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It's Official Canada has adopted Nordic Model Prostitution Law

EagerBeaver

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So if it has to be voted on, how is this law "official"?If a vote is needed it is "proposed", not official, and the thread title is misleading.

Also, sex workers are in a position to influence the vote. What are they doing about that?
 

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Allo toi <3

Merci pour ton petit mot, je ne suis pas sûre de bien comprendre, car on parle de criminalisation des messieurs et de la pub aussi qui deviendrait illégal... (???)
J'imagine que les annonces explicites seront portées à disparaitre. Cela prendra une structure comme ce qui se passe aux USA point de vue website aussi.

C'est sûr que ça ne fait pas plaisir à lire pour ceux qui sont consentants, majeurs et vaccinés... mais j'espère grandement!! que le but final est de vraiment attraper tous les bourreaux sexuels qui forcent violemment des gens à la prostitution, et non, de faire une prohibition aveugle en cernant et criminalisant les mauvaises personnes.
 
I've read most of the whole thing, but it is hard to interpret.


Hoping this can help a little: http://www.pivotlegal.org/the_new_se...tion_explained



On December 20, 2013 the Supreme Court of Canada ruled that the laws regulating prostitution were unconstitutional and gave the Federal Conservatives one year to consider whether to design new laws that comply with the Charter of Rights of Freedoms.

Today Justice Minister Peter MacKay tabled the Conservative Government's long anticipated new prostitution legislation. The Protection of Communities and Exploited Persons Act criminalizing the purchase of sex, communicating for the purpose of selling sex, living off the avails of prostitution, and the advertising sexual services.

This cynical, dystopic model does not resolve the problems found by the Court in Bedford to be unconstitutional, and adds new ones such as the prohibition on advertising. The Charter rights engaged by this draft law include life, liberty, security of the person, freedom of expression and equality. Arguably all are breached.

This is not the “Nordic” approach, nor is it a Canadian variation on the “Nordic” approach. It is an unconstitutional variation of our broken laws that impose more danger, more criminalization, and fewer safe options, contrary to the requirement of the Supreme Court of Canada to address these dangerous and ineffective laws.

This made in Canada model will lead to continued epidemic of violence against sex workers in Canada.

Here is a look at some of the specific provisions:

Provision 213: “Stopping or impeding traffic and Communicating to provide sexual services for consideration”
There is only one part of the Communicating provision that is different than the pre-Bedford regime. What was previously section 213(1)(c) of the Code now applies only to communicating to offer sexual services in a public place that is or is near somewhere where anyone under the age of 18 could reasonably be found. This Communicating provision is only marginally narrower than what the Court struck down in Bedford, as it captures a broad range of places where communication is prohibited.

All other aspects of section 213, including stopping or impeding traffic, remain criminalized and apply to everyone. These remain summary offences.

Constitutional Implications:
This amounts to a version of the Communicating law in Bedford that is only marginally narrower, and defies the spirit of the judgment, which was concerned with the displacement of sex workers and blocking their ability to screen clients for safety. All that will be required for police to surveil and target sex workers is the suggestion that a person under the age of 18 can reasonably be expected to be present. This law will function in a highly similar fashion to the Communicating provision that the Bedford court struck down for creating dangerous circumstances, and it will violate section 7 of the Charter.

Provision 286: Prohibition against the purchase of sexual services
“Commodification of Sexual Activity”
s. 286.1(1): Obtaining Sexual Services for Consideration
This single aspect of the law is similar to the Nordic model, in that it applies to purchasing or communicating in order to obtain sexual services.

This provision criminalizes everyone in any place who purchases or communicates in order to obtain sexual services. This provision adds mandatory fines to all violations. Sanctions include mandatory minimum fines ranging from $500 to $4,000, and can include up to five years in jail. These new mandatory fines are higher for repeat offenders and for anyone who purchases sex in a place where a person under 18 could reasonably be found.

The addition of tough punishments for clients will force sex workers to go to great lengths in order to help their clients avoid these sanctions. This will recreate the dangerous conditions that the court in Bedford said made the criminal laws unconstitutional.

Key Considerations: Prohibiting the purchase of sexual services creates extremely dangerous conditions for sex workers. In Sweden, Norway and in Canadian cities where law enforcement is directed at clients, sex workers are displaced to unsafe areas, they cannot screen their clients, they lack access to police protection and they are less able to operate in safer indoor venues. In Norway, violence against sex workers increased following the enactment of the law. Two recent reports on sex work in Vancouver found that street-based sex workers are facing very dangerous working conditions as a result of law enforcement targeting clients.

