Dunno about Algeria, but Syria is willing if they return the Golan Heights and move forward with the 2 states solution. If they want peace, they can have it. They have practically killed all known leaders, so it is the right time to call it a victory and move on with peace. I am certain though that this madman will not. There will always be something or someone. He makes non distinction between peace, and surrendering. The first brings real peace, the second only some rest between rounds.
Hamas & Israel
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It makes no difference at all.
There are so many to fill his shoes sadly.
The hatred and killing will never stop, you do not forgive or forget your relatives, children being murdered on both sides because of one man or even a short period of calm and peace.
The hatred on both sides is so deep rooted it will be there way beyond our life time.
It will take generations if ever to resolve.
Human history does not support this point of view. Otherwise, hundreds of conflicts would still be going across Europe and elsewhere. Conflicts eventually die with decisive victory of one side or changing of the geopolitical reality and new generations unwillingness to sacrifice themselves for some blood feud of their ancestors.
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Yes they die but it takes generations. Nobody talks or cares about the Roman Empire or Attila the Hun or even the Ottoman Empire and all did their fare share of killing.
You really think hatred has died in the Balkans, between Turkey and Greece, Hungary and Romania.I can name you many more.
How many people living today had anything to do with the holocaust, has that died, have people forgotten and I am not saying they should luckily I will never know what it is like to live through those type of atrocities.
What is happening in the Middle East will not die in our life time for sure and possibly not in our children’s either.
Sorry for the lengthy post but it is needed to clarify my points.
Yes, there is definitely no love lost between Hungary and Romania and Turkey and Greece, but there is no any appetite for the armed conflict either and the relations has been mostly peaceful for quite a long time. The situation in the Middle East is specific as the conflict has been mostly fueled by external actors. USSR support for the Palestinian armed conflict was part of its proxy war with the West. Thousands of Palestinian terrorists have been trained in special camps in the USSR and Est Germany and have been indoctrinated correspondingly. This indoctrination persists in their collective psyche especially of their leaders. Even today Russia is maintaining contacts with Hamas and supports Hezbollah with arms and training. In the past, neighboring Arab countries were doing the same. However, there is no love lost between Palestinians and neighboring Arab countries now. Palestinian refugees instigated a short but very bloody civil war in Jordan at the beginning of 70s. They were instrumental and very ruthless in the brutal Lebanon civil war in 80’s. Kuwait still remembers atrocities of Palestinian refugees during Sadam’s invasion in 90’s. They paid their hosts for providing food and shelter by murdering hundreds and robbing thousands of Kuwaitis. Kuwait immediately expelled all two hundred thousand Palestinian refugees after the war. There is no love lost between Palestinians and Egypt either. Egypt closed the border with Gaza permanently because Hamas supported and participated in armed gangs of Muslim Brotherhood terrorising Sinai. Now, most of the Arab countries want to normalize relations with Israel. Russia is busy with Ukraine and is diminished in power. The primary support for the armed conflict is provided now by Iran. But it probably will dry soon. Without external support from “sponsors” and a limited and controlled monetary assistance from international institutions the appetite for the armed conflict will die. I suspect that Palestinians will soon understand that economical and cultural development is more sure way to statehood than futile armed struggle and terrorism.
My sincere hope is that the succession of horrible, terrorist leaders the Palestinians have had, and the hardships that those leaders deliberately and with great intent forced the Palestinians to endure, will cause a large segment of their population to smell
the coffee and realize how they have been manipulated pawns sacrificed for improper agendas. It's been almost 80 years now of lost wars, economic stagnation and regression, and extreme hardships born out of futile armed struggle and terrorism. Time to get new leaders and new agendas.
Couldn’t agree more
Peace is the only way out
But who would be the peace figure on the Palestinian side? . Who would change the islamo destructive hatred ideology ?
It’s not about land my friend. The world wants the Palestinians to have a land but their leaders have other plans. History is there to prove it
In the same way, who would be the peace figure on the Israelian side?
After the clean up made in Gaza and now in Lebanon, Israel must act.
First step is to retrocede the settlements in an orderly manner with a clear timeline.
The Arabic countries having good relations with Israel could represent the Palestinians and help to structure a new state.
Snakejack,
One question: why would Hamas need to keep their new leader's identity secret if his or her initiative was peace and not "Death to Israel"????????
Israel only kills those whose stated goal is death to Israel. They have never killed leaders who wanted peace. Anwar Sadat was killed by his own people.
One question: why would Hamas need to keep their new leader's identity secret if his or her initiative was peace and not "Death to Israel"????????
'Destruction all around us': BBC reports from site of Israeli strike in Beirut that killed 18
The Israeli military previously said it hit a "Hezbollah target" near Lebanon’s largest public hospital - adding that the facility was not targeted.
www.bbc.com
Eager,Snakejack,
One question: why would Hamas need to keep their new leader's identity secret if his or her initiative was peace and not "Death to Israel"????????
