Is LFK or DFK are that importants?!?

[z/m(Ret)]

I don't recall which girl, not satisfied with Eleganza's policies, went to work for Asservissante because it fit more her work parameters. She respected everybody, the customers and herself ...

Believe you are talking about ex Jacynthe now Channel, a.k.a. l'étoile (as in "faire l'étoile et je m'en vante" ) of Asservissante.

 

[Doc Holliday]

I once saw an SP that told me ``no kissing on the lips, that`s reserved for my boyfriend``. When I went to DATY, she said ``sorry but what did I tell you before? that`s reserved for my boyfriend also``. Basically the encounter went downhill from there.

The last time i heard this line from an sp, i replied to her: ``Does your so-called boyfriend deserve all this special treatment & affection from you? Does he really? Think it over for a second.....if he`d really love you & care for you like most boyfriends are supposed to, do you honestly think he`d let you do this type of work?`` The girl didn`t say much after that, but later, out of nowhere, she suddenly began to do dfk & did & said she wanted daty. ``Why the sudden change of heart?``, i asked her. Her reply was ``I thought about what you said & you`re totally correct. My boyfriend is a fucking scumbag & i don`t think he`ll be my boyfriend for very long. Now stop talking & let`s have some fun!`` And the encounter went uphill from there.

 

[Doc Holliday]

On the other hand can we say that instead of providing "Girl Friend Experience" she provides "Bored Wife Experience".

Or "Cold Girlfriend Experience" (CGE).

Met her once & i tend to agree with the statement above. Repeat? Are you kidding me? I'd rather have to deal with a kidney stone than repeat that experience.

 

[z/m(Ret)]

The last time i heard this line from an sp, i replied to her: ``Does your so-called boyfriend deserve all this special treatment & affection from you? Does he really? Think it over for a second.....if he`d really love you & care for you like most boyfriends are supposed to, do you honestly think he`d let you do this type of work?`` The girl didn`t say much after that, but later, out of nowhere, she suddenly began to do dfk & did & said she wanted daty. ``Why the sudden change of heart?``, i asked her. Her reply was ``I thought about what you said & you`re totally correct. My boyfriend is a fucking scumbag & i don`t think he`ll be my boyfriend for very long. Now stop talking & let`s have some fun!`` And the encounter went uphill from there.

How many drinks did she have between the two episodes?

 

[Regular Guy]

Please be honest!

BUT, if the escort feels comfortable, if there's an easy connection, she'll kiss you. Don't jump on her to kiss or to hug her, or insist when she doesn't seems to like it, she'll just be cold with you and her service will drop to the minimum.
And even if we're nice with you and give an awsome service, don't forget that we do that for $money$, not just because we love being here.

Well E Babe I don't see how you can give an "awesome service" if you don't "seem to like it" but what do I know?

Since you don't seem to want to answer some of the many comments from the guys here and the other girls don't seem to want to add to this thread I have only one thing to ask:
Should you ever come to my door and I ask you if you are "okay with me" (which means you can see that it would be okay kissing me) please be honest. If you feel about me as you describe above, I don't want you there. I will send you home. Why waste both my time and yours. I am sure I can find a lady who will enjoy my company. At least I am going to do my best. You say that

we do that for $money$ not just because we love being here.

Well we say, "we do that for $money$ because we do love being here." And we like girls who think the way we do. If it ever gets to the point where I have to settle for the crumbs you offer I think I'll go out and buy a rubber vagina. A lot cheaper!

By the way if sex doesn't involve the five senses to the max I don't know what does. Sexual does mean sensual!

 

[korbel]

Perplexing.

As an escort, I say no...even if some are called GFE girls.
What you're about to read, you arleady know it. But I would like to do it for all the escorts that feel forced and obliged by YOUR pressure.
You can't find a girlfriend in an escort, keep that in mind. Plus, half of you are a way older than the girls you call (and/or married), so not really attractive for a lot of us. How can you kiss someone that doesn't attract you?!? Ask it to yourself, change roles and imagine you HAVE TO kiss someone that you find ugly or I don't know what. I'm not sure you'll be comfortable with that. But, strangely, fucking that person (NOT MAKING LOVE) is not a problem. Why?!? Because for a lot, kissing and hugging means affection and affection goes with LOVE.
When you ask for an escort service, you're looking for sex or company, not for affection or lovely and sweet moments. In this case, well, don't call...meet people. This, only a person who really LOVES you can give it to you fully; you shouldn't ask for that.
A lot of escorts do give that kind of stuff (kissing, hugging, full eye contact....)in their regular services, but I can tell you that most of them are uncomfortable with it and do it because they have the "GFE" pressure or because they're scared or not enough confident to say :" I'm sorry, but I don't feel for it, it's too...personal or intime, I'm not comfortable with that.", as some already did and were reproached quickly... BUT, if the escort feels comfortable, if there's an easy connection, she'll kiss you. Don't jump on her to kiss or to hug her, or insist when she doesn't seems to like it, she'll just be cold with you and her service will drop to the minimum.
And even if we're nice with you and give an awsome service, don't forget that we do that for $money$, not just because we love being here.
But I would like to have the general opinion of ya'll please.
You might ask to yourself :" But who the fu** is that girl???". Well, I'm an escort, I'm a woman, I'm human....I'm me.

