Defending oneself in one's own home?

[Porter]

Just Bob

Move to Canada. More gun control, fewer gun related crimes, 4-5 times less violent crime, and we don't need to incarcerate over 2% of our population in order to achieve that.

As I stated earlier, crime is a result of failure to address social issues. By arguing that "we need guns to protect ourselves", you're actually admitting to social failure. You're applying a patch, not addressing the problem at the source. See the rat analogy.

This a joke right Born and raised in Montreal....

I do agree that crime, but not all, is a result of failure to address social issues. An yes we have social failure at all levels. But for the defense of my family and myself, I entrust this particular responsibility to myself, and in such will use what ever means I need to meet and resist agression!

Porter

 

[Porter]

Of course I am talking about common social disagreement or confrontations,
not defense against determined thieves or thugs. Most people who get killed by a gun know the the person who shot them and the incident is usually confrontation betwen familiars, not targeting by a complete stranger. Death from an armed stranger is far less common. The presence of guns simply makes it too easy to vent anger or rage by through lethal force. Without the presence of the gun this rage or anger would be far less deadly and destructive.

No no , a gun does not increase the levels of testosterone in the individual. Do you view the populus in general as incapable of reasonable control ?

Conceal Carry permit holders do not draw their guns at the drop of their hats, nor is the gun utilized as a deterent or a means of intimidation. Come on you have been watching too many movies !!!

Porter

 

[korbel]

Yeah right!

No no , a gun does not increase the levels of testosterone in the individual. Do you view the populus in general as incapable of reasonable control ?

Conceal Carry permit holders do not draw their guns at the drop of their hats, nor is the gun utilized as a deterent or a means of intimidation. Come on you have been watching too many movies !!!

Porter

Hello Porter,

Are you talking about Canada? Well I'm talking about the U.S. And why do you keep talking about "Conceal Carry permit holders"? I am talking about the average person who has a gun, and they don't worry much about permits. Let me tell you this...Porter...nearly everytime I have even seen anyone with a gun they acted like it would be the end of the world if they never got a chance to use it in... "self-defense". People I know with any sort of weapon act more aggressively because they have it.

No one ever said it changes "the levels of testosterone". But it does alter the mindset: perhaps imperceptably and often measurably from a generally defensive nature to a more offensive one. One the average the change in attitude is very small. Possession of a gun increases the likelihood of more aggressive action on the average. Human beings have a tendency to use authority, power, and advantage when they have it, and possession of a gun often makes the average person feel they have ALL of that whether they actually do or not.

Ta ta,

Korbel

 

[Kepler]

why do you keep talking about "Conceal Carry permit holders"? I am talking about the average person who has a gun, and they don't worry much about permits.

You mean, you're talking about criminals and he's talking about law abiding citizens who wish to defend themselves.

Anyone who carries a gun and doesn't "worry much about permits" is probably a drug dealer or gang type. No kidding they're more violent!

 

[korbel]

No

You mean, you're talking about criminals and he's talking about law abiding citizens who wish to defend themselves.

Anyone who carries a gun and doesn't "worry much about permits" is probably a drug dealer or gang type. No kidding they're more violent!

Hello Kepler,

I did not say they carry a gun I said they have a gun meaning they own one. Criminals...NO! Talking about real criminals in a thread about self-defense is a true non-sequitur. Or do you think only criminals carry guns. If so, that is your definition not mine...lol.

Enjoy,

Korbel

 

[Kepler]

Above, you said:

I am talking about the average person who has a gun, and they don't worry much about permits.

Well in Canada you need a permit to own a gun. If you own a gun and don't "worry much about permits" then you're a criminal by definition.

Or do you think only criminals carry guns. If so, that is your definition not mine...lol.

In Canada and most US states, you need a special permit to carry guns. Only criminals carry guns without permits.

 

[Porter]

Korbel,

Come on,, there are 7 million registered guns in Canada. Do you see 7 million people going at it.

And on the note of clarification.

1 Hand guns require permits and also transport permits. You are allowed top transport form home to gun club and or gunsmith. Also allowed to transport said hand gun in locked case at all times to a saction event

2) long guns (rifles not all, shot guns ) require registration, but no transport permit.
3) While hunting long guns must be accompanied by hunting permit, or else

In Canada and in large part in the US all hand guns are registered, no one can carry a hand gun without a permit not even in the US.

I have a Conceal Carry for some states in the US, I did not shoot anyone in the last 20 years because I wanted to express my opinion. The owners of handguns are respectful and abide by the laws imposed.

All the people I know who have handguns and the ones that have a CC permit , follow the rules , do not forget that it is we the citizens who are under scrutiny not the criminal element..

No because you have a gun does not mean you have a tendancy to be more violent. If an individual feels empowered because he or she has a gun, then there is something wrong with the individual..

Porter