Disturbing Event At Cleopatra

[eastender]

Privacy on Public Roads

When the LE decide they do a road block to catch people who have been drinking, is this an invasion of privacy for the ones who didn't actually drink? Should we create a movement against it? It's depriving us from our right to drive our car without being bothered by anyone if we did nothing wrong... Yet, we still have to prove we didn't drink. What about the right to drink?

Who do they think they are to come up one sober dude's window with a flashlight in his face and ask for his IDs and ask him how much he drank tonight? What gives them the right to assume that all people driving on highway 10 on december 24th around 9pm might have drink and be driving their car?

hmmm... something to think about.

The concept of privacy on a public road is interesting to say the least.

Driving is a privilege, as is drinking. They are not rights.

 

[AllOverHer]

Bravo Lilly.

The days of cops going out just for fun and frisking all black men in a club isn't their saturday night fever anymore.

You guys should ask the owner next time.

Here's my guess, a crime or a beating happened and someone maybe saw a 2-3 black people enter cleopatra but couldn't be identified? Since they didn't have accurate description they checked everyone and at the same time maybe run a warrant check also. Since all criminal don't hang out in churches, cleo is a good bet.

If I have done nothing why would I be bothered being stopped by cops for questioning. It happened to me coming out of a hotel on the south shore, got stopped by cops and they asked for my papers. Looked around the front of my car. I didn't say nothing and they asked why I was in the area. I said I had a secret rendez vous with my mistress. I hope it's not my wife who sent you I told the officer. He started laughing and he said that my car had a similar description for a hit and run.

By the way it is an URBAN LEGEND to say that cops CAN'T stop you without a reason. Hell even worst since with 9-11, the freakin cops from the states can come in you home in Montreal or Toronto with announcing themselves. All they need is a tip-off. Wanna annoy your neighbor someday

 

[Lilly Lombard]

The concept of privacy on a public road is interesting to say the least.

Driving is a privilege, as is drinking. They are not rights.

Ok, they are privileges. And a road is public so there should be no privacy... A strip club is privately owned but is still a public place.

So why would the cops be more allowed to perform their tasks to keep the population safe on a highway than they would be in a SC?

 

[eastender]

Cost Benefit Ratio

Ok, they are privileges. And a road is public so there should be no privacy... A strip club is privately owned but is still a public place.

So why would the cops be more allowed to perform their tasks to keep the population safe on a highway than they would be in a SC?

Alot more people use the highways. Highway or road accidents cost alot more dollars to society than incidents in SCs.

Compare highway deaths to SC deaths and you will have your answer as to why police presence is allocated the way it is.

 

[Lilly Lombard]

Yes, but on highways in Montreal, it's the SQ's territory while the SC are on the SPVM's territory... The SPVM cannot put their ressourses to do highway patrol and the SQ can't send their ressources to take care of SC.

What is the solution? Taking the cops who are suppose to fight crime and illegal activities and sending them in another police organisation to turn them into highway patrolers?

Then who's going to make sure no one gets into fights at 3am on a Friday night at the corner of St-Laurent and Ste-Catherine?

 

[CLOUD 500]

I never implied racism but it is a known fact that police use racial profiling. Just for the sake of the record I am not black. I am a colored person yet the cops never pick on me. I wonder why? It is all speculation no one knows why they only picked on the black clients. I mentioned this because I have noticed this for the past couple of months. If the cops are looking for something to send out over 20 cops in a stripclubs on a regular basis on the slow nights? Seems kind of odd. It sounds like more an intimidation tactic because it is well known and confirmed with the various girls in the club that the city wants to shut this club down. I have been going to stripclubs on a very regular basis for ten years and never seen these kinds of raids as what I have seen in the past couple of months. As for prostitution I doubt the cops care because if they did they would first arrest all those street walkers hanging out every night on the intersection of St-Laurent and Ste-Catherine. I have never been the subject of any kind of interrogation so I will continue to go to the establishment but probably avoid the slower nights.

Hello Cloud,

Implying racism while missing critical information is irresponsible. All you have is your observation and stories from the girls, but nothing, not even hearsay about why the police were there at this time. I understand how someone who is Black can feel about seeming to be targeted. Yeah, it must truly suck. That still doesn't make this a case of racism, and just because it might seem that way on the surface doesn't make it so. Anyone who makes a habit of hanging around where drugs, prostitution, and possibly the "rackets" thrive is going to increase the odds of running into the police significantly. The police do tend to appear at such places and if the come en masse against the possible firepower they may face...don't blame them.

Given all that, this is after all, just a raid. Where is the event that makes this critical enough to alert everyone here. Sorry you had a bad time. Maybe it was just what you imply...maybe NOT! Maybe you need to seek out alternative forms of entertainment more often since you are no longer enjoying the company there.

