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2015 /2016 Habs thread. GO HABS GO !

Doc Holliday

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Thank you for your input, CA. I agree with nearly everything you wrote. However, our opinions differ in a couple of cases:

-I can't see Galchenyuk playing center. He is not a playmaker and holds on to the puck way too long, which is very frustrating for the rest of the players on the ice. I believe the mistake was keeping up with the big club the moment they drafted him. I said so at the time. I felt he was too young to start his career immediately with the big club and especially in Montreal. He had also barely played in his last season of junior to a serious knee injury. I would have sent him back to junior for more seasoning.

-I was never a big Paccioretty fan. I never liked his skating and felt he scored too many lucky goals (and many empty-netters) which overshadowed his actual play. I never saw him as 'captain' material. But who else?? Gallagher is regarded as being more of a third-line player and doesn't seem very talkative. He's also still young. I'm also not sure about his longetivity considering the style he plays and his small stature.

-David Desharnais. Would he still be with the habs had his name been Joe Smith?

-Tomas Plekanec. Le Col Roule. Mr. Turtleneck. I can't fathom why Bergevin signed him to a two-year extension for $12 million. This was a ridiculous move! I wonder if Bergevin was sober when he made that decision. Same thing with Markov.

-PK Subban. I still believe this guy is overrated and he's become a liability on the ice. He's no longer a factor on the powerplay. He has yet to learn that you don't need to shoot the puck 140 miles an hour in order to score a goal. He always misses the net. His backswing on his slapshot is too high and that's why he misses the net so many times and why opposing players have the time to move on him in order to block his shot or prevent him from shooting. He needs to keep it simple. He also needs to get off the ice after one minute and not play the entire powerplay. I'd bet you that taking him off the powerplay and putting the likes of Barbario and Petry (or Beaulieu) instead would bring some results. I also firmly believe he's a distraction off the ice and that half the team would love to shut him up and beat him up.

-Michel Therrien. I just don't get some of his moves. Dale Fucking Wiese on the powerplay?? Why??? I don't have time to mention all the other questionable moves he's made lately.

-Marc Bergevin. What exactly has he done to improve the habs since his hiring? This guy is lucky he replaced Pierre Gauthier, who was literally driven out of town by the media. What were Bergevin's best moves so far? Tomas Vanek comes to mind. But he was lucky when he got Vanek since he had been traded to the Leafs previously, but the Leafs couldn't free any cap space in order to get him on their roster. The Isles then panicked at the last minute of the deadline and quickly sent him to Mtl instead of winding up with nothing. The other move was getting Petry from Edmonton. Now people aren't so sure re-signing him to that long and expensive contract was a good idea. He's back to playing like Jeff Petry. The "Jeff Petry" very familiar to Oilers fans. A very low-scoring, mistake-prone and soft 'average' defenceman. I could also name you a dozen questionable moves that Bergevin has made. The recent John Scott/Jarred Tinordi debacle is a most recent example.

-Geoff Molson. He needs to put more pressure on his GM in order to force him into improving the team. Bergevin acts like he's got a job for life. Bergevin has also put himself in a corner by telling the world recently that there is no way he'll fire Michel Therrien this season.

And finally, i'm tired of the 'Carey Price' excuses. Price is likely past his prime and every season his knees have been troublesome. He'll likely have to undergo knee surgery. How will he be when he comes back? And since he'll be 30 in a couple of seasons, the team will have to stop counting on him so much. On top of that, there is no guarantee he'll re-sign with the habs once he becomes UFA. I'm not even sure the habs will be able to re-sign him considering they're paying PK Subban an average of $9 million US a season and Paccioretty will also be due for a raise in a couple of years.
 

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I agree with you Doc. :) Hope they show up and play tonight! GHG!

CA OUT!
 

Doc Holliday

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Familiar story: habs lost again. This time to one of the worst teams in hockey, the Buffalo Sabres. Embarrassing!

After the game, several sources have hinted that Carey Price likely won't be back with the team this season and the team will soon announce he'll be shut-down for the rest of the season. I'm starting to wonder if he'll ever come back with the habs at all. A goalie approaching the 30's with bad knees is never a good combination. Are Carey Price's best years behind him??? It's a very real possibility.

