Astonishing fact: 70% of Americans are either overweight or obese
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I think what we need to understnad is overweight does not mean obese. It does not necessarily mean you are not healthy either. Many other studies confirm overweight women (again not obese!) lives longer.As for myself the problem is my height. I am on 5'6'' and a half (the half is important as I am taller then 5'6'' but not 5'7''
). Also I skied competitively all my youth and 20's. My legs are not skinny like many men.But one has to admit the chart proves why more then 70% are overweight. Fuck the chart!
Cheers,
oh I was talking about the chart not your comment haha !! I never liked that chart because it puts ideas in people’s heads, especially young girls and women...
As for myself the problem is my height. I am on 5'6'' and a half (the half is important as I am taller then 5'6'' but not 5'7''
Same here - If is 6'6" my weight would be perfect.
That stat is skewed, I would say 20% of Americans are obese. If you include 50% of other Americans as overweight. meaning they have more weight than is ideal. Then the Stat is correct. Leaving 30% of Americans of perfect weight or
anorexic.
anorexic.
How is that statistic skewed? And how would you know? (That is, can you point us to any experts who have argued this?)
Are you aware that according to the latest data (for 2015-2016), from the National Center for Health Statistics (in the USA), the obesity rate among US adults aged 20 or older is about 40% ?
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hestat/obesity_adult_15_16/obesity_adult_15_16.htm
So you are telling us that health statisticians overestimate the US obesity rate by 100% ? If you were right here, this would indicate an astonishing amount of incompetence on their part.
Being an American, I would say this stat is not skewed, and probably accurate. That being said you also have to understand what our government considers to be overweight, which is the first pound you are over your ideal weight range. I am 5'10", the top end of my ideal weight range is 173#, once you are 174# you are now considered overweight. While we can disagree with this definition, this is how it is currently defined.
Along with this definition of overweight, the line of obesity, iirc, is 20% over the top end of ideal weight. Which for a guy my height is 207#. I have lived my adult life between 190# and 200#, and people were always surprised at how much I weighed, just lucky I carried it well. I have drifted over 210# a couple of times, no one would have thought to call me obese, and neither would I, though I made sure to drop the weight. The point I am making here about obesity is you would be surprised at some of the people our standards call obese.
Along with this definition of overweight, the line of obesity, iirc, is 20% over the top end of ideal weight. Which for a guy my height is 207#. I have lived my adult life between 190# and 200#, and people were always surprised at how much I weighed, just lucky I carried it well. I have drifted over 210# a couple of times, no one would have thought to call me obese, and neither would I, though I made sure to drop the weight. The point I am making here about obesity is you would be surprised at some of the people our standards call obese.
Are cutoffs arbitrary? Yes they are. Somebody whose BMI is just below 25 is not going to be significantly healthier than somebody with a BMI of just above 25.
Also, as Julia Sky pointed out above (comment # 25), BMI is not a perfect measure. Though this line of reasoning can be carried too far. US obesity researcher Kevin Hall wrote in the Washington Post:
"BMI is often criticized because it doesn’t differentiate muscle from fat. Muscular people can therefore erroneously be classified as overweight. For example, Dallas Cowboys quarterback Tony Romo’s BMI makes him borderline obese.
But despite its limitations and notorious counter-examples, BMI is highly related to body fat and correctly categorizes people as having excess body fat more than 80 percent of the time. Additional simple measurements such as waist circumference may be even more informative because they provide information about where fat is distributed in the body."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...05f3b2-71e4-11e5-8248-98e0f5a2e830_story.html
Maybe of interest:
Tamar Haspel: One Big Fat Truth. The most likely reason for our obesity epidemic is the one we don’t want to hear. May 2018
http://discovermagazine.com/2018/may/one-big-fat-truth
A leading researcher explains the obesity epidemic. Interview with Kevin Hall. Nutrition Action Healthletter, August 2018, Center for Science in the Public Interest
https://www.nutritionaction.com/dai...ing-researcher-explains-the-obesity-epidemic/
This seems to be a succinct statement of the measurement issues involved in obesity:
World Obesity Federation How is obesity measured?
https://www.worldobesity.org/data/cut-points-used/
"While BMI is a simple measure that is very useful for populations, it should be considered a rough guide for predicting risk in individuals. Athletes are commonly misclassified as are those who are particularly short or tall. In brief BMI is most useful on a population not individual basis.