Constitutional Implications: While criminalizing the purchase of sexual services is said to be aimed at protecting sex workers, this prohibition will have the same harmful impact as the current adult prostitution laws that were struck down in Bedford. For this reason, the ban on purchasing sex or communicating for the purpose to obtain sexual services violates the security of the person rights of sex workers, which are protected by section 7 of the Charter.

Provision 286.2: “Material Benefit from Sexual Services”
The new provision continues to criminalize those who gain material benefits from sex work. This replaces the “living on the avails” provision that was struck down in Bedford.

This version of the law does not apply to those in “legitimate living arrangements” or with “legal or moral obligations” to sex workers. It does apply to exploitative and abusive relationships, and to those in which a person supplies drugs or alcohol.

Key Considerations:
Being able to work together or to employ safety services is a key component of a safer sex trade. This provision does not assist in making this more possible for most sex workers.

It will only apply to occasional ad hoc services for sex workers, and does not allow sex workers to establish regular secure conditions for themselves.

This definition of exploitation may be inconsistent with the experiences of sex workers and may capture relationships that actually enhance their safety. It is therefore likely that this provision will be found inconsistent with section 7 rights because of overbreadth.

Constitutional Implications:
This law still impairs the ability of sex workers to retain assistance in their work from employees or contractors. The provision applies to benefits received in the context of any commercial enterprise offering sexual services.

The bill also intrudes into personal relationships by exempting “legitimate living arrangements”.

This provision does not remedy the problem the SCC addressed by striking down the living on the avails provision. It introduces uncertainty, criminalizes relationships intended to improve safety, and recreates the same harms.

Provision 286.4: Advertising Sexual Services
The bill proposes to ban any advertising of sexual services, stating:

Everyone who knowingly advertises an offer to provide sexual services for consideration is guilty of
(a) an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term of not more than five years; or
(b) an offence punishable on summary conviction and liable to imprisonment for a term on not more than 18 months.

Key Considerations: This is an entirely new provision that attempts to radically change the sex trade in Canada. Without the ability to advertise in newspapers, online, or other forms of media, sex workers will now have severely limited means for working safely indoors. This is particularly concerning given that the court in Bedford clearly found that the ability to operate in safer indoor venues is a key measure for sex workers to reduce their risks. This new provision does not ban working indoors itself, which is not surprising given that the Supreme Court of Canada clearly stated that such a law would violate the Charter. But this new provision makes the option of safer indoor work all but impossible.

We should also have serious doubts about the capacity of the state to enforce this law, and the extraordinary resources that such enforcement would require.

Constitutional Implications: By restricting the ability of sex workers to effectively work indoors, this provision engages sex workers section 7 rights in that increases the risks faced by sex workers. It also violates sex worker’s section 2(b) rights by restricting their freedom of expression. This is a very misguided law, which is contrary to both the letter and spirit of the Supreme Court’s decision in Bedford. There is little question that Canadian courts would declare this new prohibition on advertising to be unconstitutional.
 

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Reverdy, the problem is that the site or paper is making money by providing this advertisement space and could be criminal themselves, I think. The ad is illegal, the prostitute is just not prosecuted herself for the ads (probably because of magic). Anyway, just reading the ads is a criminal offense if I understand correctly.
 

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... mais j'espère grandement!! que le but final est de vraiment attraper tous les bourreaux sexuels qui forcent violemment des gens à la prostitution, et non, de faire une prohibition aveugle en cernant et criminalisant les mauvaises personnes.

Malheureusement non. Probablement que la police va continuer à se concentrer sur les vrais criminels, mais cette loi va quand même nuire à l'ensemble de la profession.

C'est drôle comment ils se contredisent. Ils veulent aider les femmes à sortir de ce ''métier'' (ils utilisent vraiment le mot métier), mais ils leur enlèvent les droits que tous les métiers ont, y compris des clients.
 

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Siocnarf: Oui, je sais, je suis une telle idéaliste, parfois! :smile:

Mais je viens d'entendre Émilie Laliberté en entrevue, et ce projet de loi est inconstitutionnel, et sera contesté ... et sera refusé sous les mêmes termes que furent les anciennes lois, car elles ne sont que la répétition de celles-ci quelque peu différemment énoncées, tout simplement. La vraie nouveauté est la nouvelle proposition de criminaliser au niveau des annonces. Enfin. Pas très surprenant d'un gouvernement Harper, en fait.
 

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So if it has to be voted on, how is this law "official"?If a vote is needed it is "proposed", not official, and the thread title is misleading.

Also, sex workers are in a position to influence the vote. What are they doing about that?

They have to pass the law by December so it will be in place before the end of the year. The Conservatives have a majority in the house so they can just ram the law through. It's a good thing there is a general election in 2015 so hopefully the Harper government will be voted out.
 

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Well, associations such as POWER and Stella have already said that they want to participate to the Community hearings (which I believe should happen after the second reading at the House of Commons).

