Israel and the United States attack Iran

[Cap'tain Fantastic]

So you believe we should just let Iran, a country which funds numerous terrorist proxies ((Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis, etc.) just enrich uranium in unfettered fashion, and in huge stockpiles not necessary for any legitimate non-weaponizing purpose, while publicly stating that "Death" must come to the USA and Israel (as does their proxies)? What part of that belief is even remotely rational?

You obviously are a MAGA trumpetist, rational is beyond your understanding.

It has been demonstrated on several occasions since Trump broke the international agreement in 2018 that Iran was still respecting it until they realize that no matter what, the USA wouldnt lift the blocking measures against them. Up to this day there is still no évidence of a military nuclear program going on in Iran.

Should I say it again? Your country keeps lying to the world’s face for whatever agenda they want to pursue. The USA is the most belligerant country in modern history. No wonder the international opinion about the USA is so negative.

 

[Halloween Mike]

Ah yes, if only Iran could be more like the United States and just live in their country and not bother anyone else....

Do you even hear yourself?

The USA are not the dictatorship regime tough (even tough i know some want to call Trump that, and yes im not a Trump fan, he used to make me laugh but not since this re-election). I think if middle-east countries were no threat to the USA or its allies, they would be let alone. Saudi Arabia as an exemple. The problem, and yes i will say it, is a lot of countries can't even get their act together. If they don't fight other countries, they fight among themselves...

When it comes to ISIS, the world had no option but intervene. This group was extremely dangerous and was spreading like cancer in several countries.

 

[EagerBeaver]

You obviously are a MAGA trumpetist, rational is beyond your understanding.

It has been demonstrated on several occasions since Trump broke the international agreement in 2018 that Iran was still respecting it until they realize that no matter what, the USA wouldnt lift the blocking measures against them. Up to this day there is still no évidence of a military nuclear program going on in Iran.

Should I say it again? Your country keeps lying to the world’s face for whatever agenda they want to pursue. The USA is the most belligerant country in modern history. No wonder the international opinion about the USA is so negative.

I did not vote for Trump, and I believe your post is amazingly naive. There is evidence-,plenty of evidence, of a military nuclear program going on in Iran and that the inspectors are only being shown what the Iranians want them to see. The stuff they do not want them to see is being hidden. How is it that your intelligence is superior and that you are able to say otherwise? The exact same opinions were held by Europe in the 1930s about Germany up until the day they attacked Poland. The USA stayed on the sidelines on that war until being attacked itself, and ultimately came to the rescue of all of the naive Europeans who believed the German diplomats. Some lessons were learned.

There is in your and some other posts this ongoing false equivalence theory about intelligence "being wrong in Iraq and elsewhere, and therefore, it must be wrong now". I can bring up equal examples of when the intelligence was right and was not acted upon, to the detriment of the world. Pre WWII being just one example. However there is a recent past history with Iran, unlike Iraq, of funding terrorist proxies throughout the Middle East who are causing conflicts that are destabilizing the region. So Iran is reaping what it has been sowing.

What actually happened was 3 precision strikes on nuclear facilities in which nobody got killed according to the Iranians themselves, because the sites were abandoned long beforehand because the Iranians knew they would be attacked. The world is now a safer place because of it, although it is quite likely that materials were moved and hidden before the attack.

 

[Smokemeal2]

The USA are not the dictatorship regime tough (even tough i know some want to call Trump that, and yes im not a Trump fan, he used to make me laugh but not since this re-election). I think if middle-east countries were no threat to the USA or its allies, they would be let alone. Saudi Arabia as an exemple. The problem, and yes i will say it, is a lot of countries can't even get their act together. If they don't fight other countries, they fight among themselves...

When it comes to ISIS, the world had no option but intervene. This group was extremely dangerous and was spreading like cancer in several countries.

The gop regime, with its Project 2025, really aims to move towards authoritarianism. It's fucking scary. If you see the actions of red states, it's even more terrifying. I will say it. If they get their way, the US will eventually be in a much worse state than Iran's population right now. And Iran will ultimately get rid of their piece of shit yalatola...

To America, the war is within the US. Iran is just a distraction they are trying to put on us.

 

[Womaniser]

The gop regime, with its Project 2025, really aims to move towards authoritarianism. It's fucking scary. If you see the actions of red states, it's even more terrifying. I will say it. If they get their way, the US will eventually be in a much worse state than Iran's population right now. And Iran will ultimately get rid of their piece of shit yalatola...

To America, the war is within the US. Iran is just a distraction they are trying to put on us.

A good example is Trump insisting on Canada becoming USA 51th State.
No president as far as I know spoke like that.

 

[Cap'tain Fantastic]

The world is now a safer place because of it, although it is quite likely that materials were moved and hidden before the attack.

Imho, due to Trump ‘s decision, the possibility of a major resurgence in terrorist attacks, anywhere around the world, is much higher today than in the last 20 years. Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, despite being USA allies, have both strongly condemn the bombing of Iran’s facilities.

