The Rising Cost of the Hobby and Rate Increases

[Jordd]

D-oh! I forgot to add one of the obvious ones. Some MPs are available for sessions outside of their salon and their normal work hours, especially the ones that work multiple salons part time. Moving some of the salon fee directly into their hands nets her more and costs you less. You must be very discreet though, and use a subtle lead-in to gauge interest. Some salons have unwarranted proprietary tendencies over their MPs even if the ladies are off the clock.

That’s gold.

A previous post reported a better offering abroad. What’s your take on foreign SPs relocated to Montreal?

One of my ATFs is from South America and she definitely sets herself apart from the others with her attitude. Of course rates are in line with the local market.

 

[Jordd]

Im not sure with everyone elses experiances ..ya many studios over the years i went to i was given without being asked private cells and offered home service.
a lot of strip club id been to over the years i was offered without asking them to come to my house with a phone number and a price tag.
im not sure how common that is but escorts... i was offered to see outside of their work

I’ve had the same experience recently. So it must be common still.

Agree there is a cost saving, because no middle man. At the very least the client pays the same and the provider makes more.

However, the rates for take out were kind of crazy. Anyone have an idea of reasonable rates for take out?

 

[Jordd]

if a studio has a a set rate
the girl is not getting the whole thing she pays the owner a room rate

so if you find the set rate reasonable simply offer her same at your place

i doubt any would go out for less than what your paying at their studio

so if a studio is 70 1 hr for example and the girl takes a 100 tip which is the lower range
150 would be an insentive for her to see you outside if she didn't offer at a 50% bonus for her time
id say its reasonable but some of them could ask considerably more

I’m talking about “takeout” from strip clubs.

I figure it should be at least the hourly rate she makes doing dances at the strip club.

I’ve been offered “une pipe a 50” in a strip club. Then anything from 300 to 1000+ for takeout.

Curious to know if there is a norm.

 

[urquell]

That’s gold.

A previous post reported a better offering abroad. What’s your take on foreign SPs relocated to Montreal?

One of my ATFs is from South America and she definitely sets herself apart from the others with her attitude. Of course rates are in line with the local market.

It's hard to make a fair comparison, honestly, just because the process is so much different. In South America you get to hang out with the girls over drinks, have conversations, meals, dancing, whatever, before you ever go to do anything else. In Montreal you do the deed and that's pretty much it most of the time for most people, although some people certainly have social aspects to their interactions. Even so, it's nothing like being in South America where you could be with a girl for hours before ever going to bed with her. Even so, you're not obligated to go with her, or her with you. It's not paid social time, although you would pay for expenses, meals, drinks etc. It's considered polite not to waste a girl's time though, and usually they will only hang that way if they know you're going to leave with them later, provided nothing changes either's opinion. In that social process the girl is going to act much differently than she would here in Montreal, even if we're talking about the same girl and the same personality etc. Some of that warmth and personality will translate, but the interaction simply can't translate across borders because that's just not the way it's done here. Even with the same person your interaction i going to be radically different just because of the cultural norms.

if a studio has a a set rate
the girl is not getting the whole thing she pays the owner a room rate

so if you find the set rate reasonable simply offer her same at your place

i doubt any would go out for less than what your paying at their studio

so if a studio is 70 1 hr for example and the girl takes a 100 tip which is the lower range
150 would be an insentive for her to see you outside if she didn't offer at a 50% bonus for her time
id say its reasonable but some of them could ask considerably more

I can't speak to strip clubs because I don't frequent them, but as to the MPs you don't need to add bonuses for their time, or at least I don't, because I see them at their place, so no hassle for them. Their bonus is not having to go to work and getting some of the salon fee they'd otherwise not get. Extra cash and less travel for them, not more. I never bring anyone home to my place, but if you're asking them to travel then I suppose it makes sense to offer them something for that travel. Not an issue for me.

 

[gyromaster]

Prices are not going down gents. Here is a simple explanation: We have the good old USA within less 100km from us and also within a few hours flight from their major eastern hubs. The Americans are here to enjoy the action and we can’t avoid it especially now that their currency is so strong. Also for a lot of Americans, Montreal is a known sexual tourist destination. Just my two cents.

