Jordan Peterson's 12 Rules for Life: An Antidote to Chaos
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I'm wary of 55 year-olds teaching young men how to live.
If I was 19, I would tell Peterson to take his 12 "rules of life" and stick them up his ass. As you should do when you're 19.
It's time young men become men and stop blaming women, or people inventing meaningless pronouns, for their misfortunes. It's time they stop putting their future in the hands of old guys, whether he's called Donald or Bernie, or young guys thinking like old ones.
Alt-right with a smile.
If I was 19, I would tell Peterson to take his 12 "rules of life" and stick them up his ass. As you should do when you're 19.
It's time young men become men and stop blaming women, or people inventing meaningless pronouns, for their misfortunes. It's time they stop putting their future in the hands of old guys, whether he's called Donald or Bernie, or young guys thinking like old ones.
Alt-right with a smile.
You are sadly parroting what the most unitelligent social justice warriors say about him and you probably never read his books or viewed his videos.
- He urges young men to grow up but never blamed women at all (actually, he makes it a case of managing serotonin levels and to set goals and a discipline for life)
- He is opposed to C-16 based on the opinion that it tramples free speech. He never said or suggested that gender neutral pronouns are to be blamed for young men not becoming men.
- He is a dedicated and thorough as well as documented critic of neo-marxism and postmodernism but he is not alt.right at all.
In short, I mean no insult to you, but you don't know what you're talking about.
- He urges young men to grow up but never blamed women at all (actually, he makes it a case of managing serotonin levels and to set goals and a discipline for life)
- He is opposed to C-16 based on the opinion that it tramples free speech. He never said or suggested that gender neutral pronouns are to be blamed for young men not becoming men.
- He is a dedicated and thorough as well as documented critic of neo-marxism and postmodernism but he is not alt.right at all.
In short, I mean no insult to you, but you don't know what you're talking about.
Indeed. Very sad that those SJW and radical feminists must absolutely lie about him.
Radical feminist and co-host of Channel 4 News Cathy Newman tries to bully prof Peterson but achieves only to make a total fool of herself.
https://youtu.be/aMcjxSThD54
https://youtu.be/aMcjxSThD54
Peterson: "Radical leftist ideologues are authoritarian which they are…" They don’t have a right to speak for their entire movement.
The interviewer said you can't compare the trans activists to Chairmen Mao.
Jordan Peterson: "Why not?"
..."The philosophy that is guiding their utterances is the same philosophy that already has driven us to the deaths of millions of people." It is the same identity politics.
Interviewer: "Trans activists are killing millions of people?"
Peterson: “not yet.”
Idiot lady: "OK, tell us what is that philosophy."
Jordan Peterson: "The philosophy presumes that group identity is paramount and that's the fundamental philosophy that drove the Soviet Union and Maoist China and that is the fundamental philosophy of the left wing activists. It is identity politics. It doesn't matter who you are as an individual. It only matters who you are in terms of your group identity."
The interviewer said you can't compare the trans activists to Chairmen Mao.
Jordan Peterson: "Why not?"
..."The philosophy that is guiding their utterances is the same philosophy that already has driven us to the deaths of millions of people." It is the same identity politics.
Interviewer: "Trans activists are killing millions of people?"
Peterson: “not yet.”
Idiot lady: "OK, tell us what is that philosophy."
Jordan Peterson: "The philosophy presumes that group identity is paramount and that's the fundamental philosophy that drove the Soviet Union and Maoist China and that is the fundamental philosophy of the left wing activists. It is identity politics. It doesn't matter who you are as an individual. It only matters who you are in terms of your group identity."
What's so funny about peace, love and social justice?
My first message was short and not well thought-out, and I digressed. Let's fix this because, while I understand why this man gets attention, I'm curious as to why such a following is developping around him.
At the heart of the problem is the fact that I am uncomfortable when I'm seeing an older man lecturing kids with things like "clean your room" or "pull up your pants" (that one was actually from Bill Cosby) ... Even though you can't deny cleaning your room and pulling up your pants are sensible things to do.
Dr. Peterson is smart, he's eloquent, he's interesting.
I also find him to be paranoid on certain things. Not hysterical like far right radio hosts or radical leftist crazies. But paranoid in the sense he's exagerrating a threat or a trend.
I don't believe things are "deteriorating" between men and women on the workplace, as he says. They might be according to many men. But many women would say they actually improved, now that society seem to be confronting things that have been swept under the rug for so long, like harrassment. …Now… are we confronting it the right way? It's another debate.
