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Hello fellaz, i am newbie i want to expereince indys companionship , but hesitate on providing personal details and i dont have references as well.

Any newbie friendly indy and does not ask for screening?

Thanks apologize in advance if this has been asked before !
That is why I much prefer going through reliable agencies. Much less hassle, safe, and enough variety for all tastes.
 
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Deposits do not provide any safety for an SP that is pure BS, it does get rid of time wasters and cancellations.
I already state the same thing on another thread, I only included it among the other new thing asked by more and more providers here in Mtl.
 

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Yes it is changing for sure, simply because clients are complying, and as Anna has said some SP still don’t have the privilege to be able to ask for it.
As far as references it is not a problem for me, ID sorry there is no way I will provide that to an SP, and as far as deposits I have been burned with that with well known and reviewed SP but also have had things go smoothly also. Deposits do not provide any safety for an SP that is pure BS, it does get rid of time wasters and cancellations.
I can agree to an anonymous deposit with a photograph of an Amazon gift card or other redemption code, if I really want to see someone that bad, but e-transfer never.

The thing, a few years ago, technology was much less present. Yes iphones/android have been around for a while now but especially when it comes to older folks they were not always present, lots of peoples had old clipper phones for instance. I feel more the technology evolve, more it seem easier to demand stuff like a picture of an ID wich 15 years ago would had require someone to actually scan the thing on an old school scanner/computer. Not everybody had a smart phone like now. So maybe it make it easier to demand these things? In any case, like you i could use the Amazon gift card if its somebody i truly truly trust and want to see badly, but etransfer is offlimit. Reference and giving Merb name is not an issue either, but ID its too personal. I don't want any random strangers to have my date of birth and altough i don't have a driver liscence (so nothing with my adress), lets just say its something i would not give to someone i don't know just like that.

I will say, however, that not being willing to comply with these requirements, especially for established providers, is really misplaced paranoia. Providers care about their safety and not having their time wasted. They don't care about your legal name and they certainly have no interest in ruining their reputation over a small deposit by scamming you. Even if it seems irrational to me, clients can certainly choose not to submit their ID and move on to someone else. But for the love of god, don't contact someone with a clear policy requiring it if you don't want to follow their procedures and try to bypass her screening. It only confirms you're a boundary pusher and shows a lack of respect or consideration for this provider's sense of safety. It is one of the reasons she's screening to begin with.

I don't think its paranoia personally. I been giving my real first name for as long as i can remember, and on ocasions i did gave my full name but they gave me theirs as well (usually they gave me their Facebook to add them). I feel when we exchange name etc its a mutual trust that is establish and i dig that. About the deposit, you are right for most. That said Fradi did say he got burned before, and i seen reports of some providers who advertised on known site like here and terb actually cancelling a tour or something and not refunding deposits. I understand why they are demanded as much these days and i really despise clients who ghost/no show/cancel last minute. Im not one of those. When i book i intend for the meeting to happen, even if im tired or else. That said maybe its easier for me as i go to Montreal specifically for this, so i can plan my schedule around it, i mean i enjoy other stuff but the rest is secondary while in in town and i won't sweat if i can't visit a store i wanted to. But clients should definately stop booking on their lunch break or whatever, or when they ain't sure they won't be able to make it. But im also sure a lot of the "clients" cancelling are not really clients but trolls/sw haters who do it on purpose just to be aholes.

Anyway. Personally as you say i just avoid providers who ask for a "curiculum vitae" when booking. The only time i think i could try anyway is if i met one of her friend (knowing they are friends, like duo partners or the other SP told me herself) and i would tell her i could provide her friend for reference + merb ID. But i would say it right away in introduction to not waste time. Im sure some would be entitled to have their full form be filled anyway, but common sense should tell if her friend vouche for this person, he is ok.