In my previous post, i forgot to mention Nathan Beaulieu. What a huge disappointment!!!! He's also got a reputation as a bad-boy off the ice, so it wouldn't surprise me to see him get traded this season. To be honest, i never saw in him what habs upper management saw. He's been dubbed as an offensive defenceman, yet he hasn't done anything yet. Plus, if you look at his numbers in junior, there is no reason to believe that he'd ever become an elite offensive defenceman in the NHL. He's also terrible defensively and makes many bad decisions. No, i fear that Nate the Great's habs career will soon come to an end.

I've also learned that Michel Therrien will likely be fired within the next few days. Marc Bergevin will have to admit he erred in guaranteeing Therrien's job two weeks ago and will tell the media he didn't have a choice but to fire his good friend in order to wake up the team. If you ask me, Bergevin should get fired also. No coach would be able to accomplish anything considering the lack of talent provided by the GM.
 
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I saw the game last night and it was embarrassing. Changes are needed. The only good thing to come of this is high draft pick. I now know what it feels like to be a maple leafs fan. It's not fun. Reminds me of what Brian Burke once said, you guys know what I 'm talking about. I feel your pain!
 

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I never thought that I would see the greatest collapse in the history of the Montreal Canadiens franchise going from one of the best teams sitting in first place in the Eastern Conference early in the season to becoming the NHL's worst team. Michel Therien is probably a deer in headlights now.
 

CockAsian69

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Weird, my post was not posted.
Have to sum up what I recall I posted. MT is guaranteed by MB to stay till the end of the season. They both need to go, they have done dick all to help the situation.
I wonder how much the Kreider hit was instrumental in this travesty of a season? If that had not happened, would we have won the cup that year? I think someone needs to take that repeat offender out!
What do you think the Habs were promised in return for the Scott debacle? Was it tank and guarantee to get first pick overall? What could have enticed MB to make that trade to make Scott go away? On that note, wasn't that the most watchable ASG in a while? Thoughts?

CA OUT!!!
 

Doc Holliday

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Former habs player and coach Guy Carbonneau met with upper habs management yesterday for three hours to discuss an upcoming role with the team. It's assumed he may be hired as one of Therrien's advisors or assistants. If you want my guess, it's to possibly replace Therrien until the end of the season.
 

Doc Holliday

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Congratulations to all-star forward John Scott on the birth of twin girls yesterday. It's been quite a week for the big guy! :thumb:
 

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Three game win streak! Woah!
Go Habs, GO!
 

Doc Holliday

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Word around the habs this morning is that there is no way Carey Price will return this season unless the habs make the playoffs. And there is no guarantee he'll be able to suit up even if they do make the playoffs. Of course, Therrien denied those rumours yesterday. Have Therrien or Bergevin ever lied?? :lol:
 

CockAsian69

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Well I doubt it. If there is any doubt, watch the game tonight. Losing yet again to BUFFALO! GOD DAMN! Yes I have changed the channel now...

CA OUT!
 

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Price, if he comes back and is once again the player he was before the injury, is going to break the bank on his next contract, not likely will they be able to have Price, subban, max pac and gallagher together for the long term. Price will get the highest per season contract in the history of the NHL for a goalie, subban at 9mil (bad contract) Max pac will commande at least 7 mil per season on his next contract and gallagher at least 6 mil most likely...one of those four will have to be traded within the next 3 seasons, lots of "IF" scenarios though.

Well I doubt it. If there is any doubt, watch the game tonight. Losing yet again to BUFFALO! GOD DAMN! Yes I have changed the channel now...

CA OUT!
 

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Price, if he comes back and is once again the player he was before the injury, is going to break the bank on his next contract, not likely will they be able to have Price, subban, max pac and gallagher together for the long term. Price will get the highest per season contract in the history of the NHL for a goalie, subban at 9mil (bad contract) Max pac will commande at least 7 mil per season on his next contract and gallagher at least 6 mil most likely...one of those four will have to be traded within the next 3 seasons, lots of "IF" scenarios though.

Sigh... Subban way overpaid. Even more over rated. Offensively he can be a spark and he can be exciting to watch, but he is not great at defense and worse, he tends to try too hard and ends up making a mistake that costs the team points.

