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Jordd

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I think its normal.
Woman being in this for years its hard on them.
You notice some become clock watchers cant wait to throw you out, or that bit of xtra time or passion seems to fade.
sevices seem rushed with some exceptions(bio hazard suit required wink wink)
Its a buyers market.The are all crying the blues
i get endless phone calls and texts from studios and privates . exampe the famous lalya of asia spa also known as owner ming on deglise in stlaurent which closed up was literaly crying on the phone said she was going home every night swearing as some days no clients and many places have mirrored this.
in fact most business owners of every imaginable type of business are complaining
Thank Justin Castro that brainless idiot and his crew of goonies.
Food prices... a necessity have doubled... as well rents and affordable houseing
never mind considering buying a house. Very few people walking around with a lot of free cash.
The working girls and escorts all have the same complaints except they are providers who cringe when clients complain about riseing costs.
its only going to get worse for clients and providers.
That doesn’t make sense. If it was a buyers market, the prices would go down and there would be a much larger offering.
And why would it get worse for BOTH clients and providers? I think it’s a sellers market which is more favorable to providers than clients. Just saying.
 
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Agree there is no correlation between rates and quality.

For my information, what is downmarket?

Could you provide examples of the different options locally?

Downmarket is simply going for equal services perhaps from either less conventionally popular SPs or less spectacular surroundings. MySweetMilf is an example of this. Less than $200/hr for an experienced and usually somewhat attractive milf. They may be women ranging from 30's to 50 and may be quite skilled or still quite attractive, but not necessarily agerncy material. MP providers that offer full services may be another example of this.

Less explored local options are available, but there are caveats and disclaimers that go with some of them. In some cases they may be things that you learn abroad that can be imported here. So, here's a few. Cuddle sites. CuddleUp was the big one but I think it shut down now. There are others. The cuddlers are often flexible with their services, develop their services with you personally, or straight up offer sex. I have maintained probably a half dozen ongoing connections through such sites, two of which I still see. Half the price of an SP or less, but watch out as the sites are infested with Nigerian scammers looking for gift card payments. Any place, especially chinese places, that offer both esthetics and massage is a potential downmarket location. They often don't advertise in English sites and are often undiscovered outside of chinese communities, but are happy to take in new clients. Language may be an issue. I haven't gone through the trouble of tracking any down here in Montreal, but I had 3-4 I went to in Vancouver. Ethnic classifieds, either sites or bulletin boards. Again the target audience is often unassimilated immigrants or visitors looking for either documented or undocumented work. You can either look for ads or place ads/flyers phrasing it as you like, but usually looking for body rub etc. You can do it in English but it helps if you also use the target language. I use Spanish. Sites like Locanto sometimes have hidden gems, but a filter is needed. Strangely enough, people who go to places to spend less money are often looking to make money too. Flea market boards etc. Place an ad directly yourself, again usually if in ethnic areas with a high percentage of immigrants. Instead of looking for ads in Kijiji ,A123 etc put one up as "looking for" and ask for what you like. Create a disposable email and profile though. You will get responses. You can also do this in schools and career colleges. but you have to be circumspect and most schools require that your ad be approved for either virtual or physical posting or they remove it, so it may not last long. Any filipina job search network sites or community centres. Very hungry for work and if you are diplomatic in your phrasing you will get responses and discussions, and some will bite. There are others, but you get the idea. I have at one time or another used all of these methods and have obtained positive results, but not all in Montreal. Most of them though.