Good luck,

Merlot

 

[eastender]

Status Quo

Yes, but on highways in Montreal, it's the SQ's territory while the SC are on the SPVM's territory... The SPVM cannot put their ressourses to do highway patrol and the SQ can't send their ressources to take care of SC.

What is the solution? Taking the cops who are suppose to fight crime and illegal activities and sending them in another police organisation to turn them into highway patrolers?

Then who's going to make sure no one gets into fights at 3am on a Friday night at the corner of St-Laurent and Ste-Catherine?

It works relatively well as it stands right now. For traffic purposes the highways running thru Montreal and continuing into the province are SQ territory while the local streets are SPVM territory. One enforces provincial laws where applicable while the other enforces municipal laws where applicable.

Police work tends to be re-active. Society has yet to figure out a way to stop fights. We settle for cleaning up the mess afterwards.

 

[eastender]

Show of Force / Pressure Tactics

I never implied racism but it is a known fact that police use racial profiling. Just for the sake of the record I am not black. I am a colored person yet the cops never pick on me. I wonder why? It is all speculation no one knows why they only picked on the black clients. I mentioned this because I have noticed this for the past couple of months. If the cops are looking for something to send out over 20 cops in a stripclubs on a regular basis on the slow nights? Seems kind of odd. It sounds like more an intimidation tactic because it is well known and confirmed with the various girls in the club that the city wants to shut this club down. I have been going to stripclubs on a very regular basis for ten years and never seen these kinds of raids as what I have seen in the past couple of months. As for prostitution I doubt the cops care because if they did they would first arrest all those street walkers hanging out every night on the intersection of St-Laurent and Ste-Catherine. I have never been the subject of any kind of interrogation so I will continue to go to the establishment but probably avoid the slower nights.

Does no only happen at SCs but you also see it on the subway since the police have started patrolling the metro. They will get on "en masse" at a station when school lets out in certain areas to get the message across to kids. They also do it on certain bus routes at the same time. They do it with the homeless around Papineau Metro - near Itiniraire. They do it at the St. Michel Metro with the kids since it is a transit point for at least five high schools. Simply it is a show of force that says we have the power in numbers and equipment that you do not.

It is also becoming part of the union negotiating or pressure tactics since patrols are no longer in regulation uniform. Two officer patrols show up at various community functions and blend in for awhile.

 

[Techman]

I never implied racism but it is a known fact that police use racial profiling. Just for the sake of the record I am not black. I am a colored person yet the cops never pick on me. I wonder why? It is all speculation no one knows why they only picked on the black clients. I mentioned this because I have noticed this for the past couple of months. If the cops are looking for something to send out over 20 cops in a stripclubs on a regular basis on the slow nights? Seems kind of odd. It sounds like more an intimidation tactic because it is well known and confirmed with the various girls in the club that the city wants to shut this club down. I have been going to stripclubs on a very regular basis for ten years and never seen these kinds of raids as what I have seen in the past couple of months. As for prostitution I doubt the cops care because if they did they would first arrest all those street walkers hanging out every night on the intersection of St-Laurent and Ste-Catherine. I have never been the subject of any kind of interrogation so I will continue to go to the establishment but probably avoid the slower nights.

Police use profiling, period. If the suspect they are looking for happens to be of a particular race then it is included in the profile. If the majority of street gang members happen to be of a certain race or colour, then of course it is included in the profile while investigating street gangs. They would be stupid if they didn't do this.

I would also like to know how dancers at Cleo's are so informed as to the motives of the police and the city of Montreal. Maybe they should be investigative reporters instead of dancing at Cleo's.

For all anyone here knows, the owner of Cleo's may have asked the police to come in and check things out on occasion. Has anyone asked him or one of the doormen about what's been going on? It's amazing how people are so quick to jump to conclusions without doing anything to even try to back up their claims.

Techman

 

[Lilly Lombard]

Police use profiling, period. If the suspect they are looking for happens to be of a particular race then it is included in the profile. If the majority of street gang members happen to be of a certain race or colour, then of course it is included in the profile while investigating street gangs. They would be stupid if they didn't do this.

At last the voice of reason!

 

[CLOUD 500]

No one ever said the dancers were investigators but they would be more informed then myself or the clients in the club. But I may just ask a doorman about this the next I go to this club. As for racial profiling there is a fine line between it being correct and wrong. If they are looking for suspect who is black then it makes sense. But if this is a raid for whatever purpose and they are checking suspicious looking clients then that was based on their race and that is wrong. At then end we do not what is really happening so I do not want to speculate anymore. I just thought I brought this up since I have observed this in the past couple of months and these visits did not seem routine. But why would the owner want them to come? They are bad for business, period. They make the clients uncomfortable and a lot of them leave. Less money for the club? Why would any businessman want that?In all the times I saw these raids before they were in the club had lots of clients after they left the place was so empty.

