Disturbing Event At Cleopatra

[Techman]

But here is my problem with this. Where do we draw the line? Do we get so paranoid that we have regular security checks and simply declare martial law? Should we have big brother monitoring all electronic activities? Should we have cameras in the washrooms stalls? They could simply be gansta type guys enjoying there time in a stripclub. Sometime too much security is too much. Maybe you should stay home and not ever go to work. You never know there might be some guy out there to rob you or worse maybe someone might run you down with their car . It is after all safer to stay home the rest of your life.

If you aren't doing anything wrong and not breaking any law, why does this bother you in the first place? I'd rather have the police around and not need them than need them and not have them around. If you guys are so paranoid about cops, maybe you are the ones that should never leave the house.

This morning they announced a massive police operation taking place that is targeting organized crime, bikers and street gangs.
Maybe what you were witness to was a preface to this operation, checking IDs to line up possible targets for this larger plan.

Techman

 

[eastender]

Or a Diversion

This morning they announced a massive police operation taking place that is targeting organized crime, bikers and street gangs.
Maybe what you were witness to was a preface to this operation, checking IDs to line up possible targets for this larger plan.

Techman

Or a diversion giving the real targets a false sense of security.

Further to Techman's post:

http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/story.html?id=1281598

 

[wilko26]

But here is my problem with this. Where do we draw the line?

The first line that should be draw is that when you see such thing you should ask to concern people (police officer or staff management) why its appenning before posting such drama on merb. Now this thread is full of 'if' 'or maybe' 'possibly but I dont really know' etc... which mean and worth nothing about the fact that 20 cops got into that club for a reason that you don't really know. If I would be the strip club owner I would be really piss off at you to maybe scare black/yellow/red/grey/blue color to come to my club. Because that's what you did basicly with this thread, your saying that if someone goes in thoses clubs they might be harassed by a trop of cops doing racism profiling.

 

[Regular Guy]

Project Axe!

Well it's all over the news. Beginning to look as if increased police presence may be associated with something called "Project Axe", which is a widespread initiative targeting gangs and drugs. And it seems we are singing the same song on this thread regarding profiling. If as it turns out police profiling involves viable evidence which is leading them to target specific groups then this whole argument will have been for naught. Let me say this again: We do not, I repeat, not, have the facts. If they targeted blacks at Cleo's simply because they have preconceived notions which are in error then, yes, it is stereotyping. We do not know, period. But if they have knowledge gained from profiling and the facts lead them in a certain direction then I, for one would be pretty upset if political correctness crusading tied their hands. It is beginning to look to me that this style of initiative may share some of the same mindlessness as that of the very racists it claims to disdain. Worse, if such pressure were to force the police to back off and put public safety at risk then, in the long run these crusaders will not be making any friends. In my mind, raising accusations without evidence does not give one the right to the moral high ground. And this is my last contribution to "chum" this feeding frenzy.

 

[Techman]

Originally Posted by CLOUD 500
It sounds like more an intimidation tactic because it is well known and confirmed with the various girls in the club that the city wants to shut this club down.

Another thing that occurred to me is that if they wanted to intimidate the clients and cause the club to lose business, they would be questioning and checking all the clients especially those who make up the majority of the club's clientele, not those who are in the minority. In fact, making the club less appealing to the gangbanger types would only end up being good for business, not bad.

Techman

 

[Dee]

. Hmm...the last time I checked the Hells Angels were all white but here we are talking about only black clients being interrogated here . Interesting is it not?

As a matter of interest "Greg [Picasso] Wooley became the first black member of the Rockers. He was given his patch by Maurice Boucher personally and then celebrated by partying with members of the Hells Angels Nomads chapter, showing off his colors at all their regular haunts."

Twice Wooley was caught with guns... once in his luggage on the way to Haiti and another time as was riding his 'cycle in Montreal.

http://www.geocities.com/wiseguywally/GregoryWooley.html

Gregory Wooley Hells Angels leader Maurice (Mom) Boucher's personal bodyguard

The 36-year-old, reputed to be a killer for the Hells Angels, was denied statutory release this week after the National Parole Board ruled he was too high a risk to "kill or cause serious harm to another person" before his sentence ends on Dec. 26, 2009.

http://royalespot.blogspot.com/2008/03/gregory-wooley-hells-angels-leader.html



A footnote: The Canadian Islamic Association (CIA) is contemplating a complaint to Human Rights Tribunals across Canada as they feel they are under represented in the Hell's Social Club.

