The real problem being, in my opinion is that 80 to 90% of the ladies who advertise as hdh's and charge hdh prices are in fact no better looking and offer no better service then the average ldh, about the only thing you get for the extra $$$$$$$ is the lady is more likely to show up on time.
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The real problem being, in my opinion is that 80 to 90% of the ladies who advertise as hdh's and charge hdh prices are in fact no better looking and offer no better service then the average ldh, about the only thing you get for the extra $$$$$$$ is the lady is more likely to show up on time.
I assume that you're speaking about independents, Jeff. And you're 100% correct. She's also might be better dressed. And that's about it.
Somebody mentioned in another thread that it had turned into an HDH bashing thread. That wasn't really the case. It had turned into a thread bashing the suckers who fall for the HDH ruse.
Yes i am speaking about independents and there are perhaps about 10% of these ladies at the most who may be worth what they charge because they truly stand out above there competition but at least 90% are over priced in my opinion. Every now and then with research and a little luck you can come across some top agency ladies who easily match the top 10% of the indy market but they are rare but by the same token a top, top indy is also like looking for a needle in a haystack. The overwhelming majority of ladies wether they are indy or agency falls into the average category and that's a fact. I should add there is nothing a matter with average, it is not meant as a put down as there is not many who post on this board at our age myself included that can pick up the average 18 to 25 year old anymore and if we could we probably wouldn't be on the boards.
I couldn't have said it any better. It is my opinion that the large majority of high priced independents today are overpriced & the cost-conscious hobbyist (and one with a brain) would be better off sticking with the $180-200 priced agency sps (or Miss Bianka) and get as much value (if not more) for his hard-earned $$. Good bargains can even be had in the $160 if you do your research (and a bit of luck) properly.
Look, i don't blame Eleganza for raising the rates of two of his more popular girls if the new rates keep them as busy as they were at the $200 level. You're in this business to make money (and keep your top talent) and you might as well capitalize on your opportunities when they present themselves. If you hate their higher rates, then simply take your business elsewhere or see another girl. Trust me, there won't be that much of a difference between them.
It's been my experience over the years that the market will take care of itself accordingly.
Look, i don't blame Eleganza for raising the rates of two of his more popular girls if the new rates keep them as busy as they were at the $200 level. You're in this business to make money (and keep your top talent) and you might as well capitalize on your opportunities when they present themselves. If you hate their higher rates, then simply take your business elsewhere or see another girl. Trust me, there won't be that much of a difference between them.
It's been my experience over the years that the market will take care of itself accordingly.
Hmmm,
If HDHs are those ladies who charge over $200/hour then I haven't seen enough in recent years to make a fair comparison. But for about the first 6 years of hobbying the HDHs were definitely prettier, with hotter bodies, and with a generally more polished character and presentation than LDLs. Still, I have to agree the overall difference isn't much. Many LDLs are HDH calibre and plenty of HDHs are more about style than substance or performance.
Having a great encounter isn't all about the beauty of looks, a fantastic body, or a great menu of sexual options for me. Yeah it's great if one can find all of that at a nice rate, but I'd rather have a mutually satisfying meeting with a lady that has just a bit of that mysterious simple je ne sais quois appeal in fine little attributes like bright eyes, a sweet smile, and a charming presence. The trouble with many HDHs is they are too often marking up their rates for more stylized packaging and professional service regardless of the sweet little elements that I enjoy.
Cheers,
Merlot
Bianka - I applaud your efforts to stem the tide of inflation in Montreal. Also, you have the right to charge whatever you like. However, girls calling you to encourage you to increase your rate is an illegal activity. This is price fixing. Next time they call you tell them that they are in violation of international law and you will not be party to such conversations.
Let the free market work!
Yeah that ought to scare the G-string right off of them, i am sure they would be really concerned about Bianka going to the authorities and reporting this but anyway good for Bianka for running her biz the way she sees fit and not paying attention to her competition.
What?? You don't think the RCMP is concerned about inflation in the sex trade?
Mike4u,
a great job on the specials 2hrs/$300 can't beat that especially on a lady with Beverly's reputation I have not had the pleasure of meeting her yet but if i was in montreal today i would be jumping at the chance to meet her at that price. There are other great values there also like Kim 2hrs/$300. Great job keep it up.
a great job on the specials 2hrs/$300 can't beat that especially on a lady with Beverly's reputation I have not had the pleasure of meeting her yet but if i was in montreal today i would be jumping at the chance to meet her at that price. There are other great values there also like Kim 2hrs/$300. Great job keep it up.
I am going to PM Bianca and tell her to say "Cease and desist" every time another escort or pimp calls her about price fixing!
This ought to have the same impact as Gomer Pyle calling out "Citizen's Arrest."
Sorry guys, I just got out of an ethics training class when I read the replys to Bincas's note. I was chuckling when I wrote it.
Good for Bianca though!
Has anybody tried the new agency advertising here, Montreal Nuits? They're advertising one hour for 180$, two for 280$
What a strange thread!
I didn't peruse the whole thread but after reading a couple of posts there is something that really bothers me here.
A lot of the posters - mostly Americans or people living outside of Québec - that are complaining about the « inflated » summer rates in Montréal were themselves the direct cause of the big raise that took place a couple of years ago. They spoiled the playground in our own backyard and now they are crying over spilled milk....:nono:
I didn't peruse the whole thread but after reading a couple of posts there is something that really bothers me here.