Hello Eleganza Babe,

I am going to drop the veneer of gentility in this post so that we can all realize what we are talking about just for what it is to make my point clearer. I will be very blunt for a change. Please forgive me, but I find this necessary for effect.

First, let me say that I have never insisted any escort do anything. I have asked, and when the answer was no, I took it for NO...end of story. Though disappointing , I have also never sent anyone away because of this. In fact I have only sent two ladies away in nearly 100 meetings since 2001. One was sent away simply because I hadn't realized when I called that I could not cover the donation. The other was simply a matter of a mismatch. We never spoke of what she offered, and she is well known to offer everything including greek. But I just wasn't attracted to her type.

It has always been perplexing to me that a kiss is such a difficult thing to provide. Yes, it is very intimate, close, and personal. You have that point. But it is a safe and relatively unintrusive act. I have sometimes even considered a session with only kissing and caressing. Imagine getting your donation of 160 and up just for doing such minimal intimate activity with the chance to avoid all the other risk possibilities that everything else entails. Wouldn't that be easy. Unfortunately, I have never been able to stop there. I admit that. But wouldn't it be so simple and safe if that was all SPs had to do. So what is the problem.

Now, straight to the gut. But kissing seems to be hard to receive sometimes, for whatever reason. What is easier for an SP to provide. Let's see....hmmmmmmmmmmmm...what do SPs prefer that isn't so intimate and unattractive as kissing? What avoids that ugly problem of implied "LOVE" you are so afraid of. OH...here we go. Spread you legs and let this slob "that doesn't attract you" lick and suck your pussy, plunge his fingers in there, maybe stick his thumb up your ass with one hand while grabbing and pinching your tits with the other. Next either covered or uncovered he shoves his cock into your face while you gag and spit all over it, then after he has vigorously pumped that rod into you mouth you either swallow his load or he sprays all over you face, hair, or in your eyes like a lion pissing on a tree to mark his territory. If he doesn't finish while you suck his cock, you may now bend over, lay on you back, or mount him in various ways and let him slam into your pussy or maybe your ass until he decides he wants to spray on various part of you body like an animal in heat. There now, oh baby...oh baby...don't you feel better??? OH, so you offer MSOG...well...one more time with feeling for the money. But, if he is the gentle type he may perform all of the above with sweet loving care. Ooops, no that is too romantic and dangerously intimate. Better that he just fuck the lving shit out of you like a rutting stag, get it over with and pay. There...that's emotionally safe. To hell with every risk you just took...risks that are far, far less with kissing.

Really, with everything that many SPs do allow, that poses so many possible hazards, I cannot understand why kissing is such a problem. I understand you may not find the client appealing enough to kiss. No problem. But with all these other things, many of which are totally standard fare when meeting with an SP, the comparitive risks and invasiveness seems to me to make kissing a much more attractive option. Is it better that some guys treat you like their biyatch for money rather than allowing some kisses? But if so many SPs out there would rather swallow, wear cum, or take it up the ass for money who am I to say kissing should be the preferable option. Hey, your choice. Just shower well...s'il vous plait. Merci beaucoup!

And if the pressure to kiss truly bothers you, than why don't you just walk out? Money huh???

Happy cum stains,

Korbel

PS

The above has nothing to do with what I prefer.

 

[korbel]

My dear, methinks you're in the wrong business. If all I wanted was a warm, soft place to stick it, I'd get me a plastic bag and some raw, warm calve's liver.

When I call an escort, I'm looking exactly for affection and lovely and sweet moments. I expect GFE and all that means, and I also give BFE in return, am kind, courteous and do my very best to make the experience as pleasurable as possible for the person I am with, regardless of the fact that she is being paid to be with me.

And I might add that despite the fact that I'm more than twice the age of any of the young women I meet and often don't speak the same language, I rarely find that with a bit of kindness, courtesy, respect, affection and charm, that I'm not able find my desires met.