Other methods include waist circumference, waist to hip ratio and biometric impedance."
Read the whole thing, if you care. It's not long.
World Obesity Federation How is obesity measured?
https://www.worldobesity.org/data/cut-points-used/
"While BMI is a simple measure that is very useful for populations, it should be considered a rough guide for predicting risk in individuals. Athletes are commonly misclassified as are those who are particularly short or tall. In brief BMI is most useful on a population not individual basis.
Other methods include waist circumference, waist to hip ratio and biometric impedance."
Read the whole thing, if you care. It's not long.
I was once showing a BP escort I had spent hours with in Charlotte, NC the Eleganza web site and some of my favorite girls (She was curious about Montreal). She thought all the girls looked anorexic. What a line-up John had at the time.... It is ironic that our ancestors had to survive famine which makes many of us excellent at holding onto our fat.
Simple carbs and sugars are killing us. I asked my Dr. if I should try Alli. He said "Americans aren't fat because of eating fat. It is because of sugars and simple carbs.
Try the Keto diet.
Simple carbs and sugars are killing us. I asked my Dr. if I should try Alli. He said "Americans aren't fat because of eating fat. It is because of sugars and simple carbs.
Try the Keto diet.
Having lived in Texas I have traveled throughout Mexico extensively and throughout South and Central America to a lesser extent. Being from 30-50 lbs. overweight myself, I am immediately aware of how I must appear to be obese in the eyes of people south of the border. I often sit on benches along the Paseo de La Reforma in Mexico City and watch the mass of people walk by - and I'm amazed how many people will pass by before I see even one "fat" person (20 lbs. overweight by my standards) However, I chuckle to myself, when I come back to Texas and see all the obese Mexicans living in the U.S. It's obviously our diet. It's not just the cheap fast food - which is most of the problem. But, it pisses me off when I can't even buy skim milk without it being loaded up with added sugar. I often see advertised "fat free" but then you look at the label it has 16g or more of added sugar. Take a look at the labels of U.S. foods and notice all the added sugar in just about everything. Why do food packagers do it? It's simple - it tastes better which means increased sales.
Artificial sweetners have been proven to trick the brain into thinking the body is being starved, and when that happens, the body turns to survival mode and starts adding fat. Some studies have correlated the more consumption of "diet" products (especially diet sodas) the higher the obesity.
The manufacturers have made deals with the pharmaceutical industry so now they put the poison into prescription medication, especially syrups for infants and children, so the medication tastes sweet and the child will take it. Over the counter cough syrups are full of the shit.
The rest of the world should watch what people in the USA are putting into their bodies and do the exact opposite.
Sante!
The manufacturers have made deals with the pharmaceutical industry so now they put the poison into prescription medication, especially syrups for infants and children, so the medication tastes sweet and the child will take it. Over the counter cough syrups are full of the shit.
The rest of the world should watch what people in the USA are putting into their bodies and do the exact opposite.
Sante!
Bignasty if you look at the stats Mexico has a huge obesity problem. The 2 last generation drank way to much soda and fried tacos is kind of the norm in rural mexico...
F117 what you wrote is absolutely true. There is such thing as a sugar cartel unfortunately.
That said it's already too late for the rest of the world. India (while having a relatively thin population) has a huge diabetes problem, as problematic as in the USA or Mexico. Soft drink is again at blame here..
The fittest population in the world (beside singapore and japan) lives in the mountain of Switzerland down around the Mediterranean (italy, france, spain, monaco, portugal, andora, greece) where the diets does contain a lot of fat (olive oil, fatty meat...) but a lot of vegetables and fruits. Sounds like a Keto diet in itself no?
Cheers,
F117 what you wrote is absolutely true. There is such thing as a sugar cartel unfortunately.
That said it's already too late for the rest of the world. India (while having a relatively thin population) has a huge diabetes problem, as problematic as in the USA or Mexico. Soft drink is again at blame here..
