Lets hear it for the OLF
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Immigrants
Hey I know SAAQ sucks big time. I also know that taxi drivers are amongt the most dangerous drivers.
I have a romanian friend who got his license quite easily. He keeps saying that comparing Romanian and Quebec offices for license to drive is no contest. I know that immigrants suffer persecutions but I also know it is human nature to blame everything but themselves.
Hey I know SAAQ sucks big time. I also know that taxi drivers are amongt the most dangerous drivers.
I have a romanian friend who got his license quite easily. He keeps saying that comparing Romanian and Quebec offices for license to drive is no contest. I know that immigrants suffer persecutions but I also know it is human nature to blame everything but themselves.
Saaq
You know, my father never had an accident and only one ticket in his whole life. He's been driving for 40 years or so. But each time I take a ride with him I am surprised at how bad he drives. Same apply for me, never had anything but my road rage should have killed my years ago, I don't own a car and I consider it my gift to society. In driving, sometimes, experience is your worst enemy as it is making you overconfident. I keep saying that Quebec is a very tolerant society, but sure there are flaws. But the same applys for every country. Nobody is gonna tell me I will not my victim of discrimination in another country. It is awfull we can only hope it will disappear.
Some years ago, in the metro, I met a young black guy about 18-19 years old. He was telling his friend about him not getting a job because of racism. The guy could not place two words in front of each other without being incoherent, he looked doped and he was laying on the bench. I am not racist, as I have many friends of many race in many countries, but I wouldn't hire him. The saddest part is him blaming everything on racism is blinding him from the truth. I cannot assume, and I am not assuming anything about your friends, but none of mine had big problems with either the language or the discrimination. Of course I work in an open-minded artistic domain so it my vary.... Anyway, I hope you tkae this in a good way and I wish you and your friends the best of luck.
You know, my father never had an accident and only one ticket in his whole life. He's been driving for 40 years or so. But each time I take a ride with him I am surprised at how bad he drives. Same apply for me, never had anything but my road rage should have killed my years ago, I don't own a car and I consider it my gift to society. In driving, sometimes, experience is your worst enemy as it is making you overconfident. I keep saying that Quebec is a very tolerant society, but sure there are flaws. But the same applys for every country. Nobody is gonna tell me I will not my victim of discrimination in another country. It is awfull we can only hope it will disappear.
Some years ago, in the metro, I met a young black guy about 18-19 years old. He was telling his friend about him not getting a job because of racism. The guy could not place two words in front of each other without being incoherent, he looked doped and he was laying on the bench. I am not racist, as I have many friends of many race in many countries, but I wouldn't hire him. The saddest part is him blaming everything on racism is blinding him from the truth. I cannot assume, and I am not assuming anything about your friends, but none of mine had big problems with either the language or the discrimination. Of course I work in an open-minded artistic domain so it my vary.... Anyway, I hope you tkae this in a good way and I wish you and your friends the best of luck.
Are we hijacking the thread now? 
Nice to see you back Oliver!
Cool:
There's a big difference in driving in a country where traffic laws are quasi inexistant or totally not respected and driving in Canada. I could bet driving in either Romania or Columbia it only require you to pay for the driver licence, nothing more asked. If you drove for 15 years under these conditions then, it's a totally new thing to drive here.
I've known peoples from Romania and I can tell I would not even go near a car where they're the driver. They were ok in Romania since everybody is doing it that way there, but here... These guy should try to "forget" what they know about driving in Romania and start here with a fresh approach.
SAAQ is known to be extremely picky, no matter if you're black, white, brow or green with pink dots. I have white friends who had to retake 3 times or more. On the road, any problem they see will hurt. Dead spots, flashers, stop lines, pedestrian zones, traffic signs... There's a lot to think about! If the 17yo white french punk made no mistake, he'll pass. If he made some, he'll fail.