OK, so here's the caveats. First off, it's a numbers game. You have to be prepared to get no result or little result or slow results with ad type searches. Over time you will acquire enough people that you can eliminate all of the legwork. It's not for quick hits though, except for the cuddle and estehtics places. There is actually some work and time that needs to be invested. Second, a lot of these things are geared towards maintaining an ongoing understanding with the girls in question. In other words, it usually only is worth doing if you live in the targeted area, so no good for visitors without a lot of work. Location may be an issue for some mongers, so plan accordingly depending on your method/taret audience. Get a monger phone. You will go crazy if you use your regular phone for this and there are occasionally some weirdos. lol. Lastly you need to be basically honest. You don't need to say everything up front, but you do need to explain clearly what you want once you engage directly with someone. If you lie to them it will reflect very badly on you and it can cause you serious problems too. Don't try to do all of this stuff at once. Looking at salons and such can be targets of opportunity when you're around them. Likewise an ad here or there. looking at sites is easy, of course. If you're not in hurry and just do stuff as time and circumstances permit then over time you will develop cheap, pleasant and familiar relationships of convenience. Look at it as amateur SA or Sugar Daddy stuff for some of the options. Not everything will work for everybody and not everybody will want to invest the time or see it as too much hassle, which of course it is. The upside is that once the time is invested and the hassle has been suffered there's very little to do and you can reap the rewards on an ongoing basis for a long time with very little maintenance.

TLDR, use your imagination and look for people who are looking for you but don't know how to find you.
 

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The fact that I know that that's Billy Idol and his original band pretty much pegs me right there. lol
I bought that 45 in London England as a teenage boy.

Sorry, the video is not synched with the song. It was a song that was a rip-off in many ways of the Who's My Generation, or rather, an updated version to reflect how the new younger punk generation felt about the hippies.

Yes, that is where Billy Idol got his start.
 

Jordd

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Downmarket is simply going for equal services perhaps from either less conventionally popular SPs or less spectacular surroundings. MySweetMilf is an example of this. Less than $200/hr for an experienced and usually somewhat attractive milf. They may be women ranging from 30's to 50 and may be quite skilled or still quite attractive, but not necessarily agerncy material. MP providers that offer full services may be another example of this.

Less explored local options are available, but there are caveats and disclaimers that go with some of them. In some cases they may be things that you learn abroad that can be imported here. So, here's a few. Cuddle sites. CuddleUp was the big one but I think it shut down now. There are others. The cuddlers are often flexible with their services, develop their services with you personally, or straight up offer sex. I have maintained probably a half dozen ongoing connections through such sites, two of which I still see. Half the price of an SP or less, but watch out as the sites are infested with Nigerian scammers looking for gift card payments. Any place, especially chinese places, that offer both esthetics and massage is a potential downmarket location. They often don't advertise in English sites and are often undiscovered outside of chinese communities, but are happy to take in new clients. Language may be an issue. I haven't gone through the trouble of tracking any down here in Montreal, but I had 3-4 I went to in Vancouver. Ethnic classifieds, either sites or bulletin boards. Again the target audience is often unassimilated immigrants or visitors looking for either documented or undocumented work. You can either look for ads or place ads/flyers phrasing it as you like, but usually looking for body rub etc. You can do it in English but it helps if you also use the target language. I use Spanish. Sites like Locanto sometimes have hidden gems, but a filter is needed. Strangely enough, people who go to places to spend less money are often looking to make money too. Flea market boards etc. Place an ad directly yourself, again usually if in ethnic areas with a high percentage of immigrants. Instead of looking for ads in Kijiji ,A123 etc put one up as "looking for" and ask for what you like. Create a disposable email and profile though. You will get responses. You can also do this in schools and career colleges. but you have to be circumspect and most schools require that your ad be approved for either virtual or physical posting or they remove it, so it may not last long. Any filipina job search network sites or community centres. Very hungry for work and if you are diplomatic in your phrasing you will get responses and discussions, and some will bite. There are others, but you get the idea. I have at one time or another used all of these methods and have obtained positive results, but not all in Montreal. Most of them though.