The fittest population in the world (beside singapore and japan) lives in the mountain of Switzerland down around the Mediterranean (italy, france, spain, monaco, portugal, andora, greece) where the diets does contain a lot of fat (olive oil, fatty meat...) but a lot of vegetables and fruits. Sounds like a Keto diet in itself no?
Cheers,
With keto I lost 26 pounds in 25 weeks, never felt better. Much more energy overall and less sluggish after meals.
Coincidentally it was a trip to Annapolis that made me do it. We took lots of pictures and I was the fattest one there. Not surprising in a sea of Naval Academy cadets.
The food availability in Maryland/DC must be a factor in obesity. My friends live in an area where there is only one large grocery store. Good food was much more expensive than I expected compared to Winnipeg. Some areas had only small corner grocery stores with limited selection.
The number of restaurants, from crappy fast food to high end surprised me. People must eat out a lot to support them.
I'd be interested in the overall diet of the people in such studies. I have a thing for Diet Coke and Ginger Ale. However, I rarely eat fast food and I exercise on a regular basis. I consume only lean meat (chicken breast, salmon) eggs, and mostly slow-burning carbs including a large but simple salad every week day. I eat bread a few times a week. Translation: the 4-5 drinks with aspartame I consume each week with my particular lifestyle have not affected my body composition and I've managed to stay in good shape.
If you have a "responsible" diet, most of those external factors won't affect you in moderation. The fundamentalist approach to never eat a particular food is unnecessary if you have a disciplined diet (exceptions made for those with food allergies like seafood or gluten. Not hipster gluten avoidance but real Celiacs or immune-based sensitivity). But most people don't have responsible diets. If you live in the US (probably Canada too) and you're not cooking your own food, I can all but guarantee you're taking in more fat calories and sodium than you really need. Ditto carbs too-- and they're rarely the good carbs to begin with.
Careful guys, you're throwing around a lot of stuff about food and dieting.
- I don't believe skim milk has added sugars. It tastes sweeter naturally because the fat is stripped out.
- Artificial sweeteners don't make your body think it's starving. It triggers an expectation and craving for calories.
- How much cough syrup do you think we and our children take?
Julie Andrews advises that a spoonful of sugar makes your cum go down.
- I don't think the Mediterranean diet is a Keto diet. Plenty of pasta, legumes and some bread.
Don't overcomplicate this. Hungry101's doctor is right "Americans aren't fat because of eating fat. It is because of sugars and simple carbs." That leads us to processed foods as a culprit. We should walk down the street more often as well.
- I don't believe skim milk has added sugars. It tastes sweeter naturally because the fat is stripped out.
- Artificial sweeteners don't make your body think it's starving. It triggers an expectation and craving for calories.
- How much cough syrup do you think we and our children take?
Julie Andrews advises that a spoonful of sugar makes your cum go down.
- I don't think the Mediterranean diet is a Keto diet. Plenty of pasta, legumes and some bread.
Don't overcomplicate this. Hungry101's doctor is right "Americans aren't fat because of eating fat. It is because of sugars and simple carbs." That leads us to processed foods as a culprit. We should walk down the street more often as well.
She was probably a diabetic and that’s why she ordered the Diet Coke. Diabetics can eat like pigs, but they do need to monitor the sugar ingestion.
Every time I go to Yankee Stadium I can't believe how many obese people I see. When they made the new stadium, they had to expand the seats to accomodate the new "averaged - sized" American. I think the worst exports the U.S. makes to other countries are McDonalds, Burger King, and Taco Bell restaurant chains. You don't see these supersized meals in other countries. No wonder this is the number 1 health problem in U.S.
But in regards to Quebec, why are there so many smokers? In the U.S., the smoking rate for adults was down to 14% last year (one of best rates in world.) However Quebec is still hovering around 24%. Obesity is killing Americans. Smoking is killing the Quebecois.
But in regards to Quebec, why are there so many smokers? In the U.S., the smoking rate for adults was down to 14% last year (one of best rates in world.) However Quebec is still hovering around 24%. Obesity is killing Americans. Smoking is killing the Quebecois.
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