Any Predictions For Strip Clubs After Smoking Ban?

[b_cup_lover]

What a beautiful day, I am breathing a lot easier.

GG

Same here bro, and it's not because of the ban, I have not smoked a puff in a week now and it seems that it'll be for good.

Last time I quit, it lasted a year and I had taken Zyban, this time I took Nicorette gum for a mere 2 days, and I don't have the craving as much.

So to me the new law in effect will actually help me to be smoke free.

 

[General Gonad]

Excellent...keep it up!

Same here bro, and it's not because of the ban, I have not smoked a puff in a week now and it seems that it'll be for good.

Last time I quit, it lasted a year and I had taken Zyban, this time I took Nicorette gum for a mere 2 days, and I don't have the craving as much.

So to me the new law in effect will actually help me to be smoke free.

b_cup_lover,

This is excellent - keep it up. Don't take your health for granted and I personally hope this law might help others quit as well.

GG

 

[B1G]

No big deal but....

In my restaurant people are not staying as long as they use to. After the meal is finished, they leave alot quicker then they use too. No big deal but we sell less coffee!!!

 

[jimbo3x]

None

If were to choose between seing naked ladies or smoking -- I would defenitly choose naked ladies. so thus, the effect is none

 

[ck_nj]

Question on exceptions:

Are there any places where you are allowed to smoke, like cigar bars? If there are, those places must be cleaning up money-wise.
The only place I can think of, where you can smoke, is Blatter & Blatter, the pipe maker and tobacco shop on President Kennedy. And that's a store, not a bar.
I remember being able to smoke cigars at Winston Churchill Pub, but I guess that is not possible anymore.
BTW I am a non-smoker, but i do enjoy a nice Cuban cigar on very rare occasions.

CK

 

[Techman]

There's a cigar lounge on the NE corner of Crescent and DeMaisonneuve called Stogies I believe. They have been doing a lot of radio ads since last week advertising live entertainment. I have a feeling they are doing great business but I don't know if smoking is restricted to cigars and pipes only or if cigaretes are permitted also.

 

[ck_nj]

Techman,

Thanks for the tip! That is right near where I will be staying.

Here is the name and address that I found:
Stogies Café & Cigares - 2015 RUE CRESCENT - (514) 848-0069
http://www.stogiescigars.com/

CK

 

[mtwallet]

It's been a week now and the world has not come to an end. Non smokers are reveling in smoke free bars and restaurants all over Quebec. Other than one stupid bitch who put her smoke out on a bartenders nose, I haven't heard much negative publicity about the ban. For now. We'll see when the weather really improves and open air terraces become hostile territory. We'll also see what happens when the inevitable rise in house parties start to intrude on peoples lives ie: neighbours who want to sleep at 3am. We'll also get to see what happens when some buisnesses are forced to close because of declining sales; stop selling enough of those $2 coffees that cost 15 cents to make, it'll hurt. No, I am not naive enough to believe that there are enough smokers out there to support an entire industry, but we do put a hell of a lot of money into the economy when we hang around for an after dinner smoke.

 

[GlavaMan]

There is also the strain $ that smoking puts on our health care system.

 

[Techman]

No, I am not naive enough to believe that there are enough smokers out there to support an entire industry, but we do put a hell of a lot of money into the economy when we hang around for an after dinner smoke.

The thing is, smokers have non-smoker friends who tend to stick by them. When the smokers decide to do other things some of these friends will stick with them. So in the long run it's not just smoker business that is being lost, we take others with us as well. And I'll say it before someone else does..... it's just like second hand smoke so let's call it the second hand smoker effect.

As an example, my regular drinking/clubbing budy is a non-smoker. When I don't go out, in general neither does he. When we do go out, we usually stay at a bar until closing time which adds up to 3 to five rounds of drinks. On the rare times he goes out alone he stays for one drink and leaves. I'm sure that there are others who share similar situations. Even a couple where the guy or the girl smokes and the other doesn't will spend less time in restaurants and clubs when they go out together. So it's not just smokers who will be spending less.

 

[Techman]

There is also the strain $ that smoking puts on our health care system.

There have also been studies that show that smokers actually cost the health system less money in the long term as they tend to die at a younger age. Combine that with the extra tax money we put into the system and we are probably more of a benefit to the health care system than a burden. And I'm not talking about only cigarette taxes as smokers also tend to have other bad habits such as gambling and drinking which provide more sin tax monies. I'd like to know how the bingo halls are doing since the ban for example!

 

[ExoticSpirit]

As for Bars and Restaurants

As for the bars and restaurants, they will just have to come up with ways to do business better given the changes. That's business no matter what industry. Those who can't roll with the changes will fail in the long run. Those who learn to adapt will prosper.

 

[spin]

There is also the strain $ that smoking puts on our health care system.

Just because I can't smoke in bars doesn't mean I stopped smoking, it really just means I'll go to bars less and won't stay as long when I do go - I'll still smoke the same amount per day.

Thus stopping me from smoking in a bar is not doing anything to lessen the "strain on the health care system" (which I don't buy anyway).