Did your buddies try to go pass the test outside Montreal? Sometimes, outside metropolitan area, the examiner are less picky and the test conditions are less stressful. My GF is driving since 2 years and still refuse to drive in Montreal so, I can imagine somebody who's not used to that type of traffic and is under the pressure of an examiner... Again, 15 years in Romania is not worth much in Canada.
Also, next time, they could ask POLITELY what was wrong and what they can improve. Not asking with a bad attitude, not kind of "what the fuck is the problem?" but in a positive way, showing they want to improve their skills, not just get over with the damn thing. I don't imply your buddies were arrogant at all but, sometimes we get pissed and it show, even if we think it doesn't...
If all else fail, maybe it's because they are doing something definetly wrong and they can't see it on their own? A dirving course is then the the only way to go. A professional instructor will spot problems and assist in correcting them. If your buddies go ahead and redo the same errors every time without knowing, it will never work, even after 30 tries!
On the long term, considering the cost of each retake and the fact they don't drive a cab until they get the licence so now, they are loosing money, it will be cheaper to take a course than trying 20 times! Cheaper for them and safer for all of their future customers (and us!).
After all this, I concede there's racism in Montreal because there is some anywhere. It's stupid but it's human nature.
Few thing to remember:
1- Going in and seeing everybody as being racist doesn't help.
2- Blaming all problems on race doesn't help. (see Steak's example)
3- Assholes are avaliable in all skin colors, white included. (and I'm white)
4- Sometimes, the problem is closer to home than we want to admit.
5- One's belly button is not the center of the universe but one should be looking at it objectively once in a while.
Good luck to your buddies.
Nice to see you back Oliver!
Cool:
There's a big difference in driving in a country where traffic laws are quasi inexistant or totally not respected and driving in Canada. I could bet driving in either Romania or Columbia it only require you to pay for the driver licence, nothing more asked. If you drove for 15 years under these conditions then, it's a totally new thing to drive here.
I've known peoples from Romania and I can tell I would not even go near a car where they're the driver. They were ok in Romania since everybody is doing it that way there, but here...
These guy should try to "forget" what they know about driving in Romania and start here with a fresh approach.SAAQ is known to be extremely picky, no matter if you're black, white, brow or green with pink dots. I have white friends who had to retake 3 times or more. On the road, any problem they see will hurt. Dead spots, flashers, stop lines, pedestrian zones, traffic signs... There's a lot to think about! If the 17yo white french punk made no mistake, he'll pass. If he made some, he'll fail.
Did your buddies try to go pass the test outside Montreal? Sometimes, outside metropolitan area, the examiner are less picky and the test conditions are less stressful. My GF is driving since 2 years and still refuse to drive in Montreal so, I can imagine somebody who's not used to that type of traffic and is under the pressure of an examiner... Again, 15 years in Romania is not worth much in Canada.
Also, next time, they could ask POLITELY what was wrong and what they can improve. Not asking with a bad attitude, not kind of "what the fuck is the problem?" but in a positive way, showing they want to improve their skills, not just get over with the damn thing. I don't imply your buddies were arrogant at all but, sometimes we get pissed and it show, even if we think it doesn't...
If all else fail, maybe it's because they are doing something definetly wrong and they can't see it on their own? A dirving course is then the the only way to go. A professional instructor will spot problems and assist in correcting them. If your buddies go ahead and redo the same errors every time without knowing, it will never work, even after 30 tries!
On the long term, considering the cost of each retake and the fact they don't drive a cab until they get the licence so now, they are loosing money, it will be cheaper to take a course than trying 20 times! Cheaper for them and safer for all of their future customers (and us!).
After all this, I concede there's racism in Montreal because there is some anywhere. It's stupid but it's human nature.
Few thing to remember:
1- Going in and seeing everybody as being racist doesn't help.
2- Blaming all problems on race doesn't help. (see Steak's example)
3- Assholes are avaliable in all skin colors, white included. (and I'm white)
4- Sometimes, the problem is closer to home than we want to admit.