I hate marxism as much as the next guy, and agree with what he says about the dangers of such ideologies, but I think he is seeing a slipping slope toward marxism that simply does not exist in society at large. If anything, the opposite is happening. He is a teacher, he's surrounded by this on campus, he's getting tunnel vision, I think he extrapolates from this and think it is mainstream, or soon will be.
He sees marxism and radical left ideology seeping into society. I disagree on this, and I am much more preoccupied by authoritarianism, bullying and unkindness to others, who are also, it seems to me, spreading. I think adressing these things are more important.
I believe we should aslo adress the culture of perpetual outrage who brings nothing good to anyone, leftwingers and rightwingers alike. I seem to agree with Peterson on this. Maybe I just disagree on how to achieve that goal.
I, as Peterson, think this pronouns thing is dumb af. Unlike him, I don't see it as a existential threat to society. Just as a dumb thing.
As for the personal aspect of things, maybe that's just me. I don't find his "clean your room" message to be uplifting, or motivating. When I had to "clean my room" (I probably still need to, but let's move on), I've been inspired by people who preached about standing straight too, but by exercising to have a better posture, become physically stronger, doing more pull-ups and running faster, breathing, having control over emotions and not reacting out of anger, challenging myself, pushing my limits, daring to live without certain things I was using as crutches, engaging with strangers. Maybe it's just me: I responded better to people whose example motivated me to be a better version of myself and a more responsible person. I'm not saying Peterson's message is wrong, or bad, I just find his "cleaning your room" message to be one of depressing conformity.
Never heard of him till now and decided to Google...
Peterson's lectures, YouTube videos, and new book contain wisdom that ranges from the incendiary (that sexual assault is a consequence of the decline of traditional marriage), to the obvious (skateboarding is cool), to the vacuously pithy ("Start to stop doing what you know to be wrong"), and utterly ponderous ("cats are a manifestation of nature, of Being, in an almost pure form"). He has been called a "dangerous scholar" (the Chronicle of Higher Education), "Canada's newest intellectual star" (the National Post), "YouTube's new father figure" (the National Review), and, in an acerbic turn that cuts to the heart of the Peterson Paradox, as "the stupid man's smart person" (Tabatha Southey in Maclean's).
Not sure if I would read his book, have others in line.
Peterson's lectures, YouTube videos, and new book contain wisdom that ranges from the incendiary (that sexual assault is a consequence of the decline of traditional marriage), to the obvious (skateboarding is cool), to the vacuously pithy ("Start to stop doing what you know to be wrong"), and utterly ponderous ("cats are a manifestation of nature, of Being, in an almost pure form"). He has been called a "dangerous scholar" (the Chronicle of Higher Education), "Canada's newest intellectual star" (the National Post), "YouTube's new father figure" (the National Review), and, in an acerbic turn that cuts to the heart of the Peterson Paradox, as "the stupid man's smart person" (Tabatha Southey in Maclean's).
Not sure if I would read his book, have others in line.
Yeah, for a younger person maybe. As other have said, telling that to a 19 yr old is difficult. When I was in my teens I thought my dad did not have a clue about things, now I realize how smart he really was. I basically tell my kids the same things simplified, set a goal and stick with it, do not spread false rumors, try and set a good example to others, assist those in need, do not steal ( really hate thieves ). I think I have done pretty good so far.
Well, what are you supposed to tell young men then? Smoke pot and play xbox all day? What values are fathers supposed to pass on to their sons? Set no goals for yourself, follow no discipline, live randomly and leave your room in a mess? Are those teachings supposed to help young men to grow up, walk straight and be happy?
I do not think you understood what I wrote.
Just to add, if your kids have a messy room that is bad parenting, nothing to do with the child.
Just to add, if your kids have a messy room that is bad parenting, nothing to do with the child.
Mohammed, This guys was brilliant in the two interviews I watched. I like how the interviewer said "You paint all these women with a broad brush." He said "I'm a clinical psychologist." [This is what I do crazy lady.]
I also think he is correct about the abridgment of free speech. These are dangerous laws that curtail our rights and yes, this is the same kind of thing that the Bolsheviks and other communists enacted. It is one of the first or second steps to losing your rights. He is correct. This is dangerous.
I also think he is correct about the abridgment of free speech. These are dangerous laws that curtail our rights and yes, this is the same kind of thing that the Bolsheviks and other communists enacted. It is one of the first or second steps to losing your rights. He is correct. This is dangerous.
I made a general statement. I wasn't addressing you particularly. When I address someone particularly I make sure it's clear.
It is dangerous. It doesn't mean that there is an imminent danger but it is unquestionably dangerous
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