OK, so here's the caveats. First off, it's a numbers game. You have to be prepared to get no result or little result or slow results with ad type searches. Over time you will acquire enough people that you can eliminate all of the legwork. It's not for quick hits though, except for the cuddle and estehtics places. There is actually some work and time that needs to be invested. Second, a lot of these things are geared towards maintaining an ongoing understanding with the girls in question. In other words, it usually only is worth doing if you live in the targeted area, so no good for visitors without a lot of work. Location may be an issue for some mongers, so plan accordingly depending on your method/taret audience. Get a monger phone. You will go crazy if you use your regular phone for this and there are occasionally some weirdos. lol. Lastly you need to be basically honest. You don't need to say everything up front, but you do need to explain clearly what you want once you engage directly with someone. If you lie to them it will reflect very badly on you and it can cause you serious problems too. Don't try to do all of this stuff at once. Looking at salons and such can be targets of opportunity when you're around them. Likewise an ad here or there. looking at sites is easy, of course. If you're not in hurry and just do stuff as time and circumstances permit then over time you will develop cheap, pleasant and familiar relationships of convenience. Look at it as amateur SA or Sugar Daddy stuff for some of the options. Not everything will work for everybody and not everybody will want to invest the time or see it as too much hassle, which of course it is. The upside is that once the time is invested and the hassle has been suffered there's very little to do and you can reap the rewards on an ongoing basis for a long time with very little maintenance.

TLDR, use your imagination and look for people who are looking for you but don't know how to find you.
Thanks for that! It’s nearly a thesis! :)
 

urquell

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Thanks for that! It’s nearly a thesis! :)
D-oh! I forgot to add one of the obvious ones. Some MPs are available for sessions outside of their salon and their normal work hours, especially the ones that work multiple salons part time. Moving some of the salon fee directly into their hands nets her more and costs you less. You must be very discreet though, and use a subtle lead-in to gauge interest. Some salons have unwarranted proprietary tendencies over their MPs even if the ladies are off the clock.
 

Jordd

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D-oh! I forgot to add one of the obvious ones. Some MPs are available for sessions outside of their salon and their normal work hours, especially the ones that work multiple salons part time. Moving some of the salon fee directly into their hands nets her more and costs you less. You must be very discreet though, and use a subtle lead-in to gauge interest. Some salons have unwarranted proprietary tendencies over their MPs even if the ladies are off the clock.
That’s gold.

A previous post reported a better offering abroad. What’s your take on foreign SPs relocated to Montreal?

One of my ATFs is from South America and she definitely sets herself apart from the others with her attitude. Of course rates are in line with the local market.
 

Jordd

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Im not sure with everyone elses experiances ..ya many studios over the years i went to i was given without being asked private cells and offered home service.
a lot of strip club id been to over the years i was offered without asking them to come to my house with a phone number and a price tag.
im not sure how common that is but escorts... i was offered to see outside of their work
I’ve had the same experience recently. So it must be common still.

Agree there is a cost saving, because no middle man. At the very least the client pays the same and the provider makes more.

However, the rates for take out were kind of crazy. Anyone have an idea of reasonable rates for take out?
 

Jordd

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if a studio has a a set rate
the girl is not getting the whole thing she pays the owner a room rate

so if you find the set rate reasonable simply offer her same at your place

i doubt any would go out for less than what your paying at their studio

so if a studio is 70 1 hr for example and the girl takes a 100 tip which is the lower range
150 would be an insentive for her to see you outside if she didn't offer at a 50% bonus for her time
id say its reasonable but some of them could ask considerably more
I’m talking about “takeout” from strip clubs.

I figure it should be at least the hourly rate she makes doing dances at the strip club.

I’ve been offered “une pipe a 50” in a strip club. Then anything from 300 to 1000+ for takeout.

Curious to know if there is a norm.
 

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That’s gold.

A previous post reported a better offering abroad. What’s your take on foreign SPs relocated to Montreal?

One of my ATFs is from South America and she definitely sets herself apart from the others with her attitude. Of course rates are in line with the local market.

It's hard to make a fair comparison, honestly, just because the process is so much different. In South America you get to hang out with the girls over drinks, have conversations, meals, dancing, whatever, before you ever go to do anything else. In Montreal you do the deed and that's pretty much it most of the time for most people, although some people certainly have social aspects to their interactions. Even so, it's nothing like being in South America where you could be with a girl for hours before ever going to bed with her. Even so, you're not obligated to go with her, or her with you. It's not paid social time, although you would pay for expenses, meals, drinks etc. It's considered polite not to waste a girl's time though, and usually they will only hang that way if they know you're going to leave with them later, provided nothing changes either's opinion. In that social process the girl is going to act much differently than she would here in Montreal, even if we're talking about the same girl and the same personality etc. Some of that warmth and personality will translate, but the interaction simply can't translate across borders because that's just not the way it's done here. Even with the same person your interaction i going to be radically different just because of the cultural norms.
if a studio has a a set rate
the girl is not getting the whole thing she pays the owner a room rate

so if you find the set rate reasonable simply offer her same at your place

i doubt any would go out for less than what your paying at their studio

so if a studio is 70 1 hr for example and the girl takes a 100 tip which is the lower range
150 would be an insentive for her to see you outside if she didn't offer at a 50% bonus for her time
id say its reasonable but some of them could ask considerably more

