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[Anna Bijou]

I've noticed that some of you seem to have a surplus of free time and I am exhausted from repeatedly clarifying myself. I regret to inform you that I cannot continue repeating and clarifying myself. However, please be assured that I am not opposed to you and I support you. I appreciate your viewpoint and hold no opposition to it. I hold high regards for you, your opinions, and perspectives, as a courteous individual. My intention is not to engage in any argument with you, therefore I sincerely apologize if my words were misinterpreted. I have conveyed my message and now I am progressing forward. It's alright if you fail to comprehend my perspective, as it's insignificant.

That's so disingenuous and condescending. No, you do not support us and I'm not sure how your words were misinterpreted as what you gave us is a big bowl of word salad. If your intention was not to argue, you would have done as others have and....not argued. I think it was wise for you to move on but you've only failed to take responsibility for your deplorable comments.

What you mistakenly interpret as surplus free time is actually the time we have to spend thinking about these things unlike you, who will never be in that situation and because of you+other men like you who have no problem identifying yourself as a danger to our safety. It's not surplus time issue, it's a safety issue. I'd much rather spend that time on other things but since you have enough surplus free time to remind us of it and add your toxic views, here we are.

It's hilarious that you'd complain of being exhausted. Some self-awareness would go a long way: I assure you that you don't have the first clue how exhausting it actually is. But as you've clearly shown your lack of empathy, and inability to de-center yourself in a discussion about something that will never affect you, we're left with a lot of gaslighting, whorephobia, victim blaming, and audacity. It's a ridiculous reply, you should have written nothing at all. We already knew you don't like or respect women from the previous posts, no further proof was required.


Anyway, I only came back because I came across this case in NSW Australia where you'll be interested to learn that it is, in fact, legally considered sexual assault. The law will eventually catch up here too... Maybe you'll have evolved on your own by then. I hope you don't have a daughter or a spouse. If you do, you must not like them very much.

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[Obvio-0bvio]

That's so disingenuous and condescending. No, you do not support us and I'm not sure how your words were misinterpreted as what you gave us is a big bowl of word salad. If your intention was not to argue, you would have done as others have and....not argued. I think it was wise for you to move on but you've only failed to take responsibility for your deplorable comments.

What you mistakenly interpret as surplus free time is actually the time we have to spend thinking about these things unlike you, who will never be in that situation and because of you+other men like you who have no problem identifying yourself as a danger to our safety. It's not surplus time issue, it's a safety issue. I'd much rather spend that time on other things but since you have enough surplus free time to remind us of it and add your toxic views, here we are.

It's hilarious that you'd complain of being exhausted. Some self-awareness would go a long way: I assure you that you don't have the first clue how exhausting it actually is. But as you've clearly shown your lack of empathy, and inability to de-center yourself in a discussion about something that will never affect you, we're left with a lot of gaslighting, victim blaming, and audacity. It's a ridiculous reply, you should have written nothing at all. We already knew you don't like or respect women from the previous posts.


Anyway, I only came back because I came across this case in NSW Australia where you'll be interested to learn that it is, in fact, legally considered sexual assault. The law will eventually catch up here too... Maybe you'll have evolved on your own by then. I hope you don't have a daughter or a spouse. If you do, you must not like them very much.

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Anna, I kindly ask that you refrain from misrepresenting my words and I would appreciate it if you do not attempt to interpret my intentions for me. If you truly understood who I am, you would not be making assumptions about my words or intent. Therefore, do you have a genuine knowledge of me to make such judgments? I have consistently displayed courteous behavior and hold a high level of regard for women and individuals in the service provider’sindustry. I hold no regard to clients who refuse to compensate service providers and I abhor individuals who commit sexual assault. It is wise to refrain from expressing your thoughts about me since they hold little significance, and even my own opinions are insignificant in the grand scheme of things. If you wish to pass judgment, then I shall reciprocate likewise. It appears that you possess significant challenges in dealing with males and are inclined towards constant debates over trivial matters.Instead of baselessly attacking people, explore a new interest to occupy your time. Displaying such behavior is similar to dealing with childish individuals.Mature and grow up.