Hello Rumples,

Bwahahahahaha. Since it is the last day of 2007, to say this is the line of the year would be accounting for a lot. Maybe it is.

Chuckles,

Korbel

 

[montreal_monk01]

But I would like to do it for all the escorts that feel forced and obliged by YOUR pressure.

There's no need to get mad here. No one will put pressure on you for not doing dfk.
The pressure comes from the nature of things ->
wear our shoes for 2 secs: if you had to invest your hard earned money in an escort, you surely would
invest it in the escort providing the most to you.

You can't find a girlfriend in an escort

Oh definitely...hopefully most Gents understand that this is just a hobby and not a dating service.
With that said, there are top-of-the-notch escorts who are not finding excuses and are offering
stellar services.

 

[anon_vlad]

Another SP once told me that she did her best to prolong the kissing and talking because she couldn't take MSOG from 5 clients a night.

Look at the bright side Eleganza babe: Much of the time you are kissing an old guy, his wrinkled fat stomach and legs are not rubbing against yours.

 

[korbel]

Choices.

A lot of escorts do give that kind of stuff (kissing, hugging, full eye contact....)in their regular services, but I can tell you that most of them are uncomfortable with it and do it because they have the "GFE" pressure or because they're scared or not enough confident to say :" I'm sorry, but I don't feel for it, it's too...personal or intime, I'm not comfortable with that.", as some already did and were reproached quickly... BUT, if the escort feels comfortable, if there's an easy connection, she'll kiss you. Don't jump on her to kiss or to hug her, or insist when she doesn't seems to like it, she'll just be cold with you and her service will drop to the minimum.
And even if we're nice with you and give an awsome service, don't forget that we do that for $money$, not just because we love being here.
But I would like to have the general opinion of ya'll please.
You might ask to yourself :" But who the fu** is that girl???". Well, I'm an escort, I'm a woman, I'm human....I'm me.

Hello Eleganza Babe,

I don't think anyone wants to interfere with you being who you want to be. The real problem here is "choices". You agency chooses to insist that it's ladies offer GFE service and in the view of many clients that includes kissing. It's not a situation that I like. This year I saw a lady who I was crazy about because of her personality, beauty and services. She was very different the second time and I was not enjoyable because her personality and services had changed. I called the same agency the next night for some one else and they said the same lady I saw the night before was available. I told them...geeeez I had been crazy about her the year before but she was too different now. They said they would tell her to provide all the services, including deep kissing. I refused because I knew she was not willing. But this is how the agency functioned. It was their choice to offer this service. I chose not to have anyone forced into something they did not want.

Then there is you the SP. You like your agency for various reasons, but it requires you to offer something you don't want to provide. So you need to choose. Do you stay and provide the service or leave for another agency that suits your prefered services better? You are the one who has to make the decision, not the clients who call looking for their preferences. It's your problem not the clients. You create the pressure by staying somewhere that interferes with your preferences. If you go on a call knowing you may be asked to provide something the agency offers it's you who has not acted honestly. If you don't want to be forced into something you do not want then don't put yourself in a position where this is likely to happen. Be honest with the agency, the client, and yourself.

Your choice,

Korbel

 

[z/m(Ret)]

I once knew another "justagirl" (spelled juzt_a_girl) who would use the words "scrutinized" and "objectified" in the same sentence or am I just dreaming?

Should we call you JAG from now on and would your evocation of your agency days result from a psilocybin comeback?

 

[korbel]

And about the dfk/lfk issue; if you know the woman is not enjoying something why would you want to do it? I have had the experience many, many times where a client i have not met before 'jumps' me as soon as i enter the room and shoves his tongue down my throat and does not remove it until the end of the hour. That's unpleasant to say the least. Often i turn my head when i need a bit of a break, you know to breath or something else many of yous seem to deem selfish considering i'm being paid. Usually this results in the man turning my head back and attempting to resume the tongue probing. I can tell you that will guarantee that you never feel the inside of my mouth again. Yes, we are being paid, and we are all very aware of what our job is. But we are people and deserve a minimum level of respect and should be given a little 'breathing' room when we desire it.

Hello JAG,

The episode you describe here is the odious actions of a real slob. No lady should be treated like that under any circumstances. But that is not the issue here. True, as I have said, it is also unenjoyable for the client ( me ) to do something the lady does not also enjoy. No client should be able to force anything on an SP she does not want to do. However, if she is refusing a service she knows her agency promises it's clients then the dishonor is hers. If she is taking clients knowing her preferences conflict with the agencies offerings then she is responsible for being in a position she doesn't like. If the client is asking for something she knows the agency offers then she should either be willing to provide it or leave the agency. Free choice yes, but responsible choices too.

