Indie SP visited by LE

[Dreamer69]

One of my ATF got a visit by an investigator of the morality squad of SPVM, he rang her bell she didn't answer so he left his card

Is this the first victim of Bill C 36 or just a complaint? There is no drugs or underage girls there.

Anyone else got a visit recently ?

 

[panthere]

Unbelivable does LE....she should give them the Number of a Tim Hortons :lol:...Really sorry for her !!!
Just to tell her to be veryyyy careful if it is real or fake!!!

 

[blkone]

Who cares. If she's not underage, doing/selling drugs or the victim of a John the state should butt out.

 

[shivasirons]

What does she have to worry about? My understanding of the new law is that the advertising and selling of services as an indie is perfectly legal. Am I wrong?

 

[Dreamer69]

Selling her services is not legal, only selling her time is legal. This is real, she is going to contact them Monday morning, she called Friday eve. but no answer.

 

[AmberRose]

As johnhenry mentioned, selling sex is legal(though it's illegal in certain areas, and advertising is as well), but buying is illegal. I've heard of LE calling ladies or fake booking with them to come by, but only just to talk with them and make sure everything's okay, not to charge them in any way. Especially if he left his card, he was probably just passing along his info so she knows that if anything ever happens, she has the information of someone she can contact.

 

[Doc Holliday]

When the crappy law came into place, many sps & groups claimed that it would lead many of them to go underground & that the crappy law would actually make their working conditions more dangerous. I've yet to meet a cop who either gives a shit or supports that new 'law'. All it does if required to enforce it is to give them more work & that's the last thing they want.

It's quite possible that this particular cop's intentions are good & he's simply looking out for the sp's well-being and to make sure everything is safe & he also may have left his number in case she'd ever require advice or assistance.

 

[daydreamer41]

I know none of us should jump to conclusions, but I have a theory on this incident.

Does she do incall at her residence?

If she does, one of her neighbors may have called LE and complained that they saw many men go to her address and that they suspect that there is prostitution going on at her address.

Because the change in the law, even though she would be immune under C-36, her clients would not be. And if neighbors start to complain that they see a lot of "male" traffic going to a particular residence, LE may feel that they need to respond to the complaint.

I think you may see complaints and this type of response in the future. FYI, many prostitution arrests in the US are response to complaints by various constituents or customers at hotels. And many is because LE just want to increase their arrest records also.

But I bet neighbors may have complained. It will be interesting what they say to her when she does call.

 

[Dreamer69]

Doc I don't think it was a social call, they were 2 men in suits, she has cameras that record.

Daydreamer probably nailed it, probably a complaint by a neighbour, I will probably stay away for awhile.

 

[BookerL]

Hello all

Doc I don't think it was a social call, they were 2 men in suits, she has cameras that record.

Two men in suits a the stage of the complaint ?
Normally a complaint brings in traffic constables

Daydreamer probably nailed it, probably a complaint by a neighbour, I will probably stay away for awhile.

If she changes incall place its unlikely that she is being tailed ,
Every situation is different,but when I was operating incalls and changed places the police did not bother even if they had complaints at the old venue


Good Luck




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Booker

 

[2by4]

She may be contravening the law not by selling sex, but by doing it close to a school, church or kindergarten. It could be that there was a complaint by a neighbor.

 

[Dreamer69]

I called her to find out, seems like there is an investigation with the next door neighbour,

and they wanted to know if she saw or heard anything. This means I can go see her again.

 

[Siocnarf]

So this was just a false alarm? But like AmberRose said, sometimes they do ''courtesy calls''. Not sure if that's something they actually do in Montreal, but I've heard a lot about it in other cities (especially where escorts are licensed). I would not be worried if it happened. Police know full well what escorts do and they don't care. It is not an enforcement priority here. If an SP was bothering neighbors I would bet they would try to solve this without the hassle of cracking down on her business.

 

[gugu]

Police know full well what escorts do and they don't care. It is not an enforcement priority here.

It is neither a priority nowhere in the world, whatever the legislation. The real laws they are enforcing in Europe are about immigration. Prostitution laws are enforced very discontinuously everywhere. The outbursts of repression happen when there are big political or social pressures exercised on police forces. They never last. They did not last in Sweden and Norway. They don't last either in faith based societies or under ideological regimes.

It's certainly not an enforcement priority for the prosecutors: increased net costs and tribunal and prison cluttering for a crime with no victim and no significant externalities. It's not a sane way to spend public funds, to manage the budget allotted to the justice system.

If an SP was bothering neighbors I would bet they would try to solve this without the hassle of cracking down on her business.

I've had many different accounts of the relations between the operators and LE. Some will tell you they talk to officers a few times every year. Some will tell you they never heard of them. Some others are antagonistic. Neighbor complaints, I'm quite sure, are dealt with just like any other neighbor complaints: arbitrarily. Most officers will get in touch with those causing the troubles and ask them to deal with those problems. A few zealots will try to make a case right away.

My general impression is that the best thing that could happen to this industry is an improvement of the relations between them. Courtesy visits are welcome generally when done properly with clearly stated purpose. It happens sometimes in the massage parlors but it's not done systematically. It depends on the directives at the "postes de quartier" and some individual initiatives.

I was quite certain the original story would end that way. LE may try to establish contact with MP operators. But I doubt it would ever be possible neither appropriate to do so with individuals.

AmberRose: are you talking about Montreal? I have never heard of the SPVM doing fake bookings in order to get in touch with a SP unless they have a clear criminal case. Is what you're talking about taking place specifically after december 2014?

 

[Siocnarf]

In Canada, I think they do that in cities where escorts need a license. If they are travelling escorts without a license, they get a warning. In Montreal they don't have a reason to check on indies, so I'd be surprised if they did these kind of visits.

 

[BookerL]

Police know full well what escorts do and they don't care. .

Well knowing and proving are two different things !

Is it because they don't care or the population in general doesn't care and their is no advancement for them in their policing career ?

Hello all


Two men in suits a the stage of the complaint ?
Normally a complaint brings in traffic constables

Booker

I called her to find out, seems like there is an investigation with the next door neighbour,

and they wanted to know if she saw or heard anything. This means I can go see her again.

So it seems that the men in suits are investigating much more the neighbor complaint about escorting


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[Ernst Stavro Blofeld]

I have to stop swiping the flowers out of the flower box when I go see her. I might get in trouble.

 

[Siocnarf]

Is it because they don't care or the population in general doesn't care and their is no advancement for them in their policing career ?

I would say all of the above. Most people here see it as a private matter, so police cannot score points by making a show against prostitution. They also understand that if they want to rescue real victims and protect people they have to have the trust of the workers. And since it's not taxed they don't have to worry about the black market.

 

[BookerL]

so police cannot score points by making a show against prostitution. .

Great analogy , no show time for cops !:thumb:



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[Ernst Stavro Blofeld]

Years ago the cops that took care of sex related activities were on the geezer squad. This was a reward for old cops to sit for 45-60 days before they went on street sweeps. The patrol cops were not allowed to hassle the girls on the street. That is the territory pf the geezer cop. that was close to his 30 year retirement. Back 30 years ago the arrest stats were almost identical from year to year. If they did more this year they might be expected to do the same next year.