 

[Peter McMillan]

Fascinating discussion. Decades ago I consented to have sex with my then wife (now ex-wife). My consent was conditional upon us being in an exclusive relationship. It turns out she was fucking other guys. I guess I’m also a victim of sexual assault.

 

[Obvio-0bvio]

Fascinating discussion. Decades ago I consented to have sex with my then wife (now ex-wife). My consent was conditional upon us being in an exclusive relationship. It turns out she was fucking other guys. I guess I’m also a victim of sexual assault.

Be mindful of what you say as Super Anna has the ability to manipulate your words and accuse you of falsehoods, claiming to know your intentions and thought process due to her strong intuition.

 

[Numerati]

Oh also what if she went and boinked someone before you and she caught an STD then gave it to you? Not fun getting gono on your throat.

 

[Anna Bijou]

Anna, I kindly ask that you refrain from misrepresenting my words and I would appreciate it if you do not attempt to interpret my intentions for me. If you truly understood who I am, you would not be making assumptions about my words or intent. Therefore, do you have a genuine knowledge of me to make such judgments? I have consistently displayed courteous behavior and hold a high level of regard for women and individuals in the service provider’sindustry. I hold no regard to clients who refuse to compensate service providers and I abhor individuals who commit sexual assault. It is wise to refrain from expressing your thoughts about me since they hold little significance, and even my own opinions are insignificant in the grand scheme of things. If you wish to pass judgment, then I shall reciprocate likewise. It appears that you possess significant challenges in dealing with males and are inclined towards constant debates over trivial matters.Instead of baselessly attacking people, explore a new interest to occupy your time. Displaying such behavior is similar to dealing with childish individuals.Mature and grow up.

I was not making assumptions and gave you the benefit of the doubt by asking what you meant. If you write something that is offensive and objectionable, are offered the opportunity to clarify but decline, then you can't blame others for what they make of your words. It's great if you've always been courteous in the past but it has nothing to do with this thread. I'm addressing your comment on this specific thread. As for this repeating attempt at shutting down what Julia or I said, it's disingenuous. You had time to post several times. If you're not prepared to discuss, don't post in the first place. It's not my problem if you don't know how to explain your comments. Your opinion on my time management wasn't requested. So I like to write, it's not a crime. I write a lot more that never gets posted so I'm not sure why it's an issue that I write about my views about different topics. No one's forcing you to read it, just ignore me if it bothers you that much.

I've been on these board a long time and your response doesn't surprise me. Why? Because it's like a script to bully providers because you don't like being challenged. There are a few more follow-ups scripts and the tone evolves by becoming dismissive, patronizing, manipulative and eventually full blown misogynistic. There's no need to go there because it would say more about you than me. My interests are none of your concern, I don't need your approval, thanks.

The actual issue is that if you comment something, whether here or anywhere, be ready to support your claims. It's called accountability and deflecting the blame on me for allegedly "possessing significant challenges in dealing with males" (based on what? lol) is quite interesting considering I literally make a living "dealing with males" as a provider and with male friends in my personal life...so I don't know why that's something you'd even bring up. Trust me, I have amazing conversations while 'dealing with males' and wouldn't give that up for anything. Maybe you're projecting, I don't know. But it would have just been simpler to clarify your comments or drop it. Instead you read a lot more into the last comment and completely ignored the actual article. I don't think I'm the one needing to grow up.

Fascinating discussion. Decades ago I consented to have sex with my then wife (now ex-wife). My consent was conditional upon us being in an exclusive relationship. It turns out she was fucking other guys. I guess I’m also a victim of sexual assault.

You don't understand. Your example has literally ZERO to do with the topic.

