Higher Summer Season Rates!!!

[Joe.t]

...think of the last awesome SP that you saw at $180(I have seen many), now do you think that someone who charges $300HR is going to be that much better, not bloody likely,...

Hello Joe.t,

So we agree!!! :faint: :thumb:

Be careful. Les connaisseurs des HDHs might suggest you just don't have the properly cultivated escort palate to appreciate the finer delicacies of being with a $300/hr "superior lady".

You're right. Someone like Samy...was always SAMY at any price.

Cheers,

Merlot

In the end it is their money and they can see whoever they want even if it is a waste, but mind you there will always be exceptions(Samy).

 

[Joe.t]

I see this question from two different angles.

First of all I'm probably one of the poorest members here on merb (which doesn't make me less of a gentleman/nice customer), so I can't afford many sps and I can't afford the most expensive ones. I have to choose according to my budget. I'd love to book Kelly Summer of Maria Divina, or the beautiful Sydney Lacroix, but 300h for and hour is just too much money for me. I'll go for them when the prices go down, if they do. I've had great times with Thalia at 160$ (I live in the near downtown area) and I always priorise Jessy's agency because of the quality of the service and the reasonability of the rates. 160$ is still A LOT OF MONEY for an hour of fun, it's easy to forget that when you drive a Mercedes (but not when you struggle to pay your rent). You can find good rates at Chloes, Satin Dreamz, Montreal Angels, and some girls at Eleganza, Good Girls, you know it (just trying to be fair to everybody here). Merbites are not the only clientele of agencies, we can't control what they do, but we can vote with our money. So like it's been said before, don't go past a certain price. I find the 200$ reasonable, but even that's a bit high for me. I try to stay around 160-180 and I'm happy that way.

On the second hand, I come from a domain where demand pretty low compared to the supply and our rates haven't been going up in many years (hence my poorness). I understand the fight of getting paid accordingly to what we're worth. That being said, value is hard to define. It's been only defined by supply and demand. Everybody needs a house, so plumbers and electicians will always have good rates. Everybody needs sex, and us guys have strong pulses for hot ladies (especially with the humongous amount of porn out there). We're addicted to women, we want more, hotter and more. Even most faithfull men will struggle with temptation, it's how we're wired. Providers will exploit this addiction, the same way any buisness will develop around a need (they don't even have to create the need, it's there already). Girls are in this buisness for money. I've read many comments of sps here that say they do it to meet gentleman and love their work. I believe them. However, the money exchange will always fuck it up (if I want to meet you, I won't charge you lol). If you make a buisness out of it, the relationship doesn't make sense, other than a buisness transaction. Who sais buisness sais negociation, direct or indirect, you can't avoid it.

Service wise most of the HDH girls couldn't hold a candle to some of the $180HR gems that are out there so don't fret, what you do get with some of the HDH/$300 girls are that they are very beautiful, but then again so are some of the $180 girls, like I said before, from my experience anything over $200.00 is not money well spent, unless money is not a issue for you.

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

...what you do get with some of the HDH/$300 girls are that they are very beautiful, but then again so are some of the $180 girls, like I said before, from my experience anything over $200.00 is not money well spent, unless money is not a issue for you.

God, I hate agreeing with you, Joe. The key word is some. Actually there are three big differences between LDL and HDH: 1) voodoo 2) mertz and 3) PT Barnum.

(At least I'm not going to get chewed out by Big Daddy for "excessive quoting." That's two points on your license, Joe.)

 

[rollingstone]

This whole HDH vs LDL issue was of great interest to me so in my recently concluded trip I booked an HDH for one night for 6 hours and a duo with 2 top-rated LDLs for 8 hours the next evening. While I enjoyed my time with both, I spent my time with the LDLs thinking how much more fun I would be having with the HDH from the night before. Even if you eliminate the non-sexual features (e.g. conversation, foreplay and presentation) the sex with the HDH was far superior than sex with the two LDLs. Her BJ skills and FS were far superior than anything I experienced with the LDLs. And the HDH cost me less.

 

[rollingstone]

@Wallseye: My income is nothing special - its just that I hobby very infrequently.

I realize that my observations do not define a trend, but in the end I have to rely on my personal experience. I did have to kick out one HDH because of a hygiene issue but the list of unsatisfactory LDL encounters that I have endured is as long as my arm. In the end the only LDL gems I have seen were women I could never book during their agency days and had to wait until they went indy, e.g. Karyna or Annabelle.

 

[Merlot]

...the sex with the HDH was far superior than sex with the two LDLs. Her BJ skills and FS were far superior than anything I experienced with the LDLs. And the HDH cost me less.

My income is nothing special...

I realize that my observations do not define a trend...

