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[man77777]

Its one thing to say like doc did that a girl has "saggy tits", its another thing to write "obey" "submissive creature" or "I Force her to DT".

In the first case its just a question of little rudeness / in the second case its an abuse and we are not far from a rape, a kind of post that could be reported to the police.

Im sure you see the difference...

 

[domvara]

yeah tell man 77777

 

[man77777]

If you're going to defend one then you have to defend both.

If you defend one girl you have to defend all the girls ? Are you serious ???? Are you so manichean in your head ?

Its all depend if they have to be denfended or not...

Little rudeness VS description of a abuse = draw for you ? Are you fking serious ?

"She has saggy tits" VS "I force her to DT" = draw for you ?

Cmon Akon, let see what mod decide, but im sure they are going to delete Stick post and probably sanction him..

BUt im really chocked you cant see the difference between the 2cases..

 

[Mod 11]

This thread was started in relation to another discussion, https://merb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?83613-Bianka-Delight-Escorts post 41 and below.

The situation is under investigation on our side guys, no point to add a new thread.

There`s one thing we moderators have to keep in mind: neutrality. As far as what we discussed up to date, we all agree anything forceful in any way of form is revolting from our point of view.Note the bold part in the previous sentence. We don`t yet have both sides of the story.

We need to remember there`s a flourishing market of dominatrix, submissive, sado-maso, mistresses and all fetishes in between. Some people don`t mind being on the receiving end of actions we, from outside, consider abusive or degrading. Some people actually enjoy and seek it. What`s happening between consenting adults is private, as long as it stays within legal guidelines and, as offensive as most people see it, DT till gagging, light choking, ass-slapping, all is legal, as long as it`s done in a consensual environment.

In the above thread, we see members using euphemisms like "Gently forced", "respectfully ordered" or verbs like "forced" but, we`re missing the other side of the coin, from the other person involved. The reviews, even if crude and not my idea of an ideal encounter, don`t indicate any sign of disagreement from the lady, no signs of pushing back or trying to leave, no attempt to push back... What we have to understand from the reviewer`s point- of-view was, the domination was seen as a game from her point-of-view, even if we disagree.

Next thing we need to remember is, even if a girl agrees to do some actions with one guy, she might not agree to do it with everybody.
Saying a girl allowed choking, gagging, forced DT, ass-slapping, that`s a green light for whatever weirdo who won`t be able to see the difference between "the game" and real life and won`t stop once the girl really wants out.

Now, we`re investigating the situation and will attempt to get the girl`s side. What goes down after will depends on the feedback we get and the discussions we`ll have.

Thanks

 

[cloudsurf]

Mod 11, I may have over-reacted on the other thread, but when I hear from a booker that one of his most popular girls was so traumatized by the agressive actions of a john ( a reviewer on Merb), that she had to take 3 weeks off....I get furious!
If a girl consents to be abused...that`s her bussiness. If not, and she is too intimidated to resist, then its borderline criminal.
In any event the scenario should not end up in a review since it may create copy cats who may be even more agressive.
I hope the truth comes out and lessons are learnt.
BTW this is not the first time or the first agency that raises this troubling issue with overly agressive johns.

 

[UNIVAC]

If anyone brags about forcing a woman to do something, then I thing he is just inviting other abusers to victimize her.

 

[gugu]

If not, and she is too intimidated to resist, then its borderline criminal.

What the hell do you mean by "borderline criminal"? I see nothing borderline, it way past the line.

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

What the hell do you mean by "borderline criminal"? I see nothing borderline, it way past the line.

Once again, gugu, you read my mind. I was about to post the same thing.

 

[man77777]

so if she is open to do it.

IMO, as himself use the expression "forcing to DT", it clearly means that there was no consentment.

But maybe was it just a part of his phantasm to imagine that he was forcing her. Even in this case, his review is unacceptable, cause its a kind of proselytism to abuse young SP. Cause if you read his review you can see that its Nylonlover review that give the idea to Stick to abuse her. If there is a risk for her to become the victim of all the Montreal perverts just cause of these reviews, they have to be deleted...

 

[lgna69xxx]

And sadly, not the last I am sure. Agree with the majority here so far, it is a thin line to cross and as always YMMV, roleplay or not she may have been scared to say no, we really need to hear from the agency or the girl herself (or the mods do) about this before lynching anyone, but the consensus seems not to "brag" about this activity on a public forum, roleplay or not, for fear others will expect the same from the lady.