Police use profiling, period. If the suspect they are looking for happens to be of a particular race then it is included in the profile. If the majority of street gang members happen to be of a certain race or colour, then of course it is included in the profile while investigating street gangs. They would be stupid if they didn't do this.

I would also like to know how dancers at Cleo's are so informed as to the motives of the police and the city of Montreal. Maybe they should be investigative reporters instead of dancing at Cleo's.

For all anyone here knows, the owner of Cleo's may have asked the police to come in and check things out on occasion. Has anyone asked him or one of the doormen about what's been going on? It's amazing how people are so quick to jump to conclusions without doing anything to even try to back up their claims.

Techman

 

[CLOUD 500]

If cops started thinking like that there would be huge gangs everywhere with large assault rifles and crime would be so high and the law enforcement would loose control .

The gangbangers in TO have bigger guns than the cops do, so the cops prefer not to run the risk.

 

[booty123]

Police use profiling, period. If the suspect they are looking for happens to be of a particular race then it is included in the profile. If the majority of street gang members happen to be of a certain race or colour, then of course it is included in the profile while investigating street gangs. They would be stupid if they didn't do this.

I would also like to know how dancers at Cleo's are so informed as to the motives of the police and the city of Montreal. Maybe they should be investigative reporters instead of dancing at Cleo's.

For all anyone here knows, the owner of Cleo's may have asked the police to come in and check things out on occasion. Has anyone asked him or one of the doormen about what's been going on? It's amazing how people are so quick to jump to conclusions without doing anything to even try to back up their claims.

Techman

Let me answer 2 or 3 question first....If i work in offiice,hospital ,and Im seen 20 law officer not 2 once in a while but 20 law office doing a routine in a place where i do work....chance are 90% of the time someone would probably know the reason of this massive wwalk-in.

Secound routine check its not a crime. I sstandar area where patrol do make routine check.....Now we dont have to be graduate from any University to Observee that 15 or 20 office Questioning same kind of clientel as an ROUTINE check is a little..I mean a LITTLE to much....

This sociaty have this word we call 'DISCRETION' that unit could practice with out so much visibility

my tax is paying ....

 

[Merlot]

Let me answer 2 or 3 question first....If i work in offiice,hospital ,and Im seen 20 law officer not 2 once in a while but 20 law office doing a routine in a place where i do work....chance are 90% of the time someone would probably know the reason of this massive wwalk-in.

Secound routine check its not a crime. I sstandar area where patrol do make routine check.....Now we dont have to be graduate from any University to Observee that 15 or 20 office Questioning same kind of clientel as an ROUTINE check is a little..I mean a LITTLE to much....

This sociaty have this word we call 'DISCRETION' that unit could practice with out so much visibility

my tax is paying ....

Hello Booty,

To be gentle...your comparison is a total mismatch. Hospitals are not owned by the Hells Angels as some of the strip clubs in my area are, and I am sure that kind of association isn't rare in Montreal. And, hospitals are not a the magnet often illegal activities often going on in strip clubs. Now I understand the why this sort of event would resonate more with a person "of color". But let's go to the problem here. Though I have not read every post I have read most and there seems to be no evidence pointing to the actual reason the cops were there. So this thread is no more than speculation, as far as I know, and that has the same value as rumor...practically none. This thread appears to be more about the sensitivities of minorities than the event you describe. That's fine. But without better facts it isn't much more than that.

Cheers,

Merlot

 

[metoo4]

Booty, what if the guy they are looking for (if that's the case) happen to be in the club and armed? What if 1-2 cops walk-in to check him out? If I'm in the club at that time, I perfer 1,000,000 times more seeing 20 cops walking in than seeing this guy trying to make a run, thinking he can "take" 2 cops.

 

[booty123]

Hello Booty,

To be gentle...your comparison is a total mismatch. Hospitals are not owned by the Hells Angels as some of the strip clubs in my area are, and I am sure that kind of association isn't rare in Montreal. And, hospitals are not a the magnet often illegal activities often going on in strip clubs. Now I understand the why this sort of event would resonate more with a person "of color". But let's go to the problem here. Though I have not read every post I have read most and there seems to be no evidence pointing to the actual reason the cops were there. So this thread is no more than speculation, as far as I know, and that has the same value as rumor...practically none. This thread appears to be more about the sensitivities of minorities than the event you describe. That's fine. But without better facts it isn't much more than that.