Be mindful of what you say as Super Anna has the ability to manipulate your words and accuse you of falsehoods, claiming to know your intentions and thought process due to her strong intuition.

Interesting I mentioned projection. You're really running with this one.

-Super Anna xo

 

[Anna Bijou]

I should mention that not every situation feels the same. At least, for me it didn't. I've had 3 incidents and I can say that only the last of those experiences felt like sexual violation. I had no strong opinion about it beforehand although I did believe the providers who did feel it was sexual assault for non consent. I also didn't understand consent as well as I now do, so that could be a reason. I'm not sure. It could explain why some of you do not get it.

I had one experience a really long time ago because I'd just had my laptop stolen and was touring, so when he said he'd sent the payment through PayPal, I had to give him the benefit of the doubt (this was pre smartphone days lol). After him giving bs about PayPal being the issue, a couple of days of back and forth for PayPal to confirm there was no transfer, the gloves came off and I went for him full force. He knew I wasn't bluffing, he paid the same day. I was angry but can't say it occurred to me that it felt like sexual assault.

I had 2 instances that are more recent that happened in the early days back in Montreal.

I think maybe when you get resolution, or at least get to "fight back" or retaliate, that feeling of powerlessness and being violated is eliminated? Because while I didn't get my money the 2nd time, I did end up dropping his brand new Samsung out of my 3rd floor window (not the smartest move but adrenaline). The satisfying sound of it crashing onto the pavement and the look on his face made up for the 30min rate he scammed.

The final and last time is the one that I experienced very differently. There are several reasons why that I'm not going to get into here I'm not sure I've even fully identified all of them. But there is a definite difference with the way he operated: predatory, premeditated. I saw him out and he was clearly was a scammer in all of his interactions with people.

Like I said, I'm not getting into the details but it was 100% sexual assault by deliberately having sexual activities in the full knowledge that I was not consenting to it if he wasn't planning to respect the terms my consent were dependent upon. Period. Full stop. It's not fraud, it's not theft. Sex is not something you can "steal", nor is my body or access to it.

2 out of those 3 times, I got a resolution I could live with. Only that last occurrence felt different, and I had to deal with the outcome for months. I GUARANTEE that a provider of any non sexual service having a client not pay doesn't experience any of those emotional reactions or harm I did. I get that it's triggering for you to be told that it's not about you but not everything is, so if you're not a provider you really don't know.

 

[Cap'tain Fantastic]

Sex is not something you can "steal",

That, right there! No explanations needed.

 

[Jordd]

That's so disingenuous and condescending. No, you do not support us and I'm not sure how your words were misinterpreted as what you gave us is a big bowl of word salad. If your intention was not to argue, you would have done as others have and....not argued. I think it was wise for you to move on but you've only failed to take responsibility for your deplorable comments.

What you mistakenly interpret as surplus free time is actually the time we have to spend thinking about these things unlike you, who will never be in that situation and because of you+other men like you who have no problem identifying yourself as a danger to our safety. It's not surplus time issue, it's a safety issue. I'd much rather spend that time on other things but since you have enough surplus free time to remind us of it and add your toxic views, here we are.

It's hilarious that you'd complain of being exhausted. Some self-awareness would go a long way: I assure you that you don't have the first clue how exhausting it actually is. But as you've clearly shown your lack of empathy, and inability to de-center yourself in a discussion about something that will never affect you, we're left with a lot of gaslighting, whorephobia, victim blaming, and audacity. It's a ridiculous reply, you should have written nothing at all. We already knew you don't like or respect women from the previous posts, no further proof was required.


Anyway, I only came back because I came across this case in NSW Australia where you'll be interested to learn that it is, in fact, legally considered sexual assault. The law will eventually catch up here too... Maybe you'll have evolved on your own by then. I hope you don't have a daughter or a spouse. If you do, you must not like them very much.