Hello Rollingstone,

Interesting story.

Respectfully sir, I'm not sure why anyone would spend their money on such a small unrepresentative unnamed and seemingly random sample of ladies since you realize the main problem with doing so, not to mention the wasted money. If you had chosen, for example, Elena and Molly versus Samy it might be more enlightening, but it's one opinion just as for anyone. We all agree the average HDH is more satisfying than the average LDL. But the real counter-argument is there is no significant difference between "LDL gems" versus the best HDHs considering the rates, or regardless of the rates.

The best indicator of the truth would be a survey of the largest number of members over a fair period of time. That's pretty much what the last three Best GFE nomination threads and final polls are. The results show LDL gems are at least as good as the best HDHs, and you'd have to work to find just a few ladies in the nominations charging the $300 marker PT and others suggests makes the difference. Since you suggest the personal income of a hobbyist doesn't make much difference in being informed on this issue between LDLs and HDHs then affordability can't be considered much of a factor either.

Cheers,

Merlot

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

We all agree the average HDH is more satisfying than the average LDL. But the real counter-argument is there is no significant difference between "LDL gems" versus the best HDHs considering the rates, or regardless of the rates.

The best indicator of the truth would be a survey of the largest number of members over a fair period of time. That's pretty much what the last three Best GFE nomination threads and final polls are. The results show LDLs are at least as good as the HDHs, and you'd have to work to find just a few ladies in the nominations charging the $300 marker PT and others suggests makes the difference.

First off, we do not all agree. I've stated repeatedly that I don't find any difference at all, except perhaps in the HDH's ability to root suckers out of the woodwork.

Second, I don't believe that even you agree, as evidenced by the second piece that I've highlighted in bold.

 

[Joe.t]

Hello Rollingstone,

Interesting story.

Respectfully sir, I'm not sure why anyone would spend their money on such a small unrepresentative unnamed and seemingly random sample of ladies since you realize the main problem with doing so, not to mention the wasted money. If you had chosen, for example, Elena and Molly versus Samy it might be more enlightening, but it's one opinion just as for anyone. We all agree the average HDH is more satisfying than the average LDL.
Merlot

Who is we? I certainly don't, it is a total WASTE OF MONEY, especially the ones that are $300 and over, but like I said before there will always be exceptions like Samy, Chloe Milan, Judy from indysecrets who were fantastic when I saw them and gave more than what was expected.

 

[Merlot]

Hey Rumps,

First off, we do not all agree. I've stated repeatedly that I don't find any difference at all, except perhaps in the HDH's ability to root suckers out of the woodwork.

Second, I don't believe that even you agree, as evidenced by the second piece that I've highlighted in bold.

I misworded the some of the second paragraph. It's been corrected.

Your assertion isn't logical. But before I elaborate on why let's start with the fact that according to the reviews I've seen from you, you have probably not met many of the "average LDLs" in a long time. Elena, Marylin Minx, Molly, and a lot of others you seem to have met are far from the average LDLs. They are "gems". You seem to do a good job of picking these out and enjoying yourself. Hey, more power to anyone who has learned to weed out lesser quality ladies. Why would you or anyone want lesser quality. But being successful with finding gems has probably skewed your perspective on what an average LDL is, as it would anyone's. Add the fact that you just said 90% of your business in the last 6 months has gone to Chloe's, voted the best agency for two straight years, and you definitely aren't seeing the average LDL much, if at all!

Back to your statement being illogical, The key words here are "average" and "gems". The average LDL nearly always arrives in jeans, doesn't look as pretty as the average HDH, doesn't have to worry about being GFE as much to justify a higher rate, isn't as well spoken and more likely to have a poorer attitude, is more transitory in the business and therefor not as accountable for her performance, and often late...frequently very late. That doesn't mean many HDHs are not also flawed. The difference between the two types isn't very large, but on the whole HDHs are slightly better on the average in every aspect. Though I've had a number of disappointing encounters with HDHs based on the hype and rate, I've had only one bad one. With LDLs my experiences, and I suspect those of most members, were not as good on the overall with the generic LDLs versus the generic HDHs.

Still, I totally agree with everyone who says the best LDLs are more satisfying than their HDH counterparts. I'd put an LDL gem up against a similar HDH any time. But I'm not going to overreach by suggesting any average LDL is just as good as any average HDH. That doesn't fit my experiences since 2001 or what has been written by many others on this and other boards over time. Your statement would be true if all LDLs were like the ladies previously named, but most aren't close to ladies like them.

Cheers,

Merlot

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

You seem to do a good job of picking these out and enjoying yourself. Hey, more power to anyone who has learned to weed out lesser quality ladies. Why would you or anyone want lesser quality. But being successful with finding gems has probably skewed your perspective on what an average LDL is, as it would anyone's.

