Oh, so university or college sugar babies, who register with their school email address, still have to pay to message?
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No. Sugar Babies with a free account do NOT pay to message, as I said in my prior post. Being in college does not get you a discount on something that is already free. They do have the option to buy an upgraded membership which puts their profile at the top of the page and gets them more profile hits/looks and, if they are attractive, more messages. There is no distinction between college and non college sugar babies or male and female sugar babies in the basic memberships. It does not go by sex or college status. However, in the profile they are required to indicate whether they are in college or not but that has nothing to do with the membership status or payment. Also, I do not believe the upgraded membership, which simply guarantees more hits, is discounted except by length of the membership. If you buy more time/longer membership, you get a discount. Same with SDs.
Since my last report about my experiences on Seeking, I have renewed my membership a few times for one month at a time. The first two times, I struck out completely and did not manage to make any new arrangements.
But I didn't mind that much, because I made a few trips to Montreal this year and I also had kept up two relationships that I had previously established. One was with the half-Filipina single mom that I met last winter and one was with a latina single mom escort that I have known for several years. My relationship with the latina had evolved into something like a sugar relationship, meaning that she spent extra time with me off the clock and we started doing some social things together. It was a great relationship though she wasn't always available to see me when I wanted to see her, because of her parenting responsibilities. Unfortunately, she recently gave up escorting and I haven't seen her lately. I tried to get together with the Filipina last week, but she cancelled on me at the last minute. I'll give her another chance but I decided to try Seeking for another month.
During my first several days of searching, messaging and exchanging photos, I failed to make much progress. I did set up one get-to-know-you meeting with a cute latina, but she cancelled on me at the last minute.
Then today I suddenly received a text from an attractive, young (25) blonde with whom I had exchanged a brief message (including my mobile number) yesterday. I was a bit surprised to hear from her because I just had a feeling that I didn't have much chance with her. I have had the best luck with the single moms in an age range of 28-34 and I like the women in that demographic.
But my text conversation with the blonde went amazingly well. She gave me access to her private photos and sent me an additional photo. In her texts, she seemed intelligent, flirty, self-confident and eager to do business without being too aggressive or demanding. Her looks and attitude would qualify her to be a successful indy girl in Montreal. When we got to the point of discussing a financial arrangement, she accepted my offer of paying for each encounter ($250) rather than asking for an allowance.
Considering all these factors, i suspect that she is more like a traditional escort than a traditional sugar baby. But I don't care. I only care about her looks, her attitude and service and the price. If she is good in all those parameters, who cares whether she uses Seeking to find clients rather than Eros or P411. It suits me just fine. I would rather find women like her on Seeking than on some of the awful escort ad sites (like skipthegames, etc.) that have sprung up since the downfall of TER and other more reliable sites. I also think that she likes Seeking because she gets to pick her own clients.
So we set up a first encounter at my home for a few days from now. I'm optimistic that it will go well, but I'll see if she matches my favorable impressions when we meet in the flesh.
As I've noted several times before, Seeking is not for everyone. It takes work, research, patience and a certain tolerance for and enjoyment of the hunting process. But in these difficult times of the Great American Sex Panic of the 21st Century, it can be worth the effort. I will report further after our first meeting.
It's DEFINITELY worth the effort! I met many women on seeking so far, sometimes it was great, sometimes less than great. But in the end, I can't complain. I still meet a few of the best ones every once in a while.
By the way, I know it's obvious, but I recently came across a woman it was very nice chatting with, chatty, friendly, etc. We started to get closer to reach an agreement and meet, when she asked me if I could send money up front...
My "Bullshit Detector" went off, it went haywire! LOL
Her: im kinda in a bind for the last of my rent due todayis there anyway u could help me out and I could make it up to u when we get together
Me: Sorry. but I can’t do that
Me: Once we meet and get to know each other for a while maybe, but not at this point
Her: im jsut excited for things with u and it would really help me out
Her: my sister was in a really bad accidetn and I had to support her al ot more than I could and it really set me back
Her: im short 198$
Me: I understand. But I can’t
Her: Oh
Me: Don’t take it personal, but I’ve been played like that before, and I promised myself I’ll never do that again
Her: I hate hearing that
Her: ive only had a good experience so hate hearing otherwise
Her: my mom died this summer so it honestly just sucks
I reported her, but just in case, her handle was "lizzzznewgal" and her phone number was in the 647 area code, ending with 7685
Be careful guys!
CA
CA, you've shattered my illusions about women. I used to think they never lied to or manipulated men. Now I know better! :doh:
I guess you had your illusions shattered a number of years ago. I remember that story.
Glad to see you stop by. Please share another sugar baby story with us. You are a man with a great depth of experience.
Good luck with this new young lady, Louie. Maybe this could be the beginning of a beautiful friendship.
I have had some good success with Secret Benefits.
Definitely takes more time than calling up an agency or booking an indy, but it's a different kind of fun.