Israel only kills those whose stated goal is death to Israel. They have never killed leaders who wanted peace. Anwar Sadat was killed by his own people.'Destruction all around us': BBC reports from site of Israeli strike in Beirut that killed 18
The Israeli military previously said it hit a "Hezbollah target" near Lebanon’s largest public hospital - adding that the facility was not targeted.www.bbc.com
Why Israel is still in the process of making new illegal settlements in 2024?
Who killed Ytsak Rabin ?
Assassination of Yitzhak Rabin | Israeli Prime Minister, Peace Deal, & Oslo Accords | Britannica
The assassination of Yitzhak Rabin took place on November 4, 1995, following a mass peace rally in Tel Aviv. He was killed by a Jewish extremist, Yigal Amir, who was angry about the Oslo Accords.
www.britannica.com
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Really.....Israel needs to kill babies to defend itself ....
Israeli soldiers don’t put gun to the baby head and pull the trigger. Hamas terrorists did exactly that and there are videos of these horrible acts. If Israeli soldiers came under fire from say some building, they may respond by firing tank shell back or by dropping a bomb on a mortar position placed inside a mosque or a school and killing some civilians inside. The civilian casualties during battles in urban arias are inevitable including innocent babies if they are not evacuated. You must however have a very narrow tunnel vision by not seeing the difference. As Golda Meir ones said, we may one day forgive you for killing our people, but we will never forgive you for forcing us killing yours.
Eager,
Why Israel is still in the process of making new illegal settlements in 2024?
Who killed Ytsak Rabin ?
Assassination of Yitzhak Rabin | Israeli Prime Minister, Peace Deal, & Oslo Accords | Britannica
The assassination of Yitzhak Rabin took place on November 4, 1995, following a mass peace rally in Tel Aviv. He was killed by a Jewish extremist, Yigal Amir, who was angry about the Oslo Accords.
Israel has proposed many times to freeze building new settlements in exchange for stopping all terror activity by Palestinians. Palestinians has decided that seeing dead Israelis give them more satisfaction. Thus, stopping new settlements is regarded by many Israelis as caving to terrorist pressure. As for Yitzhak Rabin assassination, he was killed by the right-wing religious extremist. Israel is not the only country that has this kind of bad apples.
Why is Israel still building new settlements ?
And could you please give us your sources when you say that Israel proposed to stop the illegal settlements in exchange for peace?
Eager ?Eager,
Why Israel is still in the process of making new illegal settlements in 2024?
Who killed Ytsak Rabin ?
Assassination of Yitzhak Rabin | Israeli Prime Minister, Peace Deal, & Oslo Accords | Britannica
The assassination of Yitzhak Rabin took place on November 4, 1995, following a mass peace rally in Tel Aviv. He was killed by a Jewish extremist, Yigal Amir, who was angry about the Oslo Accords.
Eager,Snakejack,
One question: why would Hamas need to keep their new leader's identity secret if his or her initiative was peace and not "Death to Israel"????????
Israel only kills those whose stated goal is death to Israel. They have never killed leaders who wanted peace. Anwar Sadat was killed by his own people.'Destruction all around us': BBC reports from site of Israeli strike in Beirut that killed 18
The Israeli military previously said it hit a "Hezbollah target" near Lebanon’s largest public hospital - adding that the facility was not targeted.www.bbc.com
Why Israel is still building illegal settlements in 2024? Do you support that?
You say that Israelis never killed leaders who wanted peace. Can you tell me who killed Ytzak Rabbin ?
Assassination of Yitzhak Rabin | Israeli Prime Minister, Peace Deal, & Oslo Accords | Britannica
The assassination of Yitzhak Rabin took place on November 4, 1995, following a mass peace rally in Tel Aviv. He was killed by a Jewish extremist, Yigal Amir, who was angry about the Oslo Accords.
www.britannica.com
On ne peut comprendre ce qui arrive aujourd'hui sans prendre du recul et reconnaitre que le projet sioniste est assez simple. Il a été mis en pratique avant même la création d'Israel : nettoyage ethnique, explulsion des arabes, accaparation des terres, destruction de la culture palestinienne, apartheid pour les arabes vivant en Israel et maintenant pure génocide. Quand les palestiniens réagissent de façon horrible, ça ne fait que justifier une accélération du plan par Israel. Les horreurs commises régulièrement par les deux parties nous font oublier la vue d'ensemble.
The last time was in 2009 when Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu implemented a 10-month freeze on settlement construction in the West Bank in an attempt to jumpstart peace talks with the Palestinians. The moratorium on settlements has been also implemented several times in the 90's to promote peace negotiations.