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BRAVO for finding that article! Your time was used wisely!
This really should end it. Nuff said. Microphone drop, whatever…

 

[Christian32]

Anyway, I only came back because I came across this case in NSW Australia where you'll be interested to learn that it is, in fact, legally considered sexual assault. The law will eventually catch up here too... Maybe you'll have evolved on your own by then. I hope you don't have a daughter or a spouse. If you do, you must not like them very much.

Note that he appealed and was granted bail for 6k. Still I am surprise that the first judge saw that as rape, certainly fraud in his case because he gave her fake money. but it is still a money thing.

Personally I think its wrong to call something "rape" when it is not clearly a rape... its just an example for some that women can do that to their ex... basically as a revenge.

I try to imagine a male escort claiming to have been sexually raped because he didn't get paid... I can only think that he would be laughed at and at the same time he would be exactly in same situation.

 

[Anna Bijou]

Note that he appealed and was granted bail for 6k. Still I am surprise that the first judge saw that as rape, certainly fraud in his case because he gave her fake money. but it is still a money thing.

Personally I think its wrong to call something "rape" when it is not clearly a rape... its just an example for some that women can do that to their ex... basically as a revenge.

I try to imagine a male escort claiming to have been sexually raped because he didn't get paid... I can only think that he would be laughed at and at the same time he would be exactly in same situation.

Are you sure about that? Like, are you really really sure about that? Maybe at least try a quick google search before your confidence leaves you looking a bit silly with your foot up to your ankle lodged into your mouth.

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Several of you have outed yourselves as clearly unsafe and uneducated about consent. And that's the most generous interpretation here. Not like the people who would benefit the most from the information are interested in understanding anything. They'd have to care and clearly they don't care about anything other than being right.

Beyond that, I'm gonna keep my thoughts to myself. I sincerely hope we're done with the rape apologist now but sadly I'm bet we're not.

Please note that it's not even the only example I found in less than 5min.

 

[Christian32]

Please note that it's not even the only example I found in less than 5min.

Well I am surprise by this case, for me again, its wrong to call it "rape", it is clearly a theft case, even the victim describe that way:

In one of the escorts' victim statement to the court, the man said he felt deeply betrayed and upset.

'I was relying on the money. I couldn't pay rent or buy food and I had to ask friends for money,' he said.

He should have been sentenced to pay them a lot of money, but not called a rapist...

I guess our opinion will have to differ

 

[Christian32]

Not using the "rape case" inappropriately, to keep the sense of the term is one goal here, but also cases like that (escort reporting getting rape because they didn't get paid) can only bring the "sex work" decades back: people will again assume that you can't willingly do this job, that clients are rapist and so it should be made completely illegal.

 

[Anna Bijou]

Well I am surprise by this case, for me again, its wrong to call it "rape", it is clearly a theft case, even the victim describe that way:

He should have been sentenced to pay them a lot of money, but not called a rapist...

I guess our opinion will have to differ

I mean, if you see being a rape apologist as a difference of opinion, sure.

That's what rapists can tell judges going forward: Your Honor, Christian32 from merb has a different opinion.


The use of the laughing emoji by @CLOUD 500 and yourself, considering the topic, is really disturbing and sick.

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Not using the "rape case" inappropriately, to keep the sense of the term is one goal here, but also cases like that (escort reporting getting rape because they didn't get paid) can only bring the "sex work" decades back: people will again assume that you can't willingly do this job, that clients are rapist and so it should be made completely illegal.

lol For who? Which one, between client and provider, would it set back decades? Definitely not providers. It's interesting you'd try to frame it as something that would hurt us. Trust me, it would definitely not set us back. Might set predators and sexual assault perpetrators back, though, I'll give you that.

Actually your logic sucks. It means the opposite. It means escorts can do it willingly, if they set the terms and those terms are respected. If the can make consent conditional, it means their consent is given willingly. Eliminating our right to set conditions for our consent is what sends the message that we have no agency and cannot be considered to be doing it willingly.