Cheers,

Merlot

????? are you people in here crazy ??? cant ya read ??? you are a normal 9-5 worker that have never work with the public...how can you possibly come here in post comment about race issue??? What you want it to be a race issue or security issue????....I never said its Illigal to have road check or routine check....but Discretion could be A+ A +

Now please go google or yahoo or any search and show me the level of violence in the strip clubs compare to the violance....at any bar or club.....

really your not responding about the level of security here but about some other issue...Now.... Im talking about having 2 or 3 law enforcement doing routine check time to time NOT a trooper inside one single club get this comment clear please.

Tactic team could have done a better job with out bring in , attention to them or any facility.Now were in my tread in this subjet... I yes me... I talk about not securing the clubs from criminal ???????

 

[booty123]

Booty, what if the guy they are looking for (if that's the case) happen to be in the club and armed? What if 1-2 cops walk-in to check him out? If I'm in the club at that time, I perfer 1,000,000 times more seeing 20 cops walking in than seeing this guy trying to make a run, thinking he can "take" 2 cops.

what about this...what about that..what about him or what about her....

What about you stay behind your office and what about you dont drive night time....you never know some guy my hit you car....

i never read such idiotic comment.... What about using citizen tax money and send those trooper in the west Island or North Island where crime rate is higher then some SC. What about Most Strip Clubs have metal Detector..What about 3 or 4 strip clubs own by politician and police eenforcement. What about you tell me how many time in your life you here gang menbers simply going to a strip club killing people vs drug dealers sooting like cowboy on the west Island or crime rate on Ontario St. affiliation...


PS: Im still waitting of you showing me statistic of crime rate in a Strip club compare to any organisation here....Show me im wrong...and then i shup up !

 

[booty123]

Booty, what if the guy they are looking for (if that's the case) happen to be in the club and armed? What if 1-2 cops walk-in to check him out? If I'm in the club at that time, I perfer 1,000,000 times more seeing 20 cops walking in than seeing this guy trying to make a run, thinking he can "take" 2 cops.

lol really your comment here lol ... I dont think honestly any gang menbers would actuelly ..hahaha start shooting on law enforcement in a strip club.... What kind of really check you guys do ?? How can you have such dark world in ya mind... This isnt event funny!

Pimp ok, drug dealer ok, gang affiliation ok....but actuelly thing that gang or ciminal hang around the club to shoot clients???? Ya people most of had never watch LCN, TVA, CNN ...To bring such disturbing comments !!!

 

[CLOUD 500]

To be gentle...your comparison is a total mismatch. Hospitals are not owned by the Hells Angels as some of the strip clubs in my area are, and I am sure that kind of association isn't rare in Montreal.

I will be gentle->but you just made a contradictory statement. Hmm...the last time I checked the Hells Angels were all white but here we are talking about only black clients being interrogated here . Interesting is it not?

And, hospitals are not a the magnet often illegal activities often going on in strip clubs. Now I understand the why this sort of event would resonate more with a person "of color". But let's go to the problem here. Though I have not read every post I have read most and there seems to be no evidence pointing to the actual reason the cops were there. So this thread is no more than speculation, as far as I know, and that has the same value as rumor...practically none. This thread appears to be more about the sensitivities of minorities than the event you describe. That's fine. But without better facts it isn't much more than that.

Cheers,

Merlot

However I do agree with this. Police racial profiling and it makes sense but this becomes a grey zone and you never know if the cops judgment is unbiased. You are right this thread is nothing but speculation and filled with hypothesis. But I only brought this up to here opinions and not make accusations. I have not called the cops racist. I simply found it curious that for the past couples of months I have seen these very detailed more then routing raids then only singling out black clients and frisking a few of them. I have to question that? Like Techman said I will ask a doorman the next time I am in the club. But here is another thing to think about. Me being a colored person I never got stopped by the cops or interrogated by them in a stripclub. I would think considering how often I go I would get questioned once. But there is one minor difference in between me and the clients who were interrogated. I was well dressed and my pants were not hanging to my knees. Does that mean because I am well dressed that I cannot be a someone who is a pusher for drugs or a pimp or whatever else they might be looking for? Only the black guys who dress in the hip hop clothing do this? Just something that you should think about.

 

[CLOUD 500]

But here is my problem with this. Where do we draw the line? Do we get so paranoid that we have regular security checks and simply declare martial law? Should we have big brother monitoring all electronic activities? Should we have cameras in the washrooms stalls? They could simply be gansta type guys enjoying there time in a stripclub. Sometime too much security is too much. Maybe you should stay home and not ever go to work. You never know there might be some guy out there to rob you or worse maybe someone might run you down with their car . It is after all safer to stay home the rest of your life.

Booty, what if the guy they are looking for (if that's the case) happen to be in the club and armed? What if 1-2 cops walk-in to check him out? If I'm in the club at that time, I perfer 1,000,000 times more seeing 20 cops walking in than seeing this guy trying to make a run, thinking he can "take" 2 cops.