 

[EagerBeaver]

Prices are not going down gents. Here is a simple explanation: We have the good old USA within less 100km from us and also within a few hours flight from their major eastern hubs. The Americans are here to enjoy the action and we can’t avoid it especially now that their currency is so strong. Also for a lot of Americans, Montreal is a known sexual tourist destination. Just my two cents.

All true, and I have spent many tens of thousands of dollars in Montreal through the years for exactly this reason (although not in the last 6 years). From 2002 to 2010 I regularly travelled to Montreal for long weekend trips and felt like a kid in a candy store because of the exchange rate. I would exchange a few thousands dollars at the Calforex on Peel every trip. Is it still there? Anyway, I was happy to assist in stimulating your local economy. Now I leave this task to my younger and more energetic and libidinous American brethren. Although I have not been in Montreal since May 2019, a trip is likely in 2025 even if it doesn't include escorts.

 

[talkinghead]

I would exchange a few thousands dollars at the Calforex on Peel every trip. Is it still there?

This made me smile. Yes, it's still there. I have established routines when I make it to Montreal and this is one of them. These days I also go around the corner to the SQDC shop for a little cannabis. Then a nap > dinner > (habs game sometimes) > date. I've got to plan a trip ... SOON.

[Edit: cannabis is legal and I hope it's okay to write this! Mods, please delete my post if you need to.)

 

[Fradi]

Prices are not going down gents. Here is a simple explanation: We have the good old USA within less 100km from us and also within a few hours flight from their major eastern hubs. The Americans are here to enjoy the action and we can’t avoid it especially now that their currency is so strong. Also for a lot of Americans, Montreal is a known sexual tourist destination. Just my two cents.

Yes there are Americans but that is a myth that they are the ones keeping the ladies busy.
It was always and always will be the local guys in Montreal who form the bulk of their clients.
Ladies raise their rates to what guys are willing to pay what the market will accept. I will never hold a grudge because of that, everybody is entitled to get the most they can for their work.
I may not be able to afford it but that is my problem not theirs.

 

[urquell]

Yes there are Americans but that is a myth that they are the ones keeping the ladies busy.
It was always and always will be the local guys in Montreal who form the bulk of their clients.
Ladies raise their rates to what guys are willing to pay what the market will accept. I will never hold a grudge because of that, everybody is entitled to get the most they can for their work.
I may not be able to afford it but that is my problem not theirs.

100% agree with this. The locals are far and away the largest group of clients across the spectrum of local SPs, MPs etc. with that being said, it wouldn't surprise me at all to see more Americans coming up here since the exchange rate is a big incentive. Maybe to escape the constant bombardment of Trump news too. lol.

 

[kstanb]

Americans are keeping the "high end" ladies busy
for an American on business trips, or one that lives near (e.g. Vermont) MTL has to be paradise

at 1.44 rate and going up, this will continue

 

[Jordd]

100% agree with this. The locals are far and away the largest group of clients across the spectrum of local SPs, MPs etc. with that being said, it wouldn't surprise me at all to see more Americans coming up here since the exchange rate is a big incentive. Maybe to escape the constant bombardment of Trump news too. lol.

Yes, but if they approach the rates in the USA or Toronto for that matter, there would be less incentive to travel to Montreal.

 

[urquell]

Yes, but if they approach the rates in the USA or Toronto for that matter, there would be less incentive to travel to Montreal.

I don't know if you can put a price on less Trump news.

 

[lou67]

All that to say,

Rates are going up, clients’ salaries aren’t following and eventually some will have to stop seeing SPs/MPs. Maybe they’ll turn to something else that’s free. Maybe they’ll give another chance to dating apps. Maybe they’ll do like that Toronto guy that loves back with his mom to save money and keep seeing SPs.

I can feel you. I was being facetious when I said “not again”. It’s a genuine concern but I don’t think creating multiple threads will give you the answers you are hoping for. Some of you will always counter argue the solutions and advice.

Not sure rates are going up every where, just saw a few independent SP`s go from $280, to $250, and one even said to March 2025.
I believe SP rates are like the housing market, they go up for no reasons. If it was 2-3 % per year no issue, not 20-25%!
regards

 

[Sylar]

Not sure rates are going up every where, just saw a few independent SP`s go from $280, to $250, and one even said to March 2025.

Care to share the ads? Thanks!

 

[Shantie_mtl]

I remember that Asservissante thread. The mods were kind with their light touch and to just let it run. People needed to get it off their chest.