 

[kimthesexystripper]

Well it's all over the news. Beginning to look as if increased police presence may be associated with something called "Project Axe", which is a widespread initiative targeting gangs and drugs. QUOTE]

It's called PROJET ECLIPSE

http://www.spvm.qc.ca/fr/documentation/3_1_2_communiques.asp?noComm=548

 

[Dee]

Avid readers will recall my post (#75) about the ethnic diversity of a certain group of motorcycle aficionados. In it a certain pleasant chap of Haitian origin, Gregory Wooley (aka Picasso), was mentioned.

And now this from today's Globe and Mail with respect to Operation Axe:

Another person charged was Gregory Wooley, a close confidant of Hells Angels kingpin Maurice (Mom) Boucher.

Mr. Wooley was arrested Thursday while already in prison in Kingston, Ont.

Coincidence? Probably. (unless your are a squirrely woman who would like to bestow some pleasures of the flesh on me because you think I am somehow connected beyond being a stunt double and stand in for you know who. Sigh.)

 

[YouVantOption]

Study contends strip clubs aren't a magnet for crimes

staff reporter

a study from seattle in 2006 about 3 strip clubs there.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2003304038_clubcrime14m.html

you might want to look around for some other studies, like those done in Brooklyn which lead to the current local ordinance concerning the opening of new strip clubs there.

 

[booty123]

a study from seattle in 2006 about 3 strip clubs there.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2003304038_clubcrime14m.html

you might want to look around for some other studies, like those done in Brooklyn which lead to the current local ordinance concerning the opening of new strip clubs there.

Bravo i see you know a little more then me...

2008 : 2 Gunshoot was made oouttside club Amazone never inside cause nothin to do with people in the owner...Cause 2 ex drug dealeeer that made old fight become alive again...

2007-2008: Gunshoot was made bettwen Hells Anglees in black at Club Solide Gold cause...because of foot stepping.

I can keep on going going going....I belive knowing a little more then you all about this here....

What Im saying again its more in less rare crime are made inside any strip clubs then any other Organisation ( bars,taveern,clubs) ect....

Again security is a good thing...Its a wway to do so with out bringin attention to every body including the client....

PS: I went and ask those club owner that question and ; answer as : Its normal for them because crime organise is every where but I never seen so much of discrimination bettwen law enforcement ,and colors people cause of the media. Doing this do scare few of our clients off...2 or 3 patrol car on front or doing there rounds is more then enought.....


Crime then rise in Strip club people just make is seen tthat way.....
Security Option;
1.Dress code
2.ID
3.Metal Detector
4. 1 or 2 patrol

By the ay are you considering pimps as criminal ,and wy?

 

[Dee]

Shopping for a new bodyguard now... I know this plumber that.....
Seriously, mumsy, maybe next time instead of toasting you , you can get them to pay the round

Good point. I'll have to start using my Devil given talents for my benefit and that of my boys and not simply for our amusement. You'll understand however that as a member of my posse you'll have to protect me by throwing yourself between me and any huge hootered honey steamrolling towards me.

 

[Dee]

and, Mr.Dee, you can count on me too... I did have some experience of defending a man in a strip-club of an huge blondinette who did want to attempt to his wallet...

Is this counting?????

I really do what I said... I can explain to you if you want more details, before you hiring me as your personnal bodyguard...

Yeesss, there is a benevolent Gawd! Would love having you as a bodyguard...

This puts me in mind of Juvenal's (will he never grow up?) "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes" = "Who Watches the Watchmen" ... In Ms. Maria's case this would have to be modified to: "Who watches the watchperson being watched by the guarded?"

 

[Dee]

If you want to read more informations about Hell's Angels and Mafia too, I did read "La route des Hells", comment les motards ont bâti leur empire, wrote by Julian Sher and William Marsden... Admettons que ça mets les informations à jour et comment aussi ils se sont fait infiltrer et comment l'opération policière à réussi à fonctionner, après plusieurs années de laxisme et d'incompétence... The other book is "Gangsters et hommes d'honneur", décodez la Mafia... wrote by Pierre De Champlain... Did not have too much time to read the last, but I will... I am supposing that another book will talk about street gang later or sooner.... That's good to have a enlarge view of those persons.

Merci mille fois Maria... in the past I kept up with all the "literature" (for eg Yves Lavigne) in this area but I haven't read these. Recently a man who is intimately familiar with certain aspects of the life, and who has been in my house, and who was in the news for the last 2 years plus recently news that will let him not be within 4 walls 4 the rest of his life. I'm not an intimate by any means but the subject does interest me.

 

[Regular Guy]

Correction

It's called PROJET ECLIPSE

http://www.spvm.qc.ca/fr/documentation/3_1_2_communiques.asp?noComm=548

Actually it is called "Operation Axe" and it has taken place in both Ontario and Quebec simultaneously:
http://montreal.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20090212/mtl_opaxe_090212/20090212/?hub=MontrealHome

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/montreal/story/2009/02/12/montreal-police.html?ref=rss