My first experience was with a Latin American mom in her early thirties. From the pictures she shared I could tell that she was quite cute, with a devilish smile. We had originally planned to have coffee to check compatibility and discuss $. But we first chatted on the phone and we both felt super comfortable with each other, so we settled on $300 per meeting (that was what she had gotten from her previous SD) and made a date to meet at a hotel. We really hit it off, even though she was a little nervous at first. We talked about our previous relationships and she expressed that, after many years of faithful marriage, now was her chance to explore herself sexually. She has a good job, so I got the sense that the money was a nice perk but a little bit secondary. She was eager to please with a lot of eye contact and DT during BBBJ. After the first SOG, we ate some sushi, chatted a bit and then some more playtime, with quite a bit of Greek (she had told me that she liked it). It was awesome to have her telling me in Spanish how much she loved having my cock in her ass and begging me to keep giving it to her. We both came hard and were completely exhausted. I saw her a second time two months later and it was just a much fun. She got a steady SD in between time, but she definitely was excited to see me again. We have not seen each other since, mostly because of our schedules, but I'm sure that we will reconnect at some point.
My second experience was with a Caribbean girl, late-twenties. When I first asked her what her financial expectations were, she wrote "let's see what kind of game you bring". We met for coffee and she was super cute in her summer dress. We clicked and took a cab to a hotel. She wanted no money. And for over two hours we enjoyed each other's naked company. She was not on the pill, so her only request was that I not not come in the condom inside her. After many positions, during doggy (in front of a mirror) I withdrew and came all over her beautiful black butt cheeks. We never saw each other again though. She had a boyfriend who live out of town and she was just experimenting. She sent ma a nice message a few days later saying that she was "out of the game" and she removed her profile from the site.
I have a few other experiences that I will relate later...
Definitely takes more time than calling up an agency or booking an indy, but it's a different kind of fun.
My first experience was with a Latin American mom in her early thirties. From the pictures she shared I could tell that she was quite cute, with a devilish smile. We had originally planned to have coffee to check compatibility and discuss $. But we first chatted on the phone and we both felt super comfortable with each other, so we settled on $300 per meeting (that was what she had gotten from her previous SD) and made a date to meet at a hotel. We really hit it off, even though she was a little nervous at first. We talked about our previous relationships and she expressed that, after many years of faithful marriage, now was her chance to explore herself sexually. She has a good job, so I got the sense that the money was a nice perk but a little bit secondary. She was eager to please with a lot of eye contact and DT during BBBJ. After the first SOG, we ate some sushi, chatted a bit and then some more playtime, with quite a bit of Greek (she had told me that she liked it). It was awesome to have her telling me in Spanish how much she loved having my cock in her ass and begging me to keep giving it to her. We both came hard and were completely exhausted. I saw her a second time two months later and it was just a much fun. She got a steady SD in between time, but she definitely was excited to see me again. We have not seen each other since, mostly because of our schedules, but I'm sure that we will reconnect at some point.
My second experience was with a Caribbean girl, late-twenties. When I first asked her what her financial expectations were, she wrote "let's see what kind of game you bring". We met for coffee and she was super cute in her summer dress. We clicked and took a cab to a hotel. She wanted no money. And for over two hours we enjoyed each other's naked company. She was not on the pill, so her only request was that I not not come in the condom inside her. After many positions, during doggy (in front of a mirror) I withdrew and came all over her beautiful black butt cheeks. We never saw each other again though. She had a boyfriend who live out of town and she was just experimenting. She sent ma a nice message a few days later saying that she was "out of the game" and she removed her profile from the site.
I have a few other experiences that I will relate later...
Well, my initial optimism about the new girl (described below), proved to be unfounded. She texted me on the day of the scheduled first meeting and asked me to postpone. She gave a weak excuse and since then she has not followed up with me. Serves me right for being overly optimistic about her before having met her in person. I don't know what went wrong-maybe she decided my offer of $250 was too low.
But I did manage to schedule a last-minute meeting with the half-Filipina lady that I had already met a few times and that went well. Also, during the weekend I received an unexpected text from my Latina single mom escort friend, asking to renew our acquaintance. She is still in the game, but only seeing a small number of familiar clients. So I will see her again soon.
I have a few weeks left on my current one-month membership. I will keep seeking, but I may focus more on the demographic that I have had the most success with in previous experiences. Furthermore, I will insist on an initial get-to-know-you meeting with any prospective partners.
But I did manage to schedule a last-minute meeting with the half-Filipina lady that I had already met a few times and that went well. Also, during the weekend I received an unexpected text from my Latina single mom escort friend, asking to renew our acquaintance. She is still in the game, but only seeing a small number of familiar clients. So I will see her again soon.
I have a few weeks left on my current one-month membership. I will keep seeking, but I may focus more on the demographic that I have had the most success with in previous experiences. Furthermore, I will insist on an initial get-to-know-you meeting with any prospective partners.
CR,
None of these girls put all of their eggs in one basket. SA is a competitive market and a bid driven market, and you have to make your bid and expect to sometimes lose, either to another SD, an ex BF suddenly returning to the scene, a new BF material suddenly showing interest, or any of other innumerable potential personal dramas in her life over which you have absolutely no control. I have had the same happen to me multiple times- sometimes you get outbid and you just have to take it and move on.