Choose honestly in all choices,

Korbel

 

[korbel]

Mixed messages.

Hello Justagirl,

Some agencies cultivate clients by promising them just about everything. High end agencies like Frenchkiss make their name by promising the most intimate fantasies, then other agencies like Eleganza and Devilish make their name by offering either rarer sexual acts or promising a total GFE meeting. With most clients wanting all the can get for the money, and many agencies offering it, how is the client to differentiate what should be expected when he meets the lady of his choice. Given that the individual lady has the right to offer what she wants, if it is in keeping with what the agency advertises, it must get mighty tough for the client to acquiescewhen there are restrictions that go against what so many agencies seem to offer. Advertising to get clients has generated the expectations. Yes, the client should deal with the individual lady and her wishes. But when this goes against some many advertising promises it isn't entirely the clients fault if he tries to persist with his requests based on all we hobbyists are made to expect. Again, the best thing is for the lady to find an agency that fits her preferences rather than to make money her priority.

It still starts with her choice,

Korbel

PS

Whatever the definiton of GFE is...I LIKE KISSING. Definition or no definition.

 

[hormone]

GFE needs BFE

Agree 100%. If we want GFE then we must be respectful and provide BFE too. Moreover, I am sure that some nights you just can't do what you can
other nights and that there are some clients that, for whatever reason, an SP can't feel comfortable with. I think that everyone has to try and be fair and respectful. And as you say Korbel, the question though is whether DFK is important and to me, it is. Don't think I would see escorts if this wasn't ever on the menu...it would feel too mecanical and inhuman.

I could not agree more with most of Korbel SCR's comments. Yes I am paying, but I think GFE is something you earn by being at least somewhat BFE.

A few more comments though: I have 2 kinds of encounters:
- the ones which are B-GFE, where there is DFK-LFK, caressing, cuddling. Usually the sex is also pretty passionate, slower, etc. This is very satisfying. BUt probably less frequent.
- Then there is the "pure sex" type of encouter, where there may not be much DFK or if there is, ot comes out of the frenzy, in the heat of the action... This can be veryy satisfying too!

In any case, I would repeat with either one, as long as there is a sexual connection. And yes, you can have a sexual connection, like a great one night stand, and yet not want to go out with the girl after (nor DFK her...).

 

[z/m(Ret)]

justagirl,

What keeps you from somehow letting your clients know that having your tonsils explored for three hours straight is not exactly your cup of tea? Are you shy or submissive by nature? Or perhaps were you instructed by someone to always comply to your clients' wishes? Some other reason?

Respectfully submitted.

Marcel

 

[hormone]

With all the respect that you deserve from me for contributing here and putting yourself out there,

You do not want to kiss the hobbist, fine do not do so, yet please do me the favor of making it clear to all (including your boss) from the start so that you are not promoted wrongly and the poor ugly schmuck paying on the other side of the transaction is not disapointed.

Be proud of your convictions and respect yourself. That way those of us who want to get one type of service or the other will know where you stand and will be able to make a choice based on the complete and full info.

CJ

Hey Eleganza Babe! First, I agree, bravo for putting yourself out there. Even though I think a lot of it may come from some job frustrations, I don't think we should be psycho-analyzing you or saying you are totally in the wrong agency/field.

I also agree you should make it clear to your boss. If you are already very popular (and which Eleganza babe is not?), I would hope it would not change your employment status. And it would help your confort status. Why? Well, from what you say in your original post, it sounds like you ARE already YYMV, since there are guys you try to avoid kissing, if they press it on you. If you were up front with it, then I guess it would be easier, clearer. "No greek and no french kissing, but I'm ready to show you a great time nonetheless!"... So what if you lose a few clients, you may win some others who will accept your restrictions if the rest is good!

 

[korbel]

"Our experiences aren't intended to be carbon copies every single time out, are they?"

Thank you for summarizing my point so well. I think that if you don't have a checklist of mandatory services and just let the evening unfold, enjoying the woman for her individual strengths and preferences you might find you enjoy the hobby so much more. Placing such a high degree of importance on the list of acronyms is sort of missing the point in my opinion.

I think eleganzababes point was much the same. That it's more than possible to have a thuroughtly enjoyable time without kissing. If the clients weren't so concerned about gettinge the most letters for their money then they might actually find that time with her, without kissing, extremly satisfying and gratifying. Perhaps it is the obsession with the definition of GFE that ruins a lot of encounters.