BTW this is not the first time or the first agency that raises this troubling issue with overly agressive johns.

 

[cloudsurf]

Borderline for me in this instance, means until proven guilty....understand?
Please don`t take my comments out of their context....I was not talking in general but referring to specific reviews.
Rumples and Gugu why are you hi-liting one word taken out of context , when there is a whole greater issue involved here?

 

[Merlot]

Hello all,

If a girl consents to be abused...that`s her bussiness. If not, and she is too intimidated to resist, then its borderline criminal.

Borderline for me in this instance, means until proven guilty....understand?

Okay we understand you didn't mean what it seems to imply, but being "borderline" as in provability is just the grey area abusers could use. I don't see any scenario where force during a lack of outward resistance due to intimidation is not criminal. Going beyond your intent, intimidation is force. Lack of resistance to intimidation is a survival tactic, not permission for aggression or more.

To me; any kind of forced things, obedience/submission is a big part of BDSM, which need a minimum of discretion...

I don't think any escort should be offering the kind of services that extend into areas of physical aggression because some clients could be abusers who will see it as an opportunity to act out and use a public offering for these services as an excuse mechanism to disguise the circumstances as a misunderstanding or misinterpretation of limits.

Even if the lady has known the guy for a while she can never know how far the some guys may be willing to go. It's risky enough meeting anyone, let alone saying she offers BDSM since a client's view of where the limits are may be widely different from what the escort intended them to be, just as anyone's taste in who is appealing or what is sexy can vary a lot from one person to another. An escort could be very explicit about the limits at first contact, but will she if she fears the competition can cost her jobs if she does so? It seems to me that the nature of the service and the opportunity for abuse is the problem.



Merlot

 

[snoodle]

can someone tell me who the girl is that her tits are hanging to her waist cause i want to book her.
Ouff sagging tits get me very horny
Does she DFK ?

 

[EagerBeaver]

sagging tits get me very horny

Your joking right?

 

[man77777]

So for me it is black and white.

Confirmation that you are totally manichean... To put everything in the same category is really dangerous and totally stupid. It's really dangerous to put a verbal rudeness in the same category than an abuse..

Moreover an exageration is not a lie, but a writing style, maybe you need to go back to school, "son". Anyway it was rude and I wouldnt have writen it, but it wasnt a matter. You seem to have a problem with Doc and to look for good excuses to attack him, then you're in the wrong thread, we are talking about serious things in here, "son"...

Your stubbornness to continue to mix a very serious matter to a ridiculous one, becomes pathetic.

 

[snoodle]

Your joking right?

no i am not joking...lol

I've banged so many good looking chicks that i find it boring now..so i need something different to really get me..like some nice juicy hanging tits
seen it a lot on GILFS in movies but would like to see it on a younger girl :smile:

 

[man77777]

I have nothing against saggy tits too, I find it exciting, that's also why Doc's description about these "saggy tits" is not necesarry an insult, but just a description that could attract some of us...

 

[snoodle]

I have nothing against saggy tits too, I find it exciting, that's also why Doc's description about these "saggy tits" is not necesarry an insult, but just a description that could attract some of us...

Diddo..

saggy tits are not necessarily a bad quality..give me a nice 50 year old slim milf with saggy tits that gives some good DFK and i am Booking right away !!!

 

[Maria Divina]

My opinion about reviews with a lotsss of details?

They are putting in the obligation a girl to do what it is written by one guy who met her, to repeat to all others who read those details, or worst, give the idea to some to push the limits a bit further...
That's the sad beginning of the dehumanization and the robotization of what should always be something resulting of an innert desire.


*Don't come and say that's impossible during prostitution to be in total control of our decisions. Healthy women have always set the limits of what they want to do, except when they are forced. The day a girl has decided to make prostitution, maybe she wasn't having the plenty "power of money" in her hands, but when she is continuing months or even years, believe me, she knows what she is doing.

 

[gugu]

Your joking right?

Not as far as I am concerned, EB. I happen to be the Président perpétuel des amateurs de seins mous du Québec. I just love saggy tits. Should I go see a doctor? Is it worst then forcing a dt? Even if most girls are insulted when they read a comment about their saggy tits. I personally do not see it as an insult.

Akon, are you kidding? You are trying to "educate" someone? For your own education, buddy, comparing forced dt with someone who write that a girl has saggy tits totally lacks judgement. This is a review board. It is part of a description. It has nothing to do with verbal abuse.