In any case, its funny because personally i got nothing to hide, my whole family and friend circle know i meet, i couldn't care less my name would be publish in the newspaper as "this John bough sex services" because i love this business, im not ashame of doing it by one bit, i feel the immoral/weird thing is that its actually still a criminal act. But even i got my limit on what ill share right away before even meeting a person.

To answer Sene5hoes to finish

As for Leolist, well there is some legit ads there, sometimes its great providers, some who even advertise here too, sometimes its legit provider but who offer mediocre services. I saw one add recently, REALLY hot lady, full face pic, crazy body, verified, look legit as it can be. I was like "wow how come i never heard of her". Some researches led me to reviews wich were less than positive... That was "the catch". Sometimes tough its hillarious, they use pics from well known instagram models and put ridiculous ammounts like 120$ ... yeah right, who fall for that? But i guess some dudes just don't know better, google "montreal escort", find leolist, look some ads and try to book the one that appeal to them without any researches...
 
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As I said I got burned once with a deposit and I have never really written about it and even now I won’t name her as she is not
entirely to blame, besides it was a while ago and she has disappeared off the radar.
I had talked through PM with a lady who I was thinking of seeing and we had a few pleasant conversations.
Then one time she mentioned that she was in a bind and didn’t know how to make ends meet that particular month just for a short period.
I must admit she in no way asked anything of me or even hinted at it. I was the one that offered.
I told her I can meet her next day and prepay a 2 hr meeting but I was going on vacation and didn’t have time, we could meet sometime in the future when it suited both of us.
Next day we met at a sports bar/restaurant, I gave her the money for a 2 hr date, bought her a drink and lunch I had a coffee as I was in a hurry and gave her $100 gift certificate to Bota Bota thinking that she could use a break to relax a bit.
She did give me an opportunity to see her twice later on but our timing never seemed to fit and then the pandemic hit.
About a year after she texted me and we agreed it would be nice to finally meet, but then she cut off the conversation and I did not hear from her for 3 days.
I texted her if she was ok and said that it is hard to hold a conversation with her if she keeps disappearing which I said kind of jokingly.

Well she didn’t see the humour in it and I received a tirade from her basically telling me who the hell do I think I am and she will text when she wants to etc… and when she will decide to start working again she will let me know and make good on her promise.

I answered back that so far I have always been polite but under the circumstances I doubt it would be a good idea for us to ever meet and she can consider what I gave her a gift she doesn’t owe me a thing and wished her a pleasant life.

Now I have also had a case where I sent an Amazon gift card as a deposit to another Merb advertiser and everything went smoothly exactly as she said and she was a pleasure to be with, but I will certainly never pay in full in advance again.

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What you call "misplaced paranoia", I would call being smart.

Sure, I understand the concern. But considering the high number of providers who require info and are busy, that would lead to the conclusion that many clients agree to it and have no issues. Presumably it's safe to say they are smart as well.

I think perhaps my term was a bit extreme but I would change smart for cautious, suspicious or risk averse.

Intelligence or lack of it has really has nothing to do with screening or choosing not to. Personal choice. I respect that, of course.
 

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I could totally be wrong but I think they are American screening methods that gradually migrated here. With the very real risk of LE trying to book, US providers need id and even more info than is required here. It's been like that for a long time, I believe. But it's still a privilege and don't quote me on the origin of these screening requirements, I could be totally wrong. But I'm fairly confident.
 
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I could totally be wrong but I think they are American screening methods that gradually migrated here. With the very real risk of LE trying to book, US providers need id and even more info than is required here. It's been like that for a long time, I believe. But it's still a privilege and don't quote me on the origin of these screening requirements, I could be totally wrong. But I'm fairly confident.
I don’t mind references I think it is a smart thing to do, even a deposit if it can be done anonymously is not such a big deal although I fail to see how that has anything to do with safety, many scumbags have money, it does help with time wasters and cancellation.
Giving someone you don’t know a photo ID for a service that is today illegal, nope that is not being careful, that is being plain stupid.
 