I'll re-iterate that Canada's criminal code does not use rape but rather sexual assault which is classified based on severity. Groping someone without consent would be considered sexual assault. It's not a question of either she's pinned down and violently raped or it can't be rape.

So if you don't see conditional consent as a critical aspect of consent, are you saying that consent by escorts and non sex workers is absolute and unlimited? A man can stealth (secretly remove condom), disregard restrictions, use deception or do whatever he wishes like film her without her knowledge, because she gave consent? I hate to burst your bubble but consent is specific and conditional. It doesn't give men permission to whatever they want from that point on.

I honestly don't know why you think your opinion even matters. You're not going to experience it, so how would you know? Why would your opinion matter against someone who could or has experienced it? The sheer audacity of some of you. The law will catch up, and it won't matter that our 'opinions differ'

 

[Christian32]

lol For who? Which one, between client and provider, would it set back decades? Definitely not providers. It's interesting you'd try to frame it as something that would hurt us. Trust me, it would definitely not set us back. Might set predators and sexual assault perpetrators back, though, I'll give you that.

Actually your logic sucks. It means the opposite. It means escorts can do it willingly, if they set the terms and those terms are respected. If the can make consent conditional, it means their consent is given willingly. Eliminating our right to set conditions for our consent is what sends the message that we have no agency and cannot be considered to be doing it willingly.

Here's my logic: There's already real rape happening in this industry and this is one of the reasons why there's legislation and apparently sex workers are not happy about it:
"sex work canada, 2nd google result: https://chatelaine.com/living/politics/sex-workers-pcepa-2022/ (Why Sex Workers Are Suing the Canadian Government—Again) :

Recent research from the Centre for Gender and Sexual Health Equity has revealed that since the implementation of PCEPA, sex workers have faced higher levels of violence, reduced access to sexual health information, outreach services and condoms and a reduced ability to negotiate sexual services and screen out bad clients when compared to pre-PCEPA rates.

... If we add a new type of rape related to the sex industry (aka we consider that client that don't pay committed as rapist and not thief) then the legislation can only become more strict.

Note: I am totally for that provider report them as theft and I think it would have a positive effect: there's theft everywhere / in all business and it shows that sex work is a normal work. Also good news: your first post confirm that it works.
Also of course real rape should be reported.

So if you don't see conditional consent as a critical aspect of consent, are you saying that consent by escorts and non sex workers is absolute and unlimited? A man can stealth (secretly remove condom), disregard restrictions, use deception or do whatever he wishes like film her without her knowledge, because she gave consent? I hate to burst your bubble but consent is specific and conditional. It doesn't give men permission to whatever they want from that point on.

I am not saying that. The consent is for what you want and the client must not do things outside what was consented. But the consent can't be conditional to something in the future.

I honestly don't know why you think your opinion even matters. You're not going to experience it, so how would you know? Why would your opinion matter against someone who could or has experienced it? The sheer audacity of some of you. The law will catch up, and it won't matter that our 'opinions differ'

We are mostly talking about the law and I am basically saying that... If I was jury, my judgement would be: it was theft or fraud but not rape.

About how I would feel in such situation... I have no idea indeed, but in that matter, the law shouldn't consider "i felt very very bad/upset/angry" as an argument.

 

[Anna Bijou]

Here's my logic: There's already real rape happening in this industry and this is one of the reasons why there's legislation and apparently sex workers are not happy about it:
"sex work canada, 2nd google result: https://chatelaine.com/living/politics/sex-workers-pcepa-2022/ (Why Sex Workers Are Suing the Canadian Government—Again) :

... If we add a new type of rape related to the sex industry (aka we consider that client that don't pay committed as rapist and not thief) then the legislation can only become more strict.

Note: I am totally for that provider report them as theft and I think it would have a positive effect: there's theft everywhere / in all business and it shows that sex work is a normal work. Also good news: your first post confirm that it works.
Also of course real rape should be reported.