I can't speak to strip clubs because I don't frequent them, but as to the MPs you don't need to add bonuses for their time, or at least I don't, because I see them at their place, so no hassle for them. Their bonus is not having to go to work and getting some of the salon fee they'd otherwise not get. Extra cash and less travel for them, not more. I never bring anyone home to my place, but if you're asking them to travel then I suppose it makes sense to offer them something for that travel. Not an issue for me.
 
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Prices are not going down gents. Here is a simple explanation: We have the good old USA within less 100km from us and also within a few hours flight from their major eastern hubs. The Americans are here to enjoy the action and we can’t avoid it especially now that their currency is so strong. Also for a lot of Americans, Montreal is a known sexual tourist destination. Just my two cents.
 

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Prices are not going down gents. Here is a simple explanation: We have the good old USA within less 100km from us and also within a few hours flight from their major eastern hubs. The Americans are here to enjoy the action and we can’t avoid it especially now that their currency is so strong. Also for a lot of Americans, Montreal is a known sexual tourist destination. Just my two cents.
All true, and I have spent many tens of thousands of dollars in Montreal through the years for exactly this reason (although not in the last 6 years). From 2002 to 2010 I regularly travelled to Montreal for long weekend trips and felt like a kid in a candy store because of the exchange rate. I would exchange a few thousands dollars at the Calforex on Peel every trip. Is it still there? Anyway, I was happy to assist in stimulating your local economy. Now I leave this task to my younger and more energetic and libidinous American brethren. Although I have not been in Montreal since May 2019, a trip is likely in 2025 even if it doesn't include escorts.
 

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I would exchange a few thousands dollars at the Calforex on Peel every trip. Is it still there?
This made me smile. Yes, it's still there. I have established routines when I make it to Montreal and this is one of them. These days I also go around the corner to the SQDC shop for a little cannabis. Then a nap > dinner > (habs game sometimes) > date. I've got to plan a trip ... SOON.

[Edit: cannabis is legal and I hope it's okay to write this! Mods, please delete my post if you need to.)
 

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Prices are not going down gents. Here is a simple explanation: We have the good old USA within less 100km from us and also within a few hours flight from their major eastern hubs. The Americans are here to enjoy the action and we can’t avoid it especially now that their currency is so strong. Also for a lot of Americans, Montreal is a known sexual tourist destination. Just my two cents.
Yes there are Americans but that is a myth that they are the ones keeping the ladies busy.
It was always and always will be the local guys in Montreal who form the bulk of their clients.
Ladies raise their rates to what guys are willing to pay what the market will accept. I will never hold a grudge because of that, everybody is entitled to get the most they can for their work.
I may not be able to afford it but that is my problem not theirs.
 

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Yes there are Americans but that is a myth that they are the ones keeping the ladies busy.
It was always and always will be the local guys in Montreal who form the bulk of their clients.
Ladies raise their rates to what guys are willing to pay what the market will accept. I will never hold a grudge because of that, everybody is entitled to get the most they can for their work.
I may not be able to afford it but that is my problem not theirs.
100% agree with this. The locals are far and away the largest group of clients across the spectrum of local SPs, MPs etc. with that being said, it wouldn't surprise me at all to see more Americans coming up here since the exchange rate is a big incentive. Maybe to escape the constant bombardment of Trump news too. lol.
 

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Americans are keeping the "high end" ladies busy
for an American on business trips, or one that lives near (e.g. Vermont) MTL has to be paradise

at 1.44 rate and going up, this will continue
 
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