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I could totally be wrong but I think they are American screening methods that gradually migrated here. With the very real risk of LE trying to book, US providers need id and even more info than is required here. It's been like that for a long time, I believe. But it's still a privilege and don't quote me on the origin of these screening requirements, I could be totally wrong. But I'm fairly confident.
Yes, exactly. But it has had the added benefit of increasing the safety of sex workers in the U.S., and for that reason U.S. law enforcement largely leaves ladies alone who screen. It also reduces fake bookings, a time-wasting technique used by opponents of the industry and sometimes by competitors.

It works well in the U.S., and creates a closed system. The problems arise outside of the closed system. Giving identification information to providers who do not advertise in certain venues, have reviews on specified sites, or charge at or above a certain price level, is a no-go for most of us, as is seeing a provider who doesn’t have enough historical online presence to clearly not be law enforcement.

Those concepts are alien to many Canadians, although it appears that some Canadian independent escorts like some of the safety and reduced fraud aspects of screening. I continue to be confused as to why so many consumers in the Canadian market think that bad things will happen if they do what has worked well for years in the U.S.? How many times a week do you send personal information to companies over the internet? I would say many times for most of us.
 
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How many times a week do you send personal information to companies over the internet? I would say many times for most of us.
Presumably you are not requesting a service from those companies that you can be arrested and prosecuted for so the comparison doesn’t make any sense.
That is why you should be careful with your texts and emails and keep to companionship and not specific acts or menu items.
After all you are only paying for her companionship as it says on most SP web sights.
We tend to be more careful than Americans I guess or we haven’t been forced into this situation that is starting to happen now.
It will be a dual as to which brain will win, knowing men I think we will lose.
 
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Presumably you are not requesting a service from those companies that you can be arrested and prosecuted for so the comparison doesn’t make any sense.
That is why you should be careful with your texts and emails and keep to companionship and not specific acts or menu items.
After all you are only paying for her companionship as it says on most SP web sights.
We tend to be more careful than Americans I guess or we haven’t been forced into this situation that is starting to happen now.
It will be a dual as to which brain will win, knowing men I think we will lose.
Higher end escorts have a lot to lose in terms of income if they compromise customer information, so they tend to be careful with it. And in Canada, the police have little or no authority to obtain that information since the provider is doing nothing illegal. But even in the U.S., there isn’t much precedence for them obtaining and using email information, presumably as a result of criticism that doing so interferes with the safety practices of sex workers. Honestly, if Canadian law enforcement rescinded the c-36 prioritization policy, they would probably approach it the way Sweden law enforcement does. They obtain the incall location of the sex worker through a booking that is cancelled. Then they stake-out and shakedown male customers entering the location and leaving an hour later, threatening him with trespassing if he doesn’t admit to the lesser charge of soliciting. I just don’t see much use of electronic communication used as evidence worldwide by law enforcement in this area, especially at the low-level of a John, with the exception of fake ads taken out by law enforcement. And that is not the case with an escort who has a reputable advertising history.
 
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If you want to put your trust in high end escorts, that is your and every body else’s prerogative.
As you are aware many couples in love marry and believe it will last a life time and things turn real ugly almost 50% of the time.
Giving one’s ID to a complete stranger for an illegal activity in my book is not being smart, statistics of LE using it or not and high end escorts protecting their livelihood by not giving out information be damned. We all live by different rules that we set for ourselves.
When an SP is willing to exchange phot ID then I will consider it. Yes I am well aware that they are much more likely to be in danger from a client than the other way around and it is not that I am not sympathetic to that, but that will not change my mind however.
 

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If you call or text from a cell phone that was not purchased exclusively as a hobby phone, it only costs a few bucks, at least in the U.S., for someone to get every bit of data involved in standard screening.

The good news is that no serious participant in this industry gives a shit. You just have to be careful of the low-end potential scammers. If a reviewed escort reverse searched a cell phone and found it belongs to Justin Trudeau, she would probably just remind herself of those rumors that he liked some of his older female students when he was a teacher and toss a schoolgirl skirt in her travel bag.
 