There's no "real rape" vs "fake rape", so please stop saying that. I've already explained how sexual assault legislation works and there's nothing about rape in the criminal code anyway. It's also not your place to determine what "real" rape is or isn't.

We wouldn't be "adding a new type of rape" any more than we added a new type of rape when marital rape became illegal. It had always been rape, there was nothing new about it. What we did was recognize that something that had been accepted no longer was. That we no longer saw it as a husband's right and that wives had the choice to not consent, which husbands had to respect.

That's what happens in society, we evolve with the times and eventually so does the law.


But when you say it was fraud, if you take that just a bit further to its logical conclusion, it's hard to deny that's not sexual assault by fraud or deception (which actually does exist, that's what stealthing is - I believe).

It's not regular fraud. It's fraud with sex for which the victim was prevented from giving informed consent. There's no ignoring the sexual component of this situation and insisting its just like any fraud.

It's not EITHER theft/fraud OR sexual assault. It doesn't have to be one or the other. It's both. I don't understand what you mean by legislation will become more strict. Yes, that's the point..?


My first post confirms the man was arrested in this case, not that anything works or not. It's very easy to imagine many cops would not bother, or might even further victimize a provider who reports it. We don't know what kind of penalty he's going to receive, if any at all. It doesn't mean the Crown in another province would decide to even press charges or take it seriously.

The example shows these particular police officers did decide to arrest him. And that's all it tells us.

I am not saying that. The consent is for what you want and the client must not do things outside what was consented. But the consent can't be conditional to something in the future.

If you're not saying that, then what would be different about those situations, where consent is revoked afterwards because it comes to light that he did not respect the conditions, and the non payment situation?

Why can't it be conditional on the person respecting the agreement already made before consent and before sex? I mean, you're saying it can't but you're not giving any reason why, other than because you're saying so.

We are mostly talking about the law and I am basically saying that... If I was jury, my judgement would be: it was theft or fraud but not rape.

About how I would feel in such situation... I have no idea indeed, but in that matter, the law shouldn't consider "i felt very very bad/upset/angry" as an argument.

We're only talking about the law because another poster deflected to avoid having to explain his opinion (not regarding the law). I still addressed the claim and posted a case where it is actually the law.

That's not how jury's work. You can't possibly say what you'd do because you'd have to go with the way the law is written, and the specifics of any given case. What you personally believe wouldn't matter and you'd probably be excused from the get go if you already had an opinion that went against existing law.

The law doesn't consider "i felt very very bad/upset/angry" as an argument and no one has suggested that. Crimes against persons do consider the harm suffered by the victim, that's just normal.

 

[CaptRenault]

Be mindful of what you say as Super Anna has the ability to manipulate your words and accuse you of falsehoods, claiming to know your intentions and thought process due to her strong intuition.

“Hell hath no fury like a birthing person scorned.”

 

[lucerne]

This thread is still going on !?!?

Nice to see guys ganging up against a lady . It makes you look so good for anyone to read when you are after Anna .....Not !

Funny how people can back pedal and reformulate their own words when Anna mentions their statements about how a sexual assault is experienced and should be felt vs how she felt when experiencing one or the experience of other ladies she knows.

The mental acrobatics to justify those statements is quite beautiful grammatically but not so great in terms of human psychology.


If I were you guys I would do some reading like ...read article 273.1(1) of the criminal code . I would not be surprised if more progressive judges allow consent to be receded if some parameters changes in the course of an encounter which would make sense . Keep that in mind before being involved in this hobby .

 

[Christian32]

There's no "real rape" vs "fake rape", so please stop saying that. I've already explained how sexual assault legislation works and there's nothing about rape in the criminal code anyway. It's also not your place to determine what "real" rape is or isn't.