Hello Justagirl,

Agreed. But what about my point in my first post? WHY...is kissing so difficult by comparison to often standard offerings that are so invasive, and inevitably only treat a lady like a soulless sex receptacle????? Especially when kissing is obviously much safer than many other acts such as creampies/swallowing?

Still perplexed,

Korbel

 

[z/m(Ret)]

Hormone,

If you would be an agency owner you might think differently. Promoting a YMMV is, most of the times, harder. SPs come and go, agencies try to last. Eleganza made its name offering GFE services and letting go girls not comfortable doing it.

The widest market segment is the GFE clientele and these are precisely the ones agencies like Eleganza are targeting.

With all due respect to justagirl, Eleganza Babe and the other members of the coalition for non-kissing sexworkers, non-GFE sp's would need to be very special in some kind of way for them to be competitive within the GFE marketplace.

Indies, on the other hand, might not be all that concerned by competitiveness; they have the privilege of picking their clients within a market segment they're comfortable with.

Not convinced though that agency girls enjoy that same privilege. My sense is the agency SP's who don't meet the standards are either "drilled" or removed.

 

[korbel]

Korbel,

I tried to explain why kissing is sometimes the last private thing SPs have. Believe me my explanation is based on a true story. I understand it is perplexing by the way. I had to live it to understand it.

I think we shouldn't focus on the kissing issue. She has her reasons and that's it. It is her right to refuse kissing.

We should focus on why she is working somewhere where it is advertised. She works for the agency which almost invented GFE for pete's sake. There are many more agencies and if she is cute she'll find work in minutes. Then why? And why posting this question? Is it a futile attempt at convincing some to stop asking GFE services? Trying to generalize behavior exhibited by some bad customers and have all customers feel bad?

When we will have answers to these questions we'll know the motives

Hello LeGuy,

Yes, I understood the very, very intimate qualities of kissing long before this thread. Given that kissing may be the most intimate act in the evolution of human sexuality I still don't see why such invasive acts that risk serious and even deadly disease are so standard and why kissing is so difficult by comparison. Let's see...extremely intimate kissing versus being used like a receptacle and/or the risk of dangerous disease. Are we saying the better choice is the riskier/more dangerous behavior rather than intimacy???

Intimacy...oooooooh YUK!

korbel

 

[hormone]

and also...

As an escort, I say no...even if some are called GFE girls.

You can't find a girlfriend in an escort, keep that in mind. Plus, half of you are a way older than the girls you call (and/or married), so not really attractive for a lot of us. How can you kiss someone that doesn't attract you?!? ... But, strangely, fucking that person (NOT MAKING LOVE) is not a problem. Why?!? Because for a lot, kissing and hugging means affection and affection goes with LOVE.

A lot of escorts do give that kind of stuff (kissing, hugging, full eye contact....)in their regular services, but I can tell you that most of them are uncomfortable with it and do it because they have the "GFE" pressure or because they're scared or not enough confident to say :" I'm sorry, but I don't feel for it, it's too...personal or intime, I'm not comfortable with that.",

( BUT, if the escort feels comfortable, if there's an easy connection, she'll kiss you. Don't jump on her to kiss or to hug her, or insist when she doesn't seems to like it,

And even if we're nice with you and give an awsome service, don't forget that we do that for $money$, not just because we love being here. :

I am not married, no GF, and have been hobbying since a prolonged celibacy stint. I don't look 21, but am very far from being your dad's age either... My busy job prevents me from meeting a lot of people out of work, as I decided not to date people from work. When I call an escort, I am in the mood for sex, not a GF. When you go to work, maybe you are maybe you're not as much in the mood for sex... Normal. But it does not mean one client cannot hope for DFK-LFK... I would respect being told that I am not your dream boy, but I'm OK nontheless, so I won't be getting deep kisses.
I would like for more honesty on the part of the SP. I agree that if she kisses me deply, it may mean she would sleep with me off the job. But if she thinks I smell of too much coffee, forgot to brush my teeth (which I always do), why not ask me nicely to "feshen up"? If it makes it more enjoyable for her, why not?
I am sure lots of clients would not react the same, though. Well, too bad for them.

But a few questions for you:
- do you feel the same about greek (I don't want to know if you speak it, just how you feel about the "intimacy" of it) ?
- how do you feel about CIM, about CIMWS then? A lot of girls provide it, is it also pressure? Or is this distinct from affection? Is it part of "normal" sex?

This said, I hope you continue contributing to the board, as you have clearly stuff to say and most of us would probably be interested in reading you more!
Happy New Year!