A lot of the posters - mostly Americans or people living outside of Québec - that are complaining about the « inflated » summer rates in Montréal were themselves the direct cause of the big raise that took place a couple of years ago. They spoiled the playground in our own backyard and now they are crying over spilled milk....:nono:
protag we are not the reason for increase, but uninformed people from the US may be,,maybe even some that are indeed informed of the usual rates and services as even the original poster of this thread was told of the price hike but still kept his appointment! im sure most travellers have no idea this board or any other exists so they are easily duped and hence agencys fell they can charge more, they are actually some valid reasons for the hike also, price of gas is higher cost of living etc.,, although the 160 of a few years ago to the semi-standard 200 of now is a bit rediculous in such a short time thats like a 25% increase!!!
Hello all,
Alyssa. Just asking where the "16h" number comes from? Is this just a guess or theory? I have heard of this kind of schedule several years ago, though not for so many hours. No doubt such situations still exist, but it seems very rare nowadays. In the last 6 years or so I've never heard of anyone doing this, and I haven't seen an agency schedule like this anywhere. What I get from agencies and see reported from clients are 6-9 hour availabilities and fewer days overall being very common.
I sympathize greatly with any lady who is in the position you describe, but even if that were the case why should clients pay more just to shorten her hours. That becomes little more than charity to shorten work load because it removes the basic earning standard of quality level. A lady working that much needs rescuing, but it can't justify raising rates.
It might be hard to believe some middle-aged hobbyist cares at a basic level about what is really happening to these ladies. I have felt this way about many I have met. But that has nothing to do with the basics that rates should be earned not created just to shorten the day. If the ladies who say they enjoy this industry want real business of respectability then value in price comes with the territory.
Could you point out the specific evidence of this. To start with I've been around a long time and I am not clear about who is who in most cases regarding nationality, including you, up until what seems obvious now. In my own case I have cut the number of encounters in half and been much more value conscious since 2006. Multiple polls have shown many others everywhere cutting back since 2008, including "outsiders" posting here.
In the case of some agencies, Americans seem to have trouble getting appointments with the popular ladies, the ones with the rates going up because of locals who have a large advantage with much easier access. Much easier and more frequent access by locals alone would make your assessment hard to support.
Good post. I think "Protag" went for the excuse answer. Looking at how multiple boards have fought rising rates, and the low relative effectiveness of that, it makes sense that two of the bigger elements of a great body of ill-informed clients and economic conditions have had greater impact. One indicator would be the survival of bait and switch agencies who go on despite exposure that alerts the knowledgeable board hobbyist. I have been amazed to see the advertisements indicating open business of some B&S agencies. Either the exposure was inaccurate or it has not reached a much larger group of hobbyists who have not seen the warnings, or don't care about the boards...whatever color.
Happy hunting,
Merlot
Alyssa. Just asking where the "16h" number comes from? Is this just a guess or theory? I have heard of this kind of schedule several years ago, though not for so many hours. No doubt such situations still exist, but it seems very rare nowadays. In the last 6 years or so I've never heard of anyone doing this, and I haven't seen an agency schedule like this anywhere. What I get from agencies and see reported from clients are 6-9 hour availabilities and fewer days overall being very common.
I sympathize greatly with any lady who is in the position you describe, but even if that were the case why should clients pay more just to shorten her hours. That becomes little more than charity to shorten work load because it removes the basic earning standard of quality level. A lady working that much needs rescuing, but it can't justify raising rates.
It might be hard to believe some middle-aged hobbyist cares at a basic level about what is really happening to these ladies. I have felt this way about many I have met. But that has nothing to do with the basics that rates should be earned not created just to shorten the day. If the ladies who say they enjoy this industry want real business of respectability then value in price comes with the territory.
Could you point out the specific evidence of this. To start with I've been around a long time and I am not clear about who is who in most cases regarding nationality, including you, up until what seems obvious now. In my own case I have cut the number of encounters in half and been much more value conscious since 2006. Multiple polls have shown many others everywhere cutting back since 2008, including "outsiders" posting here.
In the case of some agencies, Americans seem to have trouble getting appointments with the popular ladies, the ones with the rates going up because of locals who have a large advantage with much easier access. Much easier and more frequent access by locals alone would make your assessment hard to support.
Good post. I think "Protag" went for the excuse answer. Looking at how multiple boards have fought rising rates, and the low relative effectiveness of that, it makes sense that two of the bigger elements of a great body of ill-informed clients and economic conditions have had greater impact. One indicator would be the survival of bait and switch agencies who go on despite exposure that alerts the knowledgeable board hobbyist. I have been amazed to see the advertisements indicating open business of some B&S agencies. Either the exposure was inaccurate or it has not reached a much larger group of hobbyists who have not seen the warnings, or don't care about the boards...whatever color.
Happy hunting,
Merlot
Now for something realy refreshing.
When I saw Bianka of Delight, I complimented her on her looks and sweet personality, and told her that she is prettier than most VIP girls.
She told me that she was offered 200 but turned it down and that she prefers staying at 180.
Say what ?
When I saw Bianka of Delight, I complimented her on her looks and sweet personality, and told her that she is prettier than most VIP girls.
She told me that she was offered 200 but turned it down and that she prefers staying at 180.
Say what ?
Wow, maybe she is smarter business wise than us all. She figures $180 means more clients and more earnings in the long run. Bianka is the best looking girl around right now IMO. Thanks for reminding me about her. It's been 2 weeks since our last meeting. Way too long!
K
Kansas Frank
Based on the Ad's on MERB, it seems the invinsible hand of the market through supply and demand (plus this thread) has kept (summer) prices at between $160/HR and $180/HR for outcalls. :thumb:
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