Knowing their historical allegiances to some very important terrorist groups I.e. financing and allowing training camp for such extremist movement, there is probabilities that they go back to their old habits. They certainly have the financial capacity to do so outside their frontiers without bringing attention.

Now, is the world a safer place today? I wouldnt bet on this.

 

[Cap'tain Fantastic]

I can't say for sure the outcome, but i wish Iran could go back to what it once was.

You mean like a puppet state for the British and Americans when the Shah was willingly giving his country’s ressources and robbing its population?

 

[Smokemeal2]

You mean like a puppet state for the British and Americans when the Shah was willingly giving his country’s ressources and robbing its population?

Well, that`s what they are doing in the US anyway. At least if Trump continues to win...

At least robbing is better then executing I guess.

 

[Jazzman1218]

None of this would have been necessary if trump had not withdrawn the U.S. from the JCPOA in 2018. He's not a fireman - he's an arsonist with a water hose.

 

[Smokemeal2]

None of this would have been necessary if trump had not withdrawn the U.S. from the JCPOA in 2018. He's not a fireman - he's an arsonist with a water hose.

Trump will always rebound.

He was humiliated by Taco`s reference. By the complete disastrous fiasco of his parade. A nonsensical rambling speech about 2 poles being planted at the WH was not enough to rebuild his esteem. Oups of course not as we again all saw he is a nutcase.

He needed a big action. Whatever the consequences because he does not give a shit and way too dumb to be able to process the consequence of these actions. Just like his MAGA cult.

 

[minutemenX]

None of this would have been necessary if trump had not withdrawn the U.S. from the JCPOA in 2018. He's not a fireman - he's an arsonist with a water hose.

Don’t convert this thread to another Trump bashing site. The decisive US action was unavoidable notwithstanding who is the president. Iran was dodging decisive US action under multiple presidents never loosing its aim at obtaining status of a nuclear armed country. The US military action had to be expected considering Iran’s closeness to the goal and the messianic character of the religious governing body.

 

[FunLuver]

The rumor is that Trump will be ordering American B2 bombers to strike on Iran tonight or early tomorrow!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1934755683817164819

You called it a week in advance, before Fox news, CNN BBC etc

Do you perhaps know of any major sports future Champs? (To build a bankroll to finance this hobby hehe)

 

[EagerBeaver]

Imho, due to Trump ‘s decision, the possibility of a major resurgence in terrorist attacks, anywhere around the world, is much higher today than in the last 20 years.

So nobody should ever take any actions against Iran, no matter what they do, because their terrorist proxies must be feared and respected? I don't follow this logic. To me it's a cowardly logic. We don't let terrorists dictate foreign policy. The first step down that road is the first step towards chaos and anarchy.

You know hockey. You don't change your strategy in hockey because the other team might send its goons out on the ice and thug your best players. No NHL coach thinks that way. Instead, you send out your goons and smack the other team's goons down. Otherwise you empower the other team and allow them to intimidate you.

Iran has suffered a smackdown and we will see how they respond long term. Hopefully with better behavior and less goonery.

 

[Jazzman1218]

Don’t convert this thread to another Trump bashing site. The decisive US action was unavoidable notwithstanding who is the president. Iran was dodging decisive US action under multiple presidents never loosing its aim at obtaining status of a nuclear armed country. The US military action had to be expected considering Iran’s closeness to the goal and the messianic character of the religious governing body.

Perhaps in your obsequiousness to trump you missed the point of my post.

 

[Skym]

I think this thread needs a poll.

for "If you support the US attack on Iran or not?"

I wonder what the majority of ppl here think.

 

[minutemenX]

Perhaps in your obsequiousness to trump you missed the point of my post.

I did not vote for Trump and don't like him, but the logic of the US presidency often force him to do the right things. Action against Iran is an example.

 

[HarvestLord]

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Agent Orange making a clown of himself again. What a disgrace! You have no control over Iranian skies, dirt bag. In the meantime, Iran is pounding the Zio- Nazis into dust. Certain parts of Tel Aviv and Haifa are starting to look like Gaza. Looking forward to the end of the Zionist Entity.

 

[Cap'tain Fantastic]

We don't let terrorists dictate foreign policy

But you elected a financial terrorist! Trump’s damage to every country dealing with the USA, has bring many questions about his goals. The hesitations of making new deals with the USA will stand long after he’s gone.

 

[EagerBeaver]

But you elected a financial terrorist!

At least one economic expert thinks Trump outsmarted everyone on tariffs, although I think it's also possible that a good strategy was lucked into:

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/top-economist-previously-sounded-alarm-170622258.html

Being lucky, as opposed to smart, with economic policy is extremely important politically.

 

[Jazzman1218]

I did not vote for Trump and don't like him, but the logic of the US presidency often force him to do the right things. Action against Iran is an example.

However he put himself in this position by withdrawing from the JCPOA in 2018.