I think they are not really trying to *win* votes so much as make sure they lose as little as possible. They have their balls between a rock and a hard place. Prostitutes as victims is very popular now and they cannot criminalize them without making women angry. Although I'm not completely sure about that. Polls in Sweden seem to show that most women would be in favor of criminalizing both sides, while men are more in favor of letting prostitutes off the hook. We won't know what Canadians really think until they reveal the results of the real scientific study.
It's Official Canada has adopted Nordic Model Prostitution Law
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It would be nice to know if opposition leaders Thomas Mulcaire and Justin Trudeau feels about Harper's position not only the legal side of it but the political side also?
The way they feel about it as the opposition could be very different with the way they will feel about it when they are elected. It seemed Trudeau was favorable to the Nordic model, but I did not see any comments since the bill was tabled.
Yes I tend to agree! what ever the law says it will not please all ,who ever makes it will carry the disgrace !!!
"Its a hot potato"
A real pressure cooker
Can't wait to see final wording
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Man, most of those Nordic beauties even show their faces, mmmmmm. Don't know bout you guys but I'm hopping on the plane and flyin over for some Nordic lovin.
Is this the 'model' puritan douche-bag mckay had in mind?
Checkout the Stockholm 'Backapages' !
http://stockholm.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/
Man, most of those Nordic beauties even show their faces, mmmmmm. Don't know bout you guys but I'm hopping on the plane and flyin over for some Nordic lovin.
Is this the 'model' puritan douche-bag mckay had in mind?
Of course it will pass. And of course hobby won't never be the same after.
I hobbyed in some country where it's illegal. Of course you always manage to find girl if that's just what you're looking for. But the prices are way higher and it's like a lottery, in no way you can guess which girl you'll find behind the door...
They're going to have to vote on it at some point. I understand why he doesn't rush to comment, but he can't keep silent forever. Like someone suggested here earlier, if they play their cards right they can use this to make Harper look even more incompetent. Trudeau can still approve of the general aim of the Nordic approach, but oppose this particular bill for being doomed to fail in court.
The Nordic model has passed France's lower house too and will be up for consideration in the Senate sometime this summer.
This epidemic is spreading !
However there is now serious debate on it's efficasy in Sweden. It is opposed not only by academics but also unpopular among the younger generation surveys reveal.
Also, an evaluation done in 2010 found a massive increase in cases of purchase of sex. The supporters tried to pass it off as a consequence of increased police action though in reality indications are that the police do not enforce it strictly except at the street level and cases where trafficking is suspected. Even then after initially showing a decline, it has increased dramatically in recent years. Apparently, the survey was worrying enough for 2 things to happen -
1. number of convictions was not published.
2. in 2011, the penalty was increased to 1 year imprisonment.
There is also backlash against feminist excesses in Europe - a new term that is being increasingly heard is Femininazi.
Alas, researching this frickin' thing is consuming large chunks of my time !
This epidemic is spreading !
However there is now serious debate on it's efficasy in Sweden. It is opposed not only by academics but also unpopular among the younger generation surveys reveal.
Also, an evaluation done in 2010 found a massive increase in cases of purchase of sex. The supporters tried to pass it off as a consequence of increased police action though in reality indications are that the police do not enforce it strictly except at the street level and cases where trafficking is suspected. Even then after initially showing a decline, it has increased dramatically in recent years. Apparently, the survey was worrying enough for 2 things to happen -
1. number of convictions was not published.
2. in 2011, the penalty was increased to 1 year imprisonment.
There is also backlash against feminist excesses in Europe - a new term that is being increasingly heard is Femininazi.
Alas, researching this frickin' thing is consuming large chunks of my time !
This is just how it is in the United States. A crap shoot. I can remember girls coming to my room and it is a Mexican Stand-off. Who is going to make the first move. And if your unlucky you may just find yourself caught up in a sting operation and lose your car, job, and the rest of your life. I always thought that Canada was the one place in North America that you can hobby and not have to look over your shoulder.
'Casual' - key word in Swedish version of the law
A key word present in the Swedish version but not found in the Canadian version (I may have missed it somehow) is 'casual'.
Relevant section from the original Swedish version as found in Wikipedia -
6.11 A person who, otherwise than as previously provided in this Chapter [on Sexual Crimes], obtains a casual sexual relation in return for payment, shall be sentenced for purchase of a sexual service to a fine or imprisonment for at most six months.