Haha… MERB was just more fun with a little more drama.

And, to second the sentiment and add, both Martin’s were real gents. I didn’t use Asservissante nearly as much as xxxtase - but, like almost all of the agency owners and bookers back them, super authentic, super nice. I met the other Martin at his breakfast spot once. He’s probably my favorite booker / owner in Montreal. Sweet-talked me into so many girls I had zero intention of booking. But he knew, he knew something. Most of his rec’s were good, just spot on, like Daphne.Tied with Goodgirls Mike, who used to buy me drinks while we waited for a room to open up at the Chabrol. Hahaha. Fun times…

I know the owner of asservissante .. the line still work ! You can text .. they take off during covid ... but might be interested for a come back ♡

 

[Shantie_mtl]

Simple minded person logic…

“She has all this time to be here, business must be slow”

What you fail to realize is that some of us don’t need to be working full time to reach our financial goals. Some of us can allow ourselves long breaks without it affecting our finances

Exact I'm 95% time off everyday after 3:30 pm ... no week-end ;-) I dont want to see customer 12h a day .. 40 h week availability is enough... doesn't tell i fuck 40 h (no thanks)

 

[lou67]

Care to share the ads? Thanks!

Sent you the 3x names in private, not in the habit of promoting anyone , just commenting , have a good one

 

[psykick456]

I think inflation in canada is a lot worse than the official numbers suggest. If we're looking at the market for hobbying, it seems a lot higher than one would expect relative to international comps today, and that wouldn't have been true in the early to mid 2010s.

For example, the UAE can be one of the most expensive places in the world for Hobbying.

In Dubai, you can get an hour with a high quality gal for 500 to 600 AED or about CAD 196 to 234. These are usually model aesthetics type looking gals roughly comparable to what we'd get from the good agencies here. If you want a supermodel type, like victoria's secret supermodel type, you can usually get that for 1000 AED+ or about CAD 390 or even higher. I'm not going to discuss the budget ones since that market probably isn't a valid comparison group. But I think the comps with agency quality gals are probably the most relevant rather than the budget submarkets.

If we compared relative prices pre covid, hobbying would have been decidedly more expensive in the UAE than it is here in the north american market. I think inflation hit canada extremely hard and the canadian dollar is worth a lot less internationally which is why we can see that we are now more expensive than one of the most expensive countries to hobby on earth.

To be 100% clear, i'm not complaining about our price so much as using them to demonstrate that inflation is probably a lot higher than the official numbers suggest. I thoroughly enjoy the service i get from the agencies. I am happy to pay their prices lol just to make sure that's clear.

The point is to show that canada and maybe north america more broadly have gotten relatively more expensive relative to international comparisons. If we tracked for example the ratio of "International baddie price in canadian dollars/ local baddie price in canadian dollars" eg by dividing what is charged there by what is charged here for a similarly high quality gal, we'd notice that ratio would have changed so that the price of local cuties has increased at a higher rate than has the price of international cuties of similar quality.

 

[4me2]

It's quite useful, if you read between the lines a little. As for the hidden gems thread, go for it! Of course, history has dictated that the guys who are most likely to know the hidden gems are the least likely to share them in an open forum, at least here on MERB. Also, definitions of both "hidden gems" and "charging a bit less" are highly subjective. I would love for everyone to prove me wrong on this though.

If a hidden gem is reveal here it is obviously not hidden anymore and unfortunately chances are it may not be a gem for long...

 

[Paykah]

I have noticed that many SP rates are beginning to rise to levels that are becoming less and less appealing to the wallet and bank account.

How do you guys deal with it?

Has it provoked changes in your decision-making about whom you will see and how often?

Is there an amount that a SP reaches when you decide to look for alternatives?

What are the alternatives?

Thanks

taking this back to the OP;
Since I see MPs I can comment only on that end of the market.
Yes, it has changed my behaviors - I don't take as many chances as I used to. I used to explore as much as I could as often as I could. That meant enduring my fair share of disappointments (those alone could write a book lol) which is OK, I know what I am doing. Lately though, I focus on a few girls, that I already know well, have established a 'friendship' of sorts and we work off intimacy and continuity where boundaries are respected but also tested. This is my new "exploring"

My $$ output stays constant, but my returns are better. It's a personal thing.
I still take some chances on new faces - need to keep options available