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Jordan Peterson's 12 Rules for Life: An Antidote to Chaos

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I agree with you neverbored, I also think his stance as religious conservative a little unsettling, in general, they have specific agendas and also harbour some intolerance which in turn drives them to be against this and that. But he is a good orator and tacticien.

I don't consider Jordan Peterson to be a religious conservative. He doesn't take religious theocracy from a literal perspective. Based on his interviews, he's too smart to be pigeon-holed by today's extreme left and right dichotomy. I think he offers a pathway forward for those in the traditional center without all the vitriolic labeling and certainly without the divisive identity politics evident in North America today.
 

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Not crazy about the man's ideas. I've always been a fan of authoritarianism... and he seems more like a libertarian to me. Democracy is a load of bullshit, Peterson (et al).
 

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Peterson: "Radical leftist ideologues are authoritarian which they are…" They don’t have a right to speak for their entire movement.

The interviewer said you can't compare the trans activists to Chairmen Mao.

Jordan Peterson: "Why not?"
..."The philosophy that is guiding their utterances is the same philosophy that already has driven us to the deaths of millions of people." It is the same identity politics.

Interviewer: "Trans activists are killing millions of people?"

Peterson: “not yet.”

Idiot lady: "OK, tell us what is that philosophy."

Jordan Peterson: "The philosophy presumes that group identity is paramount and that's the fundamental philosophy that drove the Soviet Union and Maoist China and that is the fundamental philosophy of the left wing activists. It is identity politics. It doesn't matter who you are as an individual. It only matters who you are in terms of your group identity."


What's wrong with Authoritarianism? Why does the individual matter? The state should come before the individual, no?
 

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These guys are clearly deep thinkers. When Peterson talks about Nietschke and Jung I am reminded of my college philosophy professor. I never had a professor more enthusiastic about the subject matter of what he was talking about, while being free of political and personal agendas. He was genuinely enthusiastic about it and it wore off on me. Peterson understands the philosophy but he ties it in to political and religious doctrine and policy. He sees “Death of God” as inevitably producing a totalitarian or communist system and I don’t agree that there is a causal relationship. I believe that the value systems embedded in organized religion are capable of being developed outside of organized religions.

Freedom of speech is a pretty useless right. How many persons truly have anything to say? Speech should only be free insofar as it benefits the state. That's what the United States believes in. You can say whatever you wish, as long as it's in line with what we want.
 

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I also think he is correct about the abridgment of free speech. These are dangerous laws that curtail our rights and yes, this is the same kind of thing that the Bolsheviks and other communists enacted. It is one of the first or second steps to losing your rights. He is correct. This is dangerous.

To whom? People who have nothing to say? The only people afraid of having their speech censored are traitors to the nation. The (Fascist) Roman Empire, Naploleon, Communists and both the Italian and German Fascist parties had this right!
 

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To whom? People who have nothing to say? The only people afraid of having their speech censored are traitors to the nation. The (Fascist) Roman Empire, Naploleon, Communists and both the Italian and German Fascist parties had this right!

Sarcasm, I hope...
 

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Sarcasm, I hope...

Nope. In the military the concept of free speech is anathema precisely because allowing everyone to say what they would; would destroy the order and cohesion of a troop, battalion etc...

We're 'talking' about the most ridiculous things today. Like toilets in places of education. Pick one and STFU. You can't stand men? What's new? Don't understand women? What's new?

Freedom of speech is seriously overrated.
 

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We are talking about ridiculous things because it is easier than worrying about the massive debt piling up by governments. The new generation who have never worked and still live in mom's basement have all the answers to clean up the world and make it a better place, not in the future but right now.
 

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^^^^^ Not into Peterson's books at all, just agree with his stance on climate change, IMO he is correct, money ( taxes ) will not change it.
 

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Yes, what an idiot. Why, who could have a problem with the all those gender neutral pronouns that the Canada wants to make legally binding? They are so helpful. He also bad mouths the institution of Communism which all the intellectuals at the university rightfully know has taken an unjust bad rap and should be given another go for the sake of the poor workers of the world.

https://ok2bme.ca/gender-neutral-pronouns/

Let me remind you all that the Gender Neutral Pronoun "Fucker" has been the only GNP used by the United States Marine Corp since 1775.
 

Sol Tee Nutz

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^^^^^^^^ I recognise myself as a 25 yr old lesbian who is into pillow fights and various oral activities.
 

hungry101

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Hmm Sol Tee...I think that I shall refer to you as "Xe."
 

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I think one of our liberal cohorts described Jordan Peterson as banal on another thread. Perhaps.

Some of us might say it's obvious there are only two genders. What kind of a revelation is that? It's not just what Peterson says, but how he says it. It's clear, precise and well-thought out. More to the point, Peterson's words offend many on the Far Left, many on campuses and many in media. If you want to reject ideas and prevent their advancement, you're going to have to offend.

Why does the New York Times ignore Peterson's book sales and leave his book off their Best Seller List? Isn't this a form of censorship? To engender such an ugly reaction makes me think he's accomplishing something few have been able to do to date. He threatens the Far Left's identity politics movement and drives them crazy.

When he stood up against Bill C-16 and for free speech, he did not know that he wouldn't suffer consequences. He could have lost his position at the University of Toronto. The protests of students and some faculty against his views actually put him on the map. As he said, the more people protested the more books he sold. The more he was in demand to give speeches.

He has become a pop culture phenomenon. But rather than criticize a pop-rock band like Nickelback or an author like Jordan Peterson, I admire anyone who can sell that many albums or in Peterson's case books. The critics gonna hate, hate, hate.
 

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I give you full props for the Once Upon a Deadpool link.
 

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BTW - The NYTimes isn't censoring him. Their list is based on books published in the US only. Due to Penguin deciding to publish it through their Random House Canada imprint it doesn't qualify.

This is, admittedly, kind of a stupid thing and basically a technicality. But it isn't a leftist conspiracy.


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