past 10-15 years. Were it not for the skills of the European scout, Detroit would likely be in last place with the likes of Edmonton year after year.
You have posted this same fiction many times in the past and each time I have given the FACTS to prove that it is completely incorrect.
I guess it's time (sigh) to do it yet again...so here are the FACTS:
The FACT is that Detroit, due to its consistently fine performances, has had virtually NO "top picks" in the time frame you mentioned. Let's look at the period 2000 to 2014 and compare Detroit's top two draft pick positions to Toronto's:
2000 - DET 29 and 38, TO 24 and 51
2001 - DET 62 and 121, TO 17 and 39
2002 - DET 58 and 63, TO 24 and 57
2003 - DET 64 and 132, TO 57 and 91
2004 - DET 97 and 128, TO 90 and 113
2005 - DET 19 and 42, TO 21 and 82
2006 - DET 41 and 47, TO 13 and 44
2007 - DET 27 and 88, TO 74 and 99
2008 - DET 30 and 91, TO 5 and 60
2009 - DET 32 and 60, TO 7 AND 50
2010 - DET 21 and 51, TO 43 and 62
2011 - DET 35 and 48, TO 22 and 25
2012 - DET 49 and 80, TO 5 and 35
2013 - DET 20 and 48, TO 21 and 82
2014 - DET 15 and 63, TO 8 and 68
Detroit has had a mere 7 picks from the top 30 since 2000. Of those 7, ZERO were in the top 10, and only 3 were in the top 20. Its HIGHEST pick was 15.
Compare to Toronto, which had 12 picks from the top 30, including FOUR from the top 10 and another and another 2 in the top 20. And this DESPITE the fact that Toronto also GAVE AWAY several high draft picks. For example in 2010 number TWO (!) Tyler Seguin, #32 (Jared Knight) and in 2011 number NINE (Dougie Hamilton) all in the Kessel trade.
By the way, of all the picks for Detroit and Toronto in the first 2 rounds since 2000, Detroit has taken exactly ONE more player from European leagues than Toronto has (9 versus 8).
Oh and by the way is there something WRONG with taking topnotch European talent? Maybe the Leafs would KILL to have had "Eurodudes" (thanks EB:thumb
like Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Lidstrom, Kronwall, Fedorov, Holmstrom, etc., etc, over the years. Maybe the Leafs might even have made the playoffs more than ONCE in the past decade with some of those "Eurodudes"!Here are just SOME of Detroit's brilliant draft picks and their point of selection:
Mrazek 141, Tatar 60, Nyquist 121 (!!!!), Abdelkader 42, Helm 132, Franzen 97, Howard 64, Quincey 132, Kronwall 29, Zetterberg 210 (!!!!!!!!!!), Datsyuk 171 (!!!!!!!!!!!), Holmstrom 257 (!!!).
And Toronto? Glad you asked:
Luke Schenn 5 (how'd that work out?), Jiri Tlusty 13 (Claude Giroux went 21st that year - could the Leafs have perhaps chosen better?), Kadri 7, Morgan Rielly 5. They DID get Tuukka Rask at 21...and that DID work out very well...for the BRUINS, that is, after the Leafs traded him for (drum roll please) Andrew Freakin' Raycroft!
Case closed.
Excellent points Doc and maybe just maybe that is why "Babs" wants out of the motor city aka the worst city in America and if you are correct that he wants to come to the big T then who could blame him. Going from detroit to a city like Toronto is like winning the lottery :lol:
Oh here we go again. Now it's 'acquaintance' last time was 'source', 'hearsay' and so on and so on.
By the way, Mr. Babcock does not talk in that fashion and would never talk about the scouting staff for Detroit. Never. What bullshit.
All made up, Doc. Nice try.
The reasons why Babcock will leave the wings are numerous. But the main one is the fact the owner and the GM are too cheap to pay him what he wants & deserves. He's fully aware that there are other teams in the league who have a better appreciation of his coaching abilities and are willing to make him the highest-paid coach in the league.
The current season couldn't end soon enough as far as Mr. Babcock is concerned.
I wonder if this will be as accurate as some of your earlier predictions. Two recent examples: 1. The Wings will not make the playoffs this season or the next five (made during the 2013-2014 season, before the Wings clinched a playoff spot for the 23rd consecutive season...and also before the Leafs failed to make the playoffs for even the second time in a decade). 2. The Yankees will finish last. Now I don't like the Yankees either...but something tells me that was another Holliday prediction that failed to cut the mustard.
Maybe Dr. Babcock will leave the Wings (please note that team names should be capitalized, by the way) and maybe not - time will tell. But it's a bit presumptuous to be predicting it with such certainty at this time, especially with your track record of previous failed predictions.
Well, perhaps - that is, if "winning the lottery" means going from a team with 4 Stanley Cups in the past 17 years to a team with ZERO Stanley Cups in the last 47 YEARS.
Or, perhaps it is - if "winning the lottery" means going from a team that has made the playoffs for 23 consecutive seasons to a team that has made the playoffs exactly ONCE in the past decade (and in a shortened season...before the Leafs could have their usual gutless late-season collapse).
Yes, maybe it is - if "winning the lottery" means going from a team with the best ownership in hockey to a team with the most LAUGHABLE ownership in hockey.
It might be - if "winning the lottery" means going from a team with the best GM in hockey (and the second best of all time) to a team with recent revolving-door GMs such as John Ferguson Jr. (giggle), Brian Burke (laugh) and Dave Nonis (chuckle).
By the way, names of cities are supposed to be capitalized.
Taylor Hall may miss up to a month with MCL sprain
Taylor Hall suffered a knee injury in last night's game against Vancouver & we just learned that he may miss up to a month. This is devastating news to the Oilers, who had been playing extremely well lately.
Taylor Hall suffered a knee injury in last night's game against Vancouver & we just learned that he may miss up to a month. This is devastating news to the Oilers, who had been playing extremely well lately.
Pornstar Lisa Ann publiclly shames Flyers defenceman Michael Del Zotto
Del Zotto shamed by ex-porn gf
Del Zotto shamed by ex-porn gf
It just shows that social media has socially retarded celebrities. If you read Derek Sanderson or Phil Esposito's books those guys went to bars and had no trouble getting laid. For del Zotto to have to ask third parties to hook him up shows he is a social retard. I mean even if you play for the Flyers, man the fuck up and arrange your own dates. WTF.
Here is the NY Post article which exposes all the tweets on this subject......I suspect del Zotto will be getting endless abuse over this on the ice......whenever he next hits ice. These tweets are pretty funny:
http://nypost.com/2014/11/02/porn-star-is-sick-of-being-michael-del-zottos-wingman/
http://nypost.com/2014/11/02/porn-star-is-sick-of-being-michael-del-zottos-wingman/
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