Bye bye Cinema, Bars, StripClubs or others... vaccinated or not ! Im laughing HARD !

[DouMan]

Ouf, thank god
But as you previously stated, besides this hiccup, yes HM's posts usually portray him as a fairly decent and ok guy.

Thats something that kinda frustrate me. The governement and the media did such a great job on turning peoples against anybody that is against vaccine passeport, mandates and over the top measures that now these statements make this person question my status as being decent and ok.

Woah easy there cowboy. If you take the time to re-read my words they are basically a complement.

No where do I, and most likely the majority here, question you as being "decent and ok". For most of us you come across as generally a calm and respectful poster who we enjoy reading.

True in this thread there are clear opposing poles on this subject so it is only normal to see so many agree to disagree. Chill bro ...

 

[Halloween Mike]

Woah easy there cowboy. Chill bro ...

Yeah usually i am. I tried to lay back on some heat stuff in the last couple years pre-covid too. I always prefer harmony over trouble. But the Covid stuff is getting under my skin. They say on TV some peoples have "Covid fatigue" or something but for me its much more than that. It itch my skin extremely bad. Not nescessarely the measures themselves, as they don't impact me that much outside a few rare things here and there (exept the Curfew when it will probably come back) but mostly the dangerosity of allowing them to keep cutting more and more on our rights and liberties and way too much peoples not only accepting it in resination, but litteraly being in agreement with it. WANTING it.

There are arguments i enjoy debating in life that are mostly fun and light. Xbox vs Playstation for instance. I own both, but im an Xbox guy at heart and much prefer this platform, yet i totally understand why someone would prefer playstation and when i participate in the "console war" its always in a light at heart way. Ultimately i love some PS exclusives and the machine itself is alright. There is other debate that are more serious where i can see both arguments and understand them despite leaning on one. For instance the 2nd ammandement. Im against it personally. BUT i do understand where the peoples who are for it are going. There some touchy subjects like abortion ultimately im on the "my body my choice" side, but i can again understand where the "pro-life" crew are going...

But when it comes to vaccinate passeports i am 1000% unable to understand why anyone can be for that. Im not talking being for or against vaccination, this is like what i said above, i understand both side and ultimately respect both side. But the passeport is nonsense to me. I do understand some measures and even are in agreement with some too. But i am 1000% against the curfew as unless there is terrorism or war going on and we MUST be able to spot any treat at night, there should NEVER be a measure that basically lock us in our home. I get the idea being it. If you can't go out past a certain hour, you are less likely to be able to visit friends and it mean less contacts. BUT the end don't justify the mean. You don't use a blowtorch to kill a Spider in your house, even if the result (the spider being dead) is there.

You get what i mean?

 

[minutemenX]

The government bureaucracy is a “necessary evil” that we need to keep in check. Thus, people like HM are doing essential job to question the motivation and actions of the government. Yes, sometimes they go to extreme as well as people on the other side who defend government actions no matter what. The scepticism and a bit of a cynical approach is a healthy thing in relation between government and the populace as bureaucracy always has tendency to self preservation and expansion instead of serving people.

 

[minutemenX]

I agree, with the giant caveat that doctors, nurses, and hospital administrators should be given the right to set capacity limits on hospital admittance for the unvaccinated and unboostered. You should get to make individual decisions, but if you make the wrong ones, you shouldn’t get to socialize your misery. Especially now that antiviral pills are available. Take X number of these a day, and don’t call us in the morning, should be the message in the emergency room if your vaccine card is empty or nonexistent.

We run the real risk of losing medical personnel and not having enough young people study in those fields as they see what is happening. Not to mention the stories from the United Kingdom of cancer surgeries being cancelled as a result of all the hospital beds being filled with Covid patients, mostly unvaccinated ones.

Patron,

Should people who deliberately smoke and have probability of a lung cancer 6 times more than who don’t be treated as harshly as unvaccinated?

 

[minutemenX]

During periods in which the hospital is overcrowded and doctors and nurses are being asked to work 16-18 hours a day nonstop, then yes.

The prioritization should go to others, such as accident victims or more curable cancers.

The doctor ain’t your bitch. Socialized medicine makes people think he is.

It is a business, or should be.

So, priority should be given to the treatment of COVID vaccinated and loyal to government citizens. Next step will be to euthanize people in psychiatric hospitals to free space to treat these loyal citizens. It is a business, is not it? I think I already saw it somewhere.

 

[EagerBeaver]

Triage decisions in hospitals are not made based on political criteria. Are you guys really serious with this discussion?

 

[Carmine Falcone]

Triage decisions in hospitals are not made based on political criteria. Are you guys really serious with this discussion?

They're not. But they should be, especially in times where healthcare capacity cannot keep up with demand AND you didn't bother with the minimum to prevent hospitalization by getting a vaccine. In life, people have every right to be stupid but you also get to live with the consequences of your stupidity.

Much like the pandemic itself, the hospital capacity issue is a ripple effect that affects everyone. Necessary surgeries have been delayed because of what COVID is doing. In Some insurers are already making unvaccinated pay more. My insurance company gave me $150 for getting vaccinated, a vaccine I was going to get anyway. That's because a hospital stay costs money, to say nothing of the bed you might be taking up from someone else. Even sadder is while in the throes of pain and nearing death, there have been people begging for a vaccine then.

Edit: And just like a Christmas miracle, I find myself on the same side of an issue as Patron. Lol!