Actually, Merlot, I don't claim any particular talent at rooting out the gems. I simply read reviews and, thankfully, there are enough good, intelligent writers posting them. So maybe I should add a disclaimer to my assertion that guys who see HDH girls are suckers. Perhaps they're just illiterate or lazy.

As far as "average" LDL and "average" HDH, I've been to parties hosted by both Montreal Girlfriends and Devilish and spied dozens of girls at each. I can't tell you how underwhelmed I was at the MGF party.

 

[letsrock2012]

This thread is interesting.. although a few acronyms are a mystery to me - HDH His Divine Holiness? LM Lean Mass? LDL Little Dog Laughed ??
But seriously.. I've just seen an ad by someone who advertises on this board.. and she asks ... hold on to your socks... 1,000$ for 3 hours
she does not seem to do an hour meeting... she has a web site.. she looks awesome... but 1,000$ ... way above my paygrade ...
I wonder if it's such a great experience????

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

I arrived at the party @around 11pm & was told by some of my buddies that you had left earlier with Joe T in order to watch the baseball game (playoffs).

Yup, Iris was one of the two attractive girls there. The other was Jasmine, who didn't even work for that agency. She did, thereafter, work for them for a couple of weeks.

There was one girl there, supposedly a legend, who was wearing a kilo of face makeup in a failed effort to cover her acne scars. HDH?

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

Doc Holliday;
No argument here, Doc, however Devilish ain't asking you to refinance your mortgage.

And who you calling a geezer, Son? Hasn't anyone told you that 60 is the new 20? And as for guilty, guilty of what? Guilty of paying 300$ for what you can get for 160$? Not me. And isn't that the topic here? I'm guilty of a lot of things, just ask the ex-wives, but that isn't one of 'em.

 

[Stoo]

Greetings from Ontario... I just popped in and noticed this thread. We are seeing a bit of "rate creep" here too... Quite extreme in some cases. One of my favorite indies increased her rate from $200 to $300 recently. I have resisted seeing her, but finally succumbed and booked an appointment for later in the week. It will be interesting to see if her service has changed. I know her well enough to raz her a bit

 

[hungry101]

She's about to get "Stoooooooooooed"

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

Wow, I`m gonna get me a sex change operation and go to work for Eleganza. He`s now advertising that he`s paying his girls "up to $300 an hour!!!!"

https://merb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...t-our-rates!!!&p=626505&viewfull=1#post626505

Lessee, if he`s charging 180$ an hour and giving his driver 20$ and paying the girl 300$, that means he`s losing 140$ per hour. If he`s got six girls working, each averaging 4 hours per night, he`s losing 3360$ per night, 23,520$ per week. At that rate, it would take him 42.52 weeks to lose 1,000,000. Now that`s what I call philanthropy.

 

[Doc Holliday]

My guess is that potentially, she can make $300 an hour if she's in Summer & Kelli's league price-wise, plus gets to do all the extras she charges for ($50-80 for anal, $40 for swallow, etc) and/or does couples if she's priced lower.

This way, if her rates are $240, she may get $180, add $40 for swallow, and $80 for greek. The total adds up to $300.

However, let's face it: it's likely nothing more than a selling job.

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

Wow, I'm gonna get me a sex change operation and go to work for Eleganza. He's now advertising that he's paying his girls "up to $300 an hour!!!!"

And now we have Angel Escorts advertising, "We pay more than all other agencies~no agency can afford our salary." Holy bejeezus. What's he paying the girls??? 400$ an hour, 500$ an hour?? 600$ an hour??? How can these guys afford to lose all this money?

 

[centaur]

And now we have Angel Escorts advertising, "We pay more than all other agencies~no agency can afford our salary." Holy bejeezus. What's he paying the girls??? 400$ an hour, 500$ an hour?? 600$ an hour??? How can these guys afford to lose all this money?

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'Cause it's BS none of these girls go home with 3-400 a shot...we know what we pay....I suspect Tony,he is a straightshooter never BS me,, is telling the truth,he is not quoting any amount,the others pay less just pretend to pay more to attract them

 

[Doc Holliday]

the others pay less just pretend to pay more to attract them

This sell has been going on for as far as i can remember. The girls get coaxed to switch agencies, they first earn bigger $$ as promised, and then, the promises get broken & their take-home pay gets to be the same as the other girls who've been there for a while.....and the girls then go back working for their previous agencies.

As the old saying goes...."Promises, promises, promises."

I also know of cases (several years ago) where girls were promised considerable more money if they switched agencies. However, the girls weren't told that they had to work 10-12 hour shifts & see 8-10 'clients' per shift in order to make more money.