5- One's belly button is not the center of the universe but one should be looking at it objectively once in a while.
Good luck to your buddies.
Hi Cool82,cool_82 said:
Avant de crier à la discrimination, au racisme et au scandale et à chiâler contre le Québec, les québécois et le service public, vérifie donc tes informations: demande donc à tes petits copains roumains et colombiens qu'est-ce qu'ils ont été obligé de faire pour obtenir leur permis dans leur pays d'origine.
S'ils sont honnêtes avec toi, ils vont probablement te dire qu'ils ont été forcé d'"allonger" quelques billets $$$ sous la table à l'honnête fonctionnaire de service, si ce n'est pas autre chose, pour obtenir leur permis.
Ici au Québec et au Canada, désolé pour tes petits copains qui ont réussi à te faire brailler, ce n'est pas le tiers-monde et ça ne fonctionne pas comme ça. Les us et coutumes sont différents et il faut au moins savoir minimalement conduire pour obtenir son permis.
Ceci dit, je sais que la discrimination et la corruption existe ici, rien n'est pas parfait (.... même pas le Québec!
) mais il reste que la fonction publique québécois n'est pas celle d'un pays du tiers-monde où tout le monde peut se faire acheter.Bonne journée
Elvis
Racism
Okay guys, I have read a bunch of half cocked charges of racism in this thread, against Quebecers and American Southerners, and I am going to post only with respect to that narrow issue.
First and foremost, as a foreigner travelling to Montreal, I have seen no evidence of racism. I am a white guy, and normally my taste runs to white women, but one of my favorite SPs of all time happens to be a black lady. Last summer, I had a 2 hours date with her that turned into a 9 hours date, and the two of us walked around the downtown area of Montreal holding hands for several hours, shopping and then choosing a restaurant and then having dinner. It's the only time I have ever held hands with an SP in public in Montreal. As we walked down St. Catherine Street, I was curious as to the reaction of people seeing a white dude walking with this beautiful black woman and holding hands. And interestingly there was not really much of a reaction at all, and I looked into hundreds of faces. I have observed numerous interracial couples in Montreal, far more than what I have seen in the USA, although part of that is you are going to see that in a city.
Regarding the American South, I have travelled a lot down there and things have changed from what they once were. There are still some redneck areas, to be sure, and there are still some Indy SPs who say things on their website like "black professionals only" and other such things that you really don't see elsewhere. However, the American South has changed very much for the better in terms of race relations.
I think that we have seen racism charges levelled because posters have reached a certain level of frustration with their arguments not being heard. I don't think MatT and Techman are going to convince some others that their opinions are the correct way of looking at things, any more than metoo4 or Elvis will convince everyone that they are right. What you guys need to do is say your piece and move on. We all have different feelings about the language issues, but nobody is necessarily right or wrong so there is no reason to start making accusations of racism. I don't really think it is appropriate and it only shows me that certain posters are frustrated that others are not giving in to the posted opinion.
Okay guys, I have read a bunch of half cocked charges of racism in this thread, against Quebecers and American Southerners, and I am going to post only with respect to that narrow issue.
First and foremost, as a foreigner travelling to Montreal, I have seen no evidence of racism. I am a white guy, and normally my taste runs to white women, but one of my favorite SPs of all time happens to be a black lady. Last summer, I had a 2 hours date with her that turned into a 9 hours date, and the two of us walked around the downtown area of Montreal holding hands for several hours, shopping and then choosing a restaurant and then having dinner. It's the only time I have ever held hands with an SP in public in Montreal. As we walked down St. Catherine Street, I was curious as to the reaction of people seeing a white dude walking with this beautiful black woman and holding hands. And interestingly there was not really much of a reaction at all, and I looked into hundreds of faces. I have observed numerous interracial couples in Montreal, far more than what I have seen in the USA, although part of that is you are going to see that in a city.
Regarding the American South, I have travelled a lot down there and things have changed from what they once were. There are still some redneck areas, to be sure, and there are still some Indy SPs who say things on their website like "black professionals only" and other such things that you really don't see elsewhere. However, the American South has changed very much for the better in terms of race relations.
I think that we have seen racism charges levelled because posters have reached a certain level of frustration with their arguments not being heard. I don't think MatT and Techman are going to convince some others that their opinions are the correct way of looking at things, any more than metoo4 or Elvis will convince everyone that they are right. What you guys need to do is say your piece and move on. We all have different feelings about the language issues, but nobody is necessarily right or wrong so there is no reason to start making accusations of racism. I don't really think it is appropriate and it only shows me that certain posters are frustrated that others are not giving in to the posted opinion.
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EB,
As a foreigner, your input is greatly appreciated.
Each time someone discuss language and discrimination is this Province, it turns out sour....they are opening a Pandora's Box!!!!
Yes, there is indeed some kind of discrimination on this Province, but it's not the exception. Just travel across the Country or around the world!
Things have improved over the years and there is still a long road to travel, but lets keep cool heads over the matter!
The North American approach to languages is also improving...at last...unfortunatly, I speak two languages only....I would love to master 5 or 6 of them!!!
As a foreigner, your input is greatly appreciated.
Each time someone discuss language and discrimination is this Province, it turns out sour....they are opening a Pandora's Box!!!!
Yes, there is indeed some kind of discrimination on this Province, but it's not the exception. Just travel across the Country or around the world!
Things have improved over the years and there is still a long road to travel, but lets keep cool heads over the matter!
The North American approach to languages is also improving...at last...unfortunatly, I speak two languages only....I would love to master 5 or 6 of them!!!
First, here is a quick translation of the text that was mentioned by Elvis on a former post (Post 3, 06-10-2005)
ENGLISH IN PUBLIC COMMUNICATIONS
Richmond abides by the Laws
Guy Marchand
La Tribune
Richmond
Even if it disagrees, the municipal council of the city of Richmond will conform to the requests of the Office québécois de la langue française by ceasing to use English in whole their public communications.
A tradition going back to the founding of the municipality will thus come to an end during the following weeks, since the council members have no other choice than to assent to the Office requests. In this manner the city will be able to obtain its Charter of the French language certificate of registration.
This decision was not easy to make for the council members that were exposing themselves to judicial prosecutions from the Office québécois de la langue française.
"We don’t intend to challenge the law and above all we don’t want to be involved in a judicial fight. We don’t have the status of bilingual city (50 per cent of Anglophones) and for this reason we intend to comply with the Office de la langue française requests, and this, even though we are very disappointed to come to this decision, announced Mayor Marc-André Martel.
And Miko
Le retour du pendule = swinging back of the pendulum.
ENGLISH IN PUBLIC COMMUNICATIONS
Richmond abides by the Laws
Guy Marchand
La Tribune
Richmond
Even if it disagrees, the municipal council of the city of Richmond will conform to the requests of the Office québécois de la langue française by ceasing to use English in whole their public communications.
A tradition going back to the founding of the municipality will thus come to an end during the following weeks, since the council members have no other choice than to assent to the Office requests. In this manner the city will be able to obtain its Charter of the French language certificate of registration.
This decision was not easy to make for the council members that were exposing themselves to judicial prosecutions from the Office québécois de la langue française.
"We don’t intend to challenge the law and above all we don’t want to be involved in a judicial fight. We don’t have the status of bilingual city (50 per cent of Anglophones) and for this reason we intend to comply with the Office de la langue française requests, and this, even though we are very disappointed to come to this decision, announced Mayor Marc-André Martel.
And Miko
Le retour du pendule = swinging back of the pendulum.
One thing that really annoys me is the ability to make anonymous complaints to the OLF. This should be corrected as people should have the right to confront their accuser. I remember reading an article quite some time ago that the same dozen or so people were responsible for more that 80% of the complaints. Some people just have too much time on their hands.
As far as racism goes, it's an easy way for someone to avoid taking responsibility for their own behaviour. Yes, there are legitimate cases but it's really easy to blames ones shortcomings on color or language instead of taking a long hard look at the real reason that something happened.
The thing that bothers me the most is remembering that Montreal was once the financial capital of Canada and wondering where we would be today if instead of fighting against each other we had worked together to continue building this province. Maybe today companies would be competing to set up shop here instead of our gov't having to pay them to come here with billions of our taxpayer dollars. In a way we have succeeded in creating the ultimate freemarket economy, companies only come here if through subventions and tax breaks we make it free for them to do so. Sad isn't it?
As far as racism goes, it's an easy way for someone to avoid taking responsibility for their own behaviour. Yes, there are legitimate cases but it's really easy to blames ones shortcomings on color or language instead of taking a long hard look at the real reason that something happened.
The thing that bothers me the most is remembering that Montreal was once the financial capital of Canada and wondering where we would be today if instead of fighting against each other we had worked together to continue building this province. Maybe today companies would be competing to set up shop here instead of our gov't having to pay them to come here with billions of our taxpayer dollars. In a way we have succeeded in creating the ultimate freemarket economy, companies only come here if through subventions and tax breaks we make it free for them to do so. Sad isn't it?
Techman,
Very good point.
Fully agree with you!
The mid/late seventies were a killer to Montreal!
Not too hard to guess why though!!!!
Very good point.
Fully agree with you!
The mid/late seventies were a killer to Montreal!
Not too hard to guess why though!!!!
Please check out the OQLF website to get your facts straight: over 1300 people lodge a complaint with the Office last year. As for the accuser, well the Office is agency responsable for enforcing the Charter/Law, thus it is the accuser. The citizen just points it in the right direction.Techman said:...One thing that really annoys me is the ability to make anonymous complaints to the OLF. This should be corrected as people should have the right to confront their accuser. I remember reading an article quite some time ago that the same dozen or so people were responsible for more that 80% of the complaints. Some people just have too much time on their hands.
The thing that bothers me the most is remembering that Montreal was once the financial capital of Canada and wondering where we would be today if instead of fighting against each other we had worked together to continue building this province. Maybe today companies would be competing to set up shop here instead of our gov't having to pay them to come here with billions of our taxpayer dollars. In a way we have succeeded in creating the ultimate freemarket economy, companies only come here if through subventions and tax breaks we make it free for them to do so. Sad isn't it?
As for Montreal of the good o'le days: do you mean that the affirmation of the french fact is the cause of the so called decline. What does that say?
Le Capitaine!
CP
Hope you were around in the mid-seventies.....did you witness the climate at the time?
Language was not the only issue!
I still remember why my clients were moving to Toronto!!!!!
Hope you were around in the mid-seventies.....did you witness the climate at the time?
Language was not the only issue!
I still remember why my clients were moving to Toronto!!!!!
OLF Statistics
OLF(actually OQLF) statistics are available for app. the last seven years at:
www.oqlf.gouv.qc.ca
Scroll down the LHS to "recherche dans la site",left click,on recgerche page
type "plaintes" and bingo you have data.
For the period 2004-04-01 to 2005-03-31
you will see that there were 1331 plaintiffs as CaptainPicard asserts
but when you go to the next table complaints by region
you will see that 1331 plaintiffs generated 4014 complaints,
slightly over 3 per plaintiff.FurthermoreCOMBINED TABLES)
REGION / PLAINTIFFS / COMPLAINTS
00 / 15 / 61
01 / 12 / 17
02 / 25 / 29
03 / 108 / 465
04 / 29 / 60
05 / 24 / 42
06 / 496 / 1260
07 / 75 / 711
08 / 4 / 4
09 / 2 / 4
10 / 0 / 0
11 / 2 / 4
12 / 23 / 31
13 / 105 / 402
14 / 69 / 115
15 / 75 / 243
16 / 238 / 519
17 / 29 / 47
Basically plaintiff : complaints ratio by region ranges
from 1:1 to just over 1:9 .
Looks like some people have a different hobby.
PS:sorry cannot get tables to align.
OLF(actually OQLF) statistics are available for app. the last seven years at:
www.oqlf.gouv.qc.ca
Scroll down the LHS to "recherche dans la site",left click,on recgerche page
type "plaintes" and bingo you have data.
For the period 2004-04-01 to 2005-03-31
you will see that there were 1331 plaintiffs as CaptainPicard asserts
but when you go to the next table complaints by region
you will see that 1331 plaintiffs generated 4014 complaints,
slightly over 3 per plaintiff.Furthermore
COMBINED TABLES)REGION / PLAINTIFFS / COMPLAINTS
00 / 15 / 61
01 / 12 / 17
02 / 25 / 29
03 / 108 / 465
04 / 29 / 60
05 / 24 / 42
06 / 496 / 1260
07 / 75 / 711
08 / 4 / 4
09 / 2 / 4
10 / 0 / 0
11 / 2 / 4
12 / 23 / 31
13 / 105 / 402
14 / 69 / 115
15 / 75 / 243
16 / 238 / 519
17 / 29 / 47
Basically plaintiff : complaints ratio by region ranges
from 1:1 to just over 1:9 .
Looks like some people have a different hobby.
PS:sorry cannot get tables to align.
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So
The point I was making is that there is more than a dozen plaintiffs. The highest ratio is region 07=outaouais. Is it surprising that people there complain more than elsewhere per capita. The numbers only indicate that there is still a lot of violations to the Charter/law. Also, the number of plaintiffs and complaints have never been higher in the 7 past years.
Final thought: the Richmond affair that started this thread is not a matter of complaints, Municipalies are obliged to comply to the Charter/law.
Le Capitaine
So!eastender said:OLF(actually OQLF) statistics are available for app. the last seven years at:
www.oqlf.gouv.qc.ca
Scroll down the LHS to "recherche dans la site",left click,on recgerche page
type "plaintes" and bingo you have data.
For the period 2004-04-01 to 2005-03-31
you will see that there were 1331 plaintiffs as CaptainPicard asserts
but when you go to the next table complaints by region
you will see that 1331 plaintiffs generated 4014 complaints,
slightly over 3 per plaintiff.Furthermore
REGION / PLAINTIFFS / COMPLAINTS
00 / 15 / 61
01 / 12 / 17
02 / 25 / 29
03 / 108 / 465
04 / 29 / 60
05 / 24 / 42
06 / 496 / 1260
07 / 75 / 711
08 / 4 / 4
09 / 2 / 4
10 / 0 / 0
11 / 2 / 4
12 / 23 / 31
13 / 105 / 402
14 / 69 / 115
15 / 75 / 243
16 / 238 / 519
17 / 29 / 47
Basically plaintiff : complaints ratio by region ranges
from 1:1 to just over 1:9 .
Looks like some people have a different hobby.
PS:sorry cannot get tables to align.
The point I was making is that there is more than a dozen plaintiffs. The highest ratio is region 07=outaouais. Is it surprising that people there complain more than elsewhere per capita. The numbers only indicate that there is still a lot of violations to the Charter/law. Also, the number of plaintiffs and complaints have never been higher in the 7 past years.
Final thought: the Richmond affair that started this thread is not a matter of complaints, Municipalies are obliged to comply to the Charter/law.
Le Capitaine
Richmond
what this is a perfect example of is the pettiness of the OLF. Air conditioner labeling? Give me a break! Did you ever notice how they never go after the carmakers for english labeling? Even though most things are labeled with icons, what lettering there is tends to be in English. Especially on auto sound systems. They only go after people they can bully and the car makers would just tell them where to go. Actually even my dvd player and surround system at home are labeled in english only. I should be fined!
what this is a perfect example of is the pettiness of the OLF. Air conditioner labeling? Give me a break! Did you ever notice how they never go after the carmakers for english labeling? Even though most things are labeled with icons, what lettering there is tends to be in English. Especially on auto sound systems. They only go after people they can bully and the car makers would just tell them where to go. Actually even my dvd player and surround system at home are labeled in english only. I should be fined!
what about......
New Town.......isnt that an English name and they never had a problem.......that's right its owned by P'tit Jacques so it's OK.......What a city.....Montreal as much as I love all the beautiful women here......the opposite is so true for the politics............. HAVE A NICE DAY
New Town.......isnt that an English name and they never had a problem.......that's right its owned by P'tit Jacques so it's OK.......What a city.....Montreal as much as I love all the beautiful women here......the opposite is so true for the politics............. HAVE A NICE DAY
Techman: You get this AC stuff back on the carpet all over, again and again. Can you substentiate this affirmation or is it again just the imagination of a zealous anglo thinking he's persecuted. I doubt anybody would get fined/sued/harrassed about the labeling of an AC unit...
It's amasing how many business open with english names in Québec. Way too many... Is this respecting the majority? Nop! Will most french-speaking peoples boycott them? Nop!
OLF let these business ride most of the time, as long as they can respect the other parts of the law. That's called tolerance. That the way peoples in Québec are. If certain "english defenders" (like english needed to be defended, right...) would be as tolerant as OLF and french Québecois are, there would be no problems. Lucky for us, the majority of the peoples who speak english understand the situation and accept it.
Now, some zealous will say OLS don't have the balls to sue everybody. Some do say OLS only attack the ones who can't defend themself. That's not true! Large companies were forced to respect the law, including WallMart! But if OLF would sue everybody for everything they can, the same zealous would accuse them of harassment. We just can't win a discussion with peoples that are so stuck-up!
It's amasing how many business open with english names in Québec. Way too many... Is this respecting the majority? Nop! Will most french-speaking peoples boycott them? Nop!
OLF let these business ride most of the time, as long as they can respect the other parts of the law. That's called tolerance. That the way peoples in Québec are. If certain "english defenders" (like english needed to be defended, right...) would be as tolerant as OLF and french Québecois are, there would be no problems. Lucky for us, the majority of the peoples who speak english understand the situation and accept it.
Now, some zealous will say OLS don't have the balls to sue everybody. Some do say OLS only attack the ones who can't defend themself. That's not true! Large companies were forced to respect the law, including WallMart! But if OLF would sue everybody for everything they can, the same zealous would accuse them of harassment. We just can't win a discussion with peoples that are so stuck-up!
I thought canada did not practice these sort of things. Is this not a multi-cultural country that premits people to speak and be what they wish?
I have seen south african nations that impliment language laws and have language police.
I have seen south african nations that impliment language laws and have language police.
Que de couches d'ignorance se cachent derrière un si bel écran de beauté...Questions-girl said:
Tu devrais lire un peu sur l'histoire du Canada depuis la confédération: le Canada n'a à peu près pratiqué que cela. Le Manitoba, la N-Écosse, le N.-B., etc. ont tour à tour banni le français des écoles et des cours de justice. Ça, c'est la réalité.
Tu peux parler la langue que tu veux et dire ce que tu veux ici. Personne ne va t'en empêcher. Je trouve cela vraiment désolant que tu nous compares à une république de bananes d'Afrique du Sud. Je trouve juste cela normal que l'étiquetage des produits commerciaux se fasse en français au Québec. Ça ne brime que les vieux chiâleux.Questions-girl said:
Je suis désolé, mais la loi sur la langue était un mal nécessaire, en raison d'un groupe minoritaire intolérant, renfermé sur lui-même et insensible à la réalité quotidienne des gens d'ici. En fait, la loi 101 est maintenant utilisé comme modèle pour redresser la situation dans plusieurs pays (les républiques baltiques notamment) qui ont connu la colonisation linguistique.
Bonne journée
Elvis