And POWER have also said that they intend to participate to a legal challenge. Not sure about Stella, but they probably will too.

Well they can participate in the hearings...doesn't mean the government will listen. Harper has been running the country like a dictatorship.
 

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I would like very much that a mod could please change the misleading title of this thread, because it is inexact...

The law is NOT adopted

If that could help to prevent a major panic movement or some heart attack to some
or, much more seriously
prevent to put down the demands of encounters.
 

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So i didn't read the whole thing, i'm not a lawyer or anything close to that, but what i get is that from the moment this bill will be adopted, all of us clients are considered as criminals.

Canada, going downhill since 2006.
 

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(d) in consideration for a service or good that they do not offer to the general public but that they offered or provided to the person from whose sexual services the benefit is derived, if they did not counsel or encourage that person to provide sexual services and the benefit is proportionate to the value of the service or good.[/I]

Yes, I noticed that too, but it seems very subject to interpretation. They may not be criminal for getting money, but I'm pretty sure the advertisement itself would be illegal and subject to being removed.

If I read that correctly, any third party would be legal so long as it is not exploitive. So why are they criminalizing non-abusive clients?
 

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The bill has not been "passed" yet and be sure that the boat will sink in court as it blatantly defy the Supreme Court ruling of December 2013 but it will cost a bundle of taxpayers money and lots of harm before that....
 

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I never paid attention before to law-making process, but I imagine maybe they plan to tone it down after further discussion and evaluation.

Mae West used to do that: write outrageous screenplays and then tone it down to what she planned to pretend that she was listening to critiques.
 

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Boysz!

Your are a bunch of whiners! Let me explain this though.
Imagine that you are a blind man. What do you need to do to go through life with your handicap? That's what happen few months ago with the Harper's government when they we're mandated to reform the law. They we're blinded in which direction to go. That's why they did a PUBLIC CONSULTATION in order to figure out what to do with their mandate. I personally took the time to answer to the consultation and provided answer in favor of John's and hobbyist and agency. I also voted on the Petition against the Nordic Model.
You all had the chance to weigh your opinions!!! How many time have I seen Fred Zed remind you to go vote on the petition against the Nordic Model!?!?? If it was not everyday in The Lounge... I must be blind! The petition didn't happen because it needed some 900 votes!!! Really !?!? I can't believe that all members on Merb and Terb can't put their shit together to have 2500 votes:eek: I'm speechless.
Now base on the 30000 responses they create the new legislation... how many of you have done their hobbyist duty???
Let's pray that the SCC reject the Harper's proposition.

If this bill pass I will stop hunting for good!
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Yes but I am a citizen of the USA and my vote does not count on Canadian legal matters......reminds me that I was confronted to sign a petition on University Avenue on my last trip to Montreal, by some random woman.....something about pets or animals. I told her I am not a Canadian citizen and had no vote on these local political matters. She seemed stunned.
 

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the lost virtue of discretion

One thing is certain - this will bring back the much needed virtue of discretion. All the acronyms will have to go. It's a real pity that it needed a tragedy of this proportion to achieve this.
There are jokers who write explicit reviews even on MPs and incalls which are illegal even today. For that matter even out calls are illegal the way they are advertised. Had the misguided SP who started all this by moving court understood the value of discretion and avoidance of attention in this hobby, she would not have started proceedings and would have saved us all the heartache.

The mafia understood the adverse effect of publicity upon their well being and frowned upon any activity that could remotely draw attention to themselves.
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... from wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian-American_Civil_Rights_League

The Italian-American Civil Rights League was formed as a political group in and around New York City in the early 1970s. Its stated goal was to combat pejorative stereotypes about Italian-Americans.

The group began as the Italian American Anti-Defamation League[1] on April 30, 1970, when approximately 30 Italian-Americans, led by Joseph Colombo, picketed the Manhattan headquarters of the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

On June 28, 1971, the league held another rally in Columbus Circle. At the rally, Colombo was shot three times in the head by a man who was then immediately shot and killed himself; the blast left Colombo in a coma from which he would never recover (he died on May 22, 1978). Theories abounded as to the motive for the shooting; the most commonly held belief was that other Mafia bosses in New York ordered the hit because they did not like the media attention Colombo and the group were receiving. The organization, at that time believed to number more than 100,000, had effectively disappeared within a year after the shooting.
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It behoves all of us to be discreet in all things related to the hobby ... or else we are doomed.
 

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I have no right whatsoever to vote on another country's legal matters! Unless I am a citizen of that country my opinion does not matter or count.
 

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EB, that's not completely true. Only Canadians could answer the government consultation, but many people from other countries signed the petition against the Model. Sex worker's right is a world-wide matter.
 
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