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Jordan Peterson's 12 Rules for Life: An Antidote to Chaos

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Bill Cosby telling someone to pull up their pants?! Boy that's rich.....:doh:

Funny thing about Cosby is that he has a comedy routine about Spanish Fly that dates back to the 60's. He had a black and white series with Robert Conrad I believe called "I Spy." They once went over to shot on location in Spain and he and Conrad were excited "we're gonna get some Spanish Fly" all the way over. They get to Spain and take a cab from the airport. The Cabbie turns to Cosby and Conrad and asks "Do you know where I can get any American Fly?" I thought that old joke was rather ironic considering he has been drugging women for years.
 

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His response to Cathy's question below was classic:

Cathy Newman: Why should your right to freedom of speech trump a trans person's right not to be offended?


Jordan Peterson: Because in order to be able to think you have to risk being offensive...You're certainly willing to risk offending me in the pursuit of truth. Why should you have the right to do that? It's been rather uncomfortable.
 

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Funny thing about Cosby is that he has a comedy routine about Spanish Fly that dates back to the 60's. He had a black and white series with Robert Conrad I believe called "I Spy."

It was Robert Culp who was a much better actor than Robert Conrad.
 

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His response to Cathy's question below was classic:

Cathy Newman: Why should your right to freedom of speech trump a trans person's right not to be offended?


Jordan Peterson: Because in order to be able to think you have to risk being offensive...You're certainly willing to risk offending me in the pursuit of truth. Why should you have the right to do that? It's been rather uncomfortable.

He threw her off for a moment with this comeback. This is the entire basis of the fight for free speech on campus. You can't possibly explore truth in an academic setting if your so concerned with offending people.
 

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His response to Cathy's question below was classic:

Cathy Newman: Why should your right to freedom of speech trump a trans person's right not to be offended?


Jordan Peterson: Because in order to be able to think you have to risk being offensive...You're certainly willing to risk offending me in the pursuit of truth. Why should you have the right to do that? It's been rather uncomfortable.

He threw her off for a moment with this comeback. This is the entire basis of the fight for free speech on campus. You can't possibly explore truth in an academic setting if your so concerned with offending people.
 

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Radical feminist and co-host of Channel 4 News Cathy Newman tries to bully prof Peterson but achieves only to make a total fool of herself.

https://youtu.be/aMcjxSThD54

What's her deal? She could be on MSNBC. Was she just trying to challenge him? Or does she believe some of that drivel?

I think she's pushing the dogma that equality of outcomes should be a desired goal. This I think is part of how Marxist academics have repackaged their cause focusing on identity politics and victimization. Afterall, wasn't equal outcomes an objective of communism? That's why this battle of language is being hard fought on campuses and through liberal media outlets.

I'm sure if I read Peterson's work I might take issue with aspects of it. But that's the point. We read, we think, we debate ideas, we reformulate thoughts. From his interviews, he seems very articulate and persuasive. I like him because he knows the data and science. Cathy Newman was thrown off by his command of detail and his disciplined replies. In contrast, there are too many professors on campuses who are not intellectually competent and are teaching indoctrination courses with no science and discipline behind them.

I think I saw Freakonomics on his bookshelf during an interview. That's a very representative book for Jordan Peterson to own.
 

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I just downloaded the Audio book by Peterson. BTW - I read Freakonomics. Outstanding book.
 

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Indeed, we must be able to express ourselves completely, although in respect...

"Respect" is the KEY word in all of this. Without respecting the other party (attempting empathy if not achieving it, seeking to understand the others' point of view), conversations/debates cease to be meaningful.

If someone IS offended at something I said, why is that? I'd like to know, understand, and try a different way of making my point. Then listen to their response - unless someone feels like they're being listened to, I think its LONG odds that they will listen to you.
 

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"Respect" is the KEY word in all of this. Without respecting the other party (attempting empathy if not achieving it, seeking to understand the others' point of view), conversations/debates cease to be meaningful.

If someone IS offended at something I said, why is that? I'd like to know, understand, and try a different way of making my point. Then listen to their response - unless someone feels like they're being listened to, I think its LONG odds that they will listen to you.

These college activists are not offended. That is a bunch of crap to curtail freedom of speech. What was the latest thing that Purdue University was trying to implement about taking the word stem "man" or "men" out of words because everyone was going to pass out if they heard "sales-men" instead of sales-person or the city of Manchester becomes Person-chester. Kids need to go to school to find a skill that they can peddle so I don't have to feed them with welfare. Why do we have so many that go to the university to learn how to be activists?
 

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"Respect" is the KEY word in all of this. Without respecting the other party (attempting empathy if not achieving it, seeking to understand the others' point of view), conversations/debates cease to be meaningful.

If someone IS offended at something I said, why is that? I'd like to know, understand, and try a different way of making my point. Then listen to their response - unless someone feels like they're being listened to, I think its LONG odds that they will listen to you.

Agreed, those long odds make the dialogue evolve, they are required at all times.

What was it again, oh yeah, patience is a virtue...
 

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Anyone read it? I'm reading it now. Very interesting guy. His complete ownage of Cathy Newman live on Channel News 4 was delightful. Discuss...

Hey thanks for this. I've been seeing references about him over the past few months and never took the time to actually hear him out. The fact that Trump warriors and CNN really push him was enough for me not to want to... but after watching a few of his clips I can say that I truly respect where he's coming from but I would love to read deeper into his reference data...

I really do agree on his stance about not accepting to be forced by the goverment to change our use of pronouns in reference to transgenders as : they for ,vis,ae, aer,aers,fae,faer,faers,and the list goes on ... don't get me wrong, I couldn't care less about the cause because I'll respect whatever choices a person wants to make. But to have goverment enforcing use of pronouns... c'mon... and listening to the arguements they bring up really isn't helping their cause in any way if you ask me. Reminded me of the carré rouge...

About the Cathy Newman interview, you can see this guy is a master debator (and his background as a psychologist doesn't hurt) . The way he constantly shot down Cathy Newman was textbook negociation tactics on both sides, he was just more skilled than she was.

I also enjoyed hearing how he phrased that part about the causes of "gender inequality" and pay gaps. IMHO he hit it right on the nose when he explained it had nothing to do with the fact of gender... and he uses Kathy's own experience and just breaks her as she says "ya you got me" it wasn't just cringy but brutally honest. You could tell she actually genuinly agreed with his statements... perhaps because he's right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMcjxSThD54&feature=youtu.be&t=12m00s

The only thing that sticks out as perhaps a little dangerous isn't that he's a shit disturber (he's promoting his book after all) but his negociation skills are alarmingly good which gives him the ability to control any situation very comfortably. Especially when being faced with naturally agreeable people or emotionally leftists.
 
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I agree with you neverbored, I also think his stance as religious conservative a little unsettling, in general, they have specific agendas and also harbour some intolerance which in turn drives them to be against this and that. But he is a good orator and tacticien.
 

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Jordan & Ben Shapiro discussing freedom of speech (and thought)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRPDGEgaATU&ab_channel=TheRubinReport..

These guys are clearly deep thinkers. When Peterson talks about Nietschke and Jung I am reminded of my college philosophy professor. I never had a professor more enthusiastic about the subject matter of what he was talking about, while being free of political and personal agendas. He was genuinely enthusiastic about it and it wore off on me. Peterson understands the philosophy but he ties it in to political and religious doctrine and policy. He sees “Death of God” as inevitably producing a totalitarian or communist system and I don’t agree that there is a causal relationship. I believe that the value systems embedded in organized religion are capable of being developed outside of organized religions.
 
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