The thing is, smokers have non-smoker friends who tend to stick by them. When the smokers decide to do other things some of these friends will stick with them. So in the long run it's not just smoker business that is being lost, we take others with us as well. And I'll say it before someone else does..... it's just like second hand smoke so let's call it the second hand smoker effect.

As an example, my regular drinking/clubbing budy is a non-smoker. When I don't go out, in general neither does he. When we do go out, we usually stay at a bar until closing time which adds up to 3 to five rounds of drinks. On the rare times he goes out alone he stays for one drink and leaves. I'm sure that there are others who share similar situations. Even a couple where the guy or the girl smokes and the other doesn't will spend less time in restaurants and clubs when they go out together. So it's not just smokers who will be spending less.

Very well put Techman I agree 100% - my regular drinking/clubbing buddy is also a non-smoker last night he called me to see if I wanted to go out for a beer and catch the hockey game, I said why don't you just come over to my place and we'll watch it here. Some bar lost out on 8 beers last night, my local depanneur owner on the other hand is in the process of putting in an in-ground pool with all of the extra money he is making off my beer purchases.

Any girls want to come work at Spin's house a couple of nights a week??? Benefits include but not limited to:

-Smoking is always allowed (and not just limited to cigarettes)
-No one will force you to do a turn on stage (I know some of you hate that)
-Open bar (only for the girls that is)
-Clients will bring their own drinks - No more 6$ beers, thus leaving them more money to spend on you

Accepting applications all week!

 

[Techman]

As for the bars and restaurants, they will just have to come up with ways to do business better given the changes. That's business no matter what industry. Those who can't roll with the changes will fail in the long run. Those who learn to adapt will prosper.

Adapt all you want but when gov't regulations take away your best customers there isn't much you can do to survive other than cut costs. Usually that means salaries but in the case of most bars that pay minimum wage to service staff it will mean jobs instead. They could always raise the prices but that will just drive more customers out the door.

Next all they have to do is get the poker machines out of the bars and you'll be seeing small bars all over the province shutting their doors.

 

[spin]

All of this has got me thinking...

In my younger days (18-19) I was pretty heavily involved in the underground party scene - raves before their unfotunate "death by commercializaiton".

I say lets get the circuit going again, but this time we will cater to displaced smokers looking for a place to party.

Every week the party will change location, they will be held in warehouse's and other commercial buildings around the island - locations will only be disclosed 24 hours before the party begins and by word of mouth only.

Once inside we could use the same basic pricipals of the old raves, different rooms for different things: The Main room with a bar and dance floor, a second room for the type of dancing that requires a pole and maybe a third lounge type room just for hanging out - SMOKING WILL BE ALLOWED AND ENCOURAGED IN ALL ROOMS.

Here are a few other advantages:

-No need to leave a 3AM as we have no permits in the first place so nothing to lose
-Discretion! As the parties will be somewhat illegal they will be changing locations often and held in very non-descript buiding's (no more worries of your wifes friends driving by as you walk into the bar with the big neon naked lady sign)
-You can SMOKE

Hmmm I bet some of you reading this are thinking old Spins lack of nicotine has affected his mental stability - BUT I know there are others reading this thinking "Great Idea Spin!"

OK first step, Anyone have a warehouse or really big house I could borrow for a few days???

 

[shijak]

You're not thinking back far enough. There was the same thing in the 1920's during prohibition, where people would mass together and clandestinely booze it up to spite the authorities (weren't these called gin mills? I might be wrong).

Honestly, i think you're overreacting. Eventually, things will even out to a level that will satisfy everyone. You know, I recently saw the mid-1980's movie The TWILIGHT ZONE: The MOVIE, hadn't seen it since probably it came out, and was shocked to see John Lithgow in the plane sequence lighting up a cigarette in a crowded airplane (he even stubbed it out in those little ashtrays attached to the armrests)
I'd thought it was at least in the 70's that smoking was deemed verboten in airplanes, but no, it was actually not so long ago.
But not every country followed this new rule, as I found out back in 1998 returning from South America and was annoyed to discover they allowed smoking in the plane (i returned on Aerolineas Argentinas airlines).
The new rules could be too harsh for some of you, but they will likely be eased somewhat in a few months, as new politicians eager to kiss butt get elected. Then a happy compromise will be reached.

 

[Techman]

Hey spin, you can count me in!!! Cigarettes only though, cigar smokers can still do it legally. The cigar lounges must be cleaning up, Stogies is advertising the World Cup in HD this week on the team990. Can you smoke a cigarette in a cigar lounge? Anyone know?

 

[mtwallet]

1 last coffin nail

Techman, you've given me a great idea! As one final flip of the finger to all the radical nonsmokers,or worse, reformed smokers, I will be adding a little something to my will and testament tomorrow.

"I Mtwallet,being of fragmented mind and body, hereby request that upon my demise, be cremated while wrapped in the world's biggest rolling paper"

I am not making light of cancer so please, save me the sermons everybody!

 

[WRman]

Any other post-ban "cigar bar" recommendations besides Stogies? Looking for a place with a little life, like Cigar Masters on Boylston in Boston.

Thanks.