Price is likely not going to get back to form. His play has improved drastically with Waite as the goaltending coach, but the injuries will probably be too much to overcome. He is still unproven in the playoffs though (more losses than wins) so I would not put too much stock into him getting a huge contract.

Patches needs to get more consistent and to be honest, him always playing with Desharnais is not helping. He is not captain material, very slow and bland. He also cherry-picks and I don't see the effort much lately.

Gally is the only one of the 4 that is consistent. He deserves to be Captain, always gives his 100%. Always in the middle of things and plays way bigger than he is.

Of the 4, who would be the one to let go of? No easy answer to be sure, but I hope that things fall into place so that we can make one more run with these guys on the team.

CA OUT!
 

Doc Holliday

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gallagher at least 6 mil most likely.

No. Last season, the habs decided to bypass offering him a bridge contract and signed him to a 6-year contract extension which will end in 2021. It's a team-friendly $3.75 million cap hit.

The deal will pay Gallagher $5.5M in 2015-16, $4.5M in 2016-17, $2.75M in 2017-18, $3M in 2018-19, $4M in 2019-20 and $2.75M in 2020-21.

For once, it seems that Marc Bergevin got it right.
 

Doc Holliday

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Sigh... Subban way overpaid. Even more over rated. Offensively he can be a spark and he can be exciting to watch, but he is not great at defense and worse, he tends to try too hard and ends up making a mistake that costs the team points.

Price is likely not going to get back to form. His play has improved drastically with Waite as the goaltending coach, but the injuries will probably be too much to overcome. He is still unproven in the playoffs though (more losses than wins) so I would not put too much stock into him getting a huge contract.

Patches needs to get more consistent and to be honest, him always playing with Desharnais is not helping. He is not captain material, very slow and bland. He also cherry-picks and I don't see the effort much lately.

Gally is the only one of the 4 that is consistent. He deserves to be Captain, always gives his 100%. Always in the middle of things and plays way bigger than he is.

I agree with most of what you said. Look, i'll be honest: i'd take PK on my team anytime, but not for a cap-hit of $9 million a season. He's all offense and show. But right now his team is one of the worst offensive teams in the league and sucks donkey balls on the powerplay, so i'm not sure what kind of offense he actually brings to the team. In my book, he's not even among the top 20 NHL defensemen. Sure, he has a big shot....but Marc-Andre Bergeron also had a very big shot and i don't even think he's even playing hockey anymore.

Pacioretty. What a disappointment. Very inconsistent. He doesn't always come to play. He stays away from the corners. He plays scared. He has a history of serious injuries. The captaincy has obviously affected his play. Sure, he's not typical 'captain' material, but who else do they have?? Gallagher would be a 3rd-liner on most of the other teams. He's pint-sized. The habs should be tired of having pint-sized captains after Koivu and Gionta, so i can't see Gallagher ever being named captain. Heck, i'm starting to think that PK should have been named captain!

Gallagher. Players his size who play his type of game don't last very long in this league due to the considerable physical beating they take. He missed time in the past due to a concussion. If he keeps on playing this style (which he must), he'll get more concussions. I see him as a poor man's Brad Marchand. Maybe not as hateful as Marchand, but very close. But Marchand is much more talented than Gallagher. And since he plays a different style than Gallagher's, he'll last longer in this league.

And finally, Carey Price. He's become injury-prone. He'll likely require surgery on his right knee during the off-season. He'll be very good again, but due to his age & history of injuries he won't be as good as he once was. He'll also expect to be the league's highest-paid goaltender once his current contract ends. My guess is that the habs will re-sign him, but they'll have to free up some cap space in order to do so. It wouldn't surprise me entirely if Price chose to move out west and end his career there. He'd also love playing in Nashville. He once referred to it as 'paradise' due to his great love of country music.

By the way, i learned the other day that this is the final year for the habs to be able to trade PK Subban. His no-trade clause kicks in after this season. So who knows what could happen. People keep complaining that they haven't had a bonafide #1 center for the past 15-20 years. The only way they'll ever come close to getting one is by trading someone like PK Subban. But i doubt Marc Bergevin has the gonads to make such a trade. He's very gun-shy.
 
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I am disappointed with the leadership on the habs. Only Subban has stepped up.
 
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