 

[sene5hos]

and either you've never met @Halloween Mike in person, and/or you have an axe to grind.

I don't know him either, and I have no interest in meeting him.

 

[minutemenX]

Triage decisions are based on the best probable outcome. Thus, in accordance with current protocols for COVID ICU an unvaccinated guy in his 30s will be given priority to triple vaccinated 75 y.o. dude with co-morbidities. In fact, vaccination plays no role in this decision. As Patron said it is a business, is not it?

 

[Halloween Mike]

I agree, with the giant caveat that doctors, nurses, and hospital administrators should be given the right to set capacity limits on hospital admittance for the unvaccinated and unboostered.

You know what? Fine !

Let me sign official papers that i shall not be prioritized in hospital but give me an official document (with a seal but that is anonymous) that i shall not present a passport and ill agree

 

[Bbw hunter]

Yeah usually i am. I tried to lay back on some heat stuff in the last couple years pre-covid too. I always prefer harmony over trouble. But the Covid stuff is getting under my skin. They say on TV some peoples have "Covid fatigue" or something but for me its much more than that. It itch my skin extremely bad. Not nescessarely the measures themselves, as they don't impact me that much outside a few rare things here and there (exept the Curfew when it will probably come back) but mostly the dangerosity of allowing them to keep cutting more and more on our rights and liberties and way too much peoples not only accepting it in resination, but litteraly being in agreement with it. WANTING it.

There are arguments i enjoy debating in life that are mostly fun and light. Xbox vs Playstation for instance. I own both, but im an Xbox guy at heart and much prefer this platform, yet i totally understand why someone would prefer playstation and when i participate in the "console war" its always in a light at heart way. Ultimately i love some PS exclusives and the machine itself is alright. There is other debate that are more serious where i can see both arguments and understand them despite leaning on one. For instance the 2nd ammandement. Im against it personally. BUT i do understand where the peoples who are for it are going. There some touchy subjects like abortion ultimately im on the "my body my choice" side, but i can again understand where the "pro-life" crew are going...

But when it comes to vaccinate passeports i am 1000% unable to understand why anyone can be for that. Im not talking being for or against vaccination, this is like what i said above, i understand both side and ultimately respect both side. But the passeport is nonsense to me. I do understand some measures and even are in agreement with some too. But i am 1000% against the curfew as unless there is terrorism or war going on and we MUST be able to spot any treat at night, there should NEVER be a measure that basically lock us in our home. I get the idea being it. If you can't go out past a certain hour, you are less likely to be able to visit friends and it mean less contacts. BUT the end don't justify the mean. You don't use a blowtorch to kill a Spider in your house, even if the result (the spider being dead) is there.

You get what i mean?

I get what you mean. You seemed to be beating around the bush for awhile but have now stated what some others think as well:
There's a difference between being anti-vaccination and being anti- FORCED vaccination.
Seems like some have trouble seeing that distinction.
For the record I am double vaccinated. I had to for work and also because I just wanted to go into a restaurant sometimes and generally just get Big Brother off my back. And yes maybe it is the best way to protect myself and others but nobody can prove that conclusively.
Plus I have mixed feelings about the authoritarian way I feel I had to submit to this. I am certainly not happy about the continous restrictions which are chipping away at our civil liberties and turning us against one another (as this thread clearly shows).
Sometimes it seems like in this case the supposed cure is worse than the disease. The lockdown has been quite destructive in all kinds of ways.

 

[cloudsurf]

So things are not that bad. Its more about taking a stance for a principle.

And if that stance puts you in a hospital and kills you, then at least the principal will comfort you. lol

 

[Halloween Mike]

And if that stance puts you in a hospital and kills you, then at least the principal will comfort you. lol

If my time has come, my time has come. What can i say? If im to die on a 0.02% odd... well then luck was not on my side

 

[EagerBeaver]

If my time has come, my time has come. What can i say? If im to die on a 0.02% odd... well then luck was not on my side

Sometimes you do need to roll the dice. I kind of peek at those stats every time I board an airplane because on an airplane you are helpless, not in control and whether the pilot had a bad day could decide your fate.

 

[envelopes]

I don't follow Quebec news too closely. Is there any indication on reopening?

I had a trip booked already for late Jan. Trying to figure out if I should cancel it.

 

[gallantca]

I don't follow Quebec news too closely. Is there any indication on reopening?

I had a trip booked already for late Jan. Trying to figure out if I should cancel it.

Last year we were in a similar situation. They lifted bans on non essential services at the end of the first week of Feb.

At that time, hospital cases were high but on a down trend. We haven’t peaked yet so it’s still early to try and predict

My guess is it will be very similar to last year.

 

[TheJames101]

Last year we were in a similar situation. They lifted bans on non essential services at the end of the first week of Feb.

At that time, hospital cases were high but on a down trend. We haven’t peaked yet so it’s still early to try and predict

My guess is it will be very similar to last year.

This year though lots of non-essential things are open. Last year was different in that regard...

 

[gallantca]

This year though lots of non-essential things are open. Last year was different in that regard...

Yes, but strip joints are closed. What is more essential than strip joints. LOL.

 

[TheJames101]

Yes, but strip joints are closed. What is more essential than strip joints. LOL.

People still go to strip clubs?

 

[Halloween Mike]

Le variant Omicron fait fondre la protection vaccinale « comme de la neige au soleil », selon les experts (msn.com)