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If you call or text from a cell phone that was not purchased exclusively as a hobby phone, it only costs a few bucks, at least in the U.S., for someone to get every bit of data involved in standard screening.
The screening I object to is sending a legal government photo ID of yourself to someone I have never met.
Yes if someone wants to stay anonymous for sure he should invest in a burner phone and use an email address where he is listed as Mickey Mouse just like the many SP who are called Candy.
I also agree with you that with the majority of well established and reviewed SP your information is probably safe, for me probably is not safe enough, not when you are involved in something the government deems to be illegal and can prosecute you for. The chances of that for now is extremely low but that can change overnight and I doubt they would notify you in advance.
 

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Maybe it is different in Canada, but in the U.S., for about $25 a month, a person can get every bit of that data on the government issued ID by entering the owner’s cell phone number. I suspect that many escorts do that, and in fact you see in most ads a call or text from a “real” cell phone number is required. Most of the information in screening just saves some time. Like it or not, most escorts, either independent or agency, are going to be able to access your personal information whether you like it or not. Even in the U.S., a presence on a site like TER can be used for some level of screening by doing private messages, making it less likely that she will find a need to go digging. And of course if you are a registered guest at a hotel in Canada, that provides some comfort. I am just saying that I think a lot of antI-screening guys overestimate their level of privacy. At least in the U.S., it is basically impossible to be anonymous if someone has any piece of data that has ever been associated with your real name. But maybe it is different in Canada, which might have better privacy provisions.
 

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I am not against screening I am more than happy to provide references they can call contact any SP I have met in fact I encourage it.
I will even provide my Merb, Terb, or ISG handle just not a legal government photo ID and I will not send and E transfer as a deposit either.
No SP especially one that I have never met will get that information if they insist then it is simply a no go for me.
 
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To answer the question about deposit and safety : a deposit isn't a guarantee that we'll be safe but it's still more likely. A man with bad intentions will be reluctant to sending an e-transfer with his name in it. And if something bad does happen, at least we have his name!

I didn't really screen seriously for years. Started doing it in the last year for every new client (by asking for references or a deposit) and I now have a grand total of 0% fake appointments. For those who know me, you know I have a stalker on this board. Well the fucker hasnt been able to play his little game since I started screening. Good riddance.
 

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To answer the question about deposit and safety : a deposit isn't a guarantee that we'll be safe but it's still more likely. A man with bad intentions will be reluctant to sending an e-transfer with his name in it. And if something bad does happen, at least we have his name!

I didn't really screen seriously for years. Started doing it in the last year for every new client (by asking for references or a deposit) and I now have a grand total of 0% fake appointments. For those who know me, you know I have a stalker on this board. Well the fucker hasnt been able to play his little game since I started screening. Good riddance.
I am certainly glad your stalker has disappeared nobody deserves that especially not someone who is a total sweetheart like you.

However just like you mentioned by sending an e transfer you have his name, now that to me will never be a safe thing to do especially with someone you have never met before, I really don’t care how many stellar reviews they may have.
Shit happens and we all deserve to have a measure of safety, and yes I get that a SW is more likely to be in danger than a client.
I have zero bad intentions which pretty much every SP that has met me can vouch for I am happy and grateful to be able to see gorgeous women like you, but I still won’t send an e-transfer to a total stranger, it will take many years of getting to know each other before they get to know my name, if that is a problem well I will just move on.
 

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And that is your decision, and it's valid! Everyone gets to choose what they're comfortable with. Knowing you I know you would simply move on if a lady asked for ID, not try to push her boundaries. That is the way to go. It's ok for everyone to do what they're comfortable with as long as nobody is pushing anyone's boundaries.

Like you said earlier in this thread amazon gift card is a good option for anonymous deposits. I go that route sometimes, it's convenient. I mostly screen to avoid time wasters anyway, not really to have any real world info.
 
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