So not all purchase of sexual relation is illegal - just the casual ones - whatever that means.
This makes sense as keeping a mistress or a girl marrying for money is not considered prostitution after all.
A key word present in the Swedish version but not found in the Canadian version (I may have missed it somehow) is 'casual'.
Relevant section from the original Swedish version as found in Wikipedia -
6.11 A person who, otherwise than as previously provided in this Chapter [on Sexual Crimes], obtains a casual sexual relation in return for payment, shall be sentenced for purchase of a sexual service to a fine or imprisonment for at most six months.
So not all purchase of sexual relation is illegal - just the casual ones - whatever that means.
This makes sense as keeping a mistress or a girl marrying for money is not considered prostitution after all.
Prophet, 2010 was when the Swedish government made a big commission to study the effects of the law. They released very positive english summaries, but researchers who could read the whole original swedish version say there is no evidence in these studies that support their claims.
http://www.nswp.org/sites/nswp.org/files/Issue-Paper-4%5B1%5D_0.pdf
Also about casual, the law was eventually amended to exclude casual situations that were a real date (whatever that means once again)
The disease is spreading like chickenpox and it will disappear like chickenpox. We just need to bite the bullet for a few years if it passes.
http://www.nswp.org/sites/nswp.org/files/Issue-Paper-4%5B1%5D_0.pdf
Also about casual, the law was eventually amended to exclude casual situations that were a real date (whatever that means once again)
The disease is spreading like chickenpox and it will disappear like chickenpox. We just need to bite the bullet for a few years if it passes.
It will be different in Canada with the new law as the girl has blanket immunity. Instead of a stand-off on who makes the first move, what you may have is the girl jumping on you the moment she steps in - immunity is freedom.
Hard to believe yes but stupider law where adopted or enforced Harper's Government
Bill C-53 the reverse proof opus ,it goes agains presumption of innocence was pass !here the link to this other tragedy
http://www.parl.gc.ca/About/Parliam.../bills_ls.asp?ls=C53&Parl=38&Ses=1&Language=E
No one thought iit would pass but it did
Can't weight to havee final wording of C-36 ??
Reverdy, from what I read, the big surge in arrest around 2010 is caused by a boost of money to LE to increase their presence. This is an observational crime, the more policemen you have looking for clients, the more ''crime'' you have.
On the other hand, the fact that they have to increase police effort 10 years after the law was passed shows clearly that it is not having an effect.
On a different note, I hear the parliament is supposed to do the 2nd reading debate of bill C-36 this wednesday.
Here's a site where you can read transcript of discussions regarding this bill during parliament:
https://openparliament.ca/bills/41-2/C-36/
On a different note, I hear the parliament is supposed to do the 2nd reading debate of bill C-36 this wednesday.
Here's a site where you can read transcript of discussions regarding this bill during parliament:
https://openparliament.ca/bills/41-2/C-36/
Well, to put things into perpesctive, incall are already forbidden, and who care ?
Moreover, we are in Montreal. We have a different culture. Do you really think that the policemen (who share this culture) are going to be that strict with prostitutes costumers ? Is there a Montreal policeman who never went to a MP in his life ? Seriously ? Don't you think that all our dear agencies don't have any good support in the police ?
Moreover, we are in Montreal. We have a different culture. Do you really think that the policemen (who share this culture) are going to be that strict with prostitutes costumers ? Is there a Montreal policeman who never went to a MP in his life ? Seriously ? Don't you think that all our dear agencies don't have any good support in the police ?
I can't imagine any witch-hunt in Montreal. In Toronto, probably, but not here... Sexual freedom is in Montreal DNA. You can't tranform a city like Montreal into a prudish U.S. city with a simple law. You need a cooperating police to apply it.
Patron, on top of that, extortion is also a serious crime. Only a stupid woman would try to blackmail a client.
I don't think police will change the way they do things unless they receive large increase in budget for that purpose. I think they share a philosophy with the sex workers: ''we know what we're doing, just let us do our work and mind your own business''
I don't think police will change the way they do things unless they receive large increase in budget for that purpose. I think they share a philosophy with the sex workers: ''we know what we're doing, just let us do our work and mind your own business''
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