I also had some girls agree to my terms, and then back out, and I suspect that either they had better offers or, perhaps, second thoughts/cold feet, which happens a lot with the ones newer to SA. I recall one in particular who had written and the last text I got from her was an enthusiastic "really looking forward to it", and then the day of the meeting I show up at a restaurant 30 minutes from where I live, in her area, get no text from her and never heard from her. Ate dinner alone, never heard from her again, have no idea what happened - an enthusiastic text, and then radio silence with no intervening communications. Girls in the 18-24 age group are frequently unreliable and have various dramas or perceived dramas in their lives, any of which can lead to an unsuspected, sudden breaking of the deal.
To play the game effectively you have to condition yourself to believe the opposite- not get hopes up on one girl and always have a backup plan. I have actually put out 3 or 4 offers thinking at most 1 will be accepted AND the girl will show, and usually I am right, it's 1 or 0.
None of these girls put all of their eggs in one basket. SA is a competitive market and a bid driven market, and you have to make your bid and expect to sometimes lose, either to another SD, an ex BF suddenly returning to the scene, a new BF material suddenly showing interest, or any of other innumerable potential personal dramas in her life over which you have absolutely no control. I have had the same happen to me multiple times- sometimes you get outbid and you just have to take it and move on.
I also had some girls agree to my terms, and then back out, and I suspect that either they had better offers or, perhaps, second thoughts/cold feet, which happens a lot with the ones newer to SA. I recall one in particular who had written and the last text I got from her was an enthusiastic "really looking forward to it", and then the day of the meeting I show up at a restaurant 30 minutes from where I live, in her area, get no text from her and never heard from her. Ate dinner alone, never heard from her again, have no idea what happened - an enthusiastic text, and then radio silence with no intervening communications. Girls in the 18-24 age group are frequently unreliable and have various dramas or perceived dramas in their lives, any of which can lead to an unsuspected, sudden breaking of the deal.
To play the game effectively you have to condition yourself to believe the opposite- not get hopes up on one girl and always have a backup plan. I have actually put out 3 or 4 offers thinking at most 1 will be accepted AND the girl will show, and usually I am right, it's 1 or 0.
Here is something else, I know a lot of you guys have racial restrictions and only look at a certain type of woman. I have no racial restrictions, and I generally believe that there are an equal number of attractive women by each race and nationality, and a beautiful woman is a beautiful woman. That being said, and I have mentioned this before, my success rate in getting dates with black, hispanic, and mixed racial women is dramatically higher than with white women of my own race. I do not believe it's because black or minority women find me more attractive. I think that socially they are less in demand due to racial prejudices of others, and their economic situations are more unfortunate than their Caucasian counterparts. So in the last 2 years, as a result, I have dated far more black women than ever before in my life, and all of them were terrific companions, with one exception, a 29 year old half black half Puerto Rican who was a sexual dynamo but an absolute nutcase and controlling freak whom I had to cut loose after a few intimate dates, and maybe 4 or 5 overall.
So I would encourage you guys to purge prejudicial notions from your hearts and open yourselves to interracial dating opportunities, because I have found some real gems out there and my sense is that these women were "under hunted" compared to what they should have been, and the result was that I gained from the oversights of others. I actually have at times felt it was way too easy to get dates with certain extremely hot, young black women. I was wondering where the competition was on them. And in most cases, reasonable offers were accepted and one even told me I did not need to give her money every time we were intimate. They all seemed interested in keeping me interested and in keeping it going, as opposed to becoming aggressively and increasingly money hungry and looking for tuition/rent etc. The half black half Puerto Rican one asked me to co-sign on a condo lease with her, to which I flatly told her no, and that was before we ever got intimate, which should have told me where things were headed with her. Sometimes red flags get ignored with hot women who make you horny, and she was a good example of that.
So I would encourage you guys to purge prejudicial notions from your hearts and open yourselves to interracial dating opportunities, because I have found some real gems out there and my sense is that these women were "under hunted" compared to what they should have been, and the result was that I gained from the oversights of others. I actually have at times felt it was way too easy to get dates with certain extremely hot, young black women. I was wondering where the competition was on them. And in most cases, reasonable offers were accepted and one even told me I did not need to give her money every time we were intimate. They all seemed interested in keeping me interested and in keeping it going, as opposed to becoming aggressively and increasingly money hungry and looking for tuition/rent etc. The half black half Puerto Rican one asked me to co-sign on a condo lease with her, to which I flatly told her no, and that was before we ever got intimate, which should have told me where things were headed with her. Sometimes red flags get ignored with hot women who make you horny, and she was a good example of that.
Found this on a Terb thread. 1 of 10 canadian college girl is suggar baby...!
https://curve.carleton.ca/system/fi...sugarbabiesandsugardaddiesanexplorationof.pdf
Impressed by the numbers.... No wonder small shops and restaurant are lacking part time worker... They are all fornicating with old daddy. Why work 20 hours in a week when you can get the same amount of money in 2h pretending to enjoy