From now on I can call it "typical rape" but the reason is that in the definition of rape or sexual assault (it is very similar):

Rape is a type of sexual assault involving sexual intercourse or other forms of sexual penetration carried out against a person without their consent. The act may be carried out by physical force, coercion, abuse of authority, or against a person who is incapable of giving valid consent, such as one who is unconscious, incapacitated, has an intellectual disability, or is below the legal age of consent.[1][2] The term rape is sometimes used interchangeably with the term sexual assault.[3]

... there's no concept of "conditional consent".

It had always been rape

But when you say it was fraud, if you take that just a bit further to its logical conclusion, it's hard to deny that's not sexual assault by fraud or deception (which actually does exist, that's what stealthing is - I believe).

Ok, you can call it rape, but I personally don't.. that is just our opinion I guess as there's no official judgement on that: It could be deception, but so far the clause has not been use for that and mainly for when someone make the victim think that they are someone else.

While looking for this deception clause, I found for the UK:

In English law, the Court of Appeal in R v Linekar [1995] 3 All ER 69 73 ruled that the basis for such claims is "very narrow", ruling that refusing to pay for sexual services was a fraud, not rape.

Rape by deception - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Hopefully they will have the same clear ruling in Canada, but also just the fact that there's no specific ruling about it while it is something relatively common (I personally heard mutiple stories MP/SP not getting paid)... tells something: the sex industry manage to deal with it without blowing it out of proportion and forcing a judge to take a decision, which is a good thing.

Why can't it be conditional on the person respecting the agreement already made before consent and before sex?

1) Here's what the rape concept is for:

Modern rape laws are conceived primarily as a means to protect women and men against physical harm, emotional injury, and interference with sexual autonomy (the right to choose the circumstances of sexual intimacy).

Read more: Rape: Legal Aspects - Forcible Rape: Purpose Of The Law - Women, Sexual, Protection, and Traditionally - JRank Articles https://law.jrank.org/pages/1925/Rape-Legal-Aspects-Forcible-rape-purpose-law.html#ixzz82TNheiXg

... It is not to manipulate someone to do what you want by having sex with them.

2) It is your decision to have sex with someone before that they pay you. It is a known risk (hopefully) that you are taking and so if it happens, not break it out of proportion (aka report it as theft/fraud but not rape)

3) It would just be impossible to police: If we just stay to this simple example of payment node made: What if the client really lost the money while coming, that that you expected X amount instead of Y (something actually very common with extras), expected a better service...

It's not regular fraud. It's fraud with sex for which the victim was prevented from giving informed consent.

That is the problem: as a sex worker, you should be fully aware that you are providing the service before the payment, that there's (my estimate) 0.5% chance that the client doesn't pay and accept that it will be consider as theft or fraud but not rape. Otherwise, again, the government will just make sex work even more illegal because it won't see it as a normal job.

I don't understand what you mean by legislation will become more strict. Yes, that's the point..?

Buying sex will become even more illegal and the issue (that escorts are complaining about) is that it makes client go away (mainly thet good ones) and so less money and a bigger ratio of bad clients (typical rapist and pimp are not concerned about the not paying...)

That's what happens in society, we evolve with the times and eventually so does the law.

Indeed, but I personally hope for the good of typical rapes and the sex industry... that we won't go that route.

 

[CaptRenault]

Please just discreetly pay your provider up front & don't make them have to ask. xx

I prefer to deal with girls who have the class to trust me because I'm staying in a nice hotel and they already know far more about me than I know about them.

I leave the girl's fee in an obvious location and if a girl feels that it is necessary to pick it up and stand in front of me while counting it, then it's a mood killer. I immediately get the feeling that her performance will be apathetic. Fortunately most of the girls from the best agencies don't ask for payment up front. Occasionally I even have to remind them to pick up their fee before they leave.

When I go to McDonald's I expect to have to pay for my food before I get it. But when I go to a good restaurant, I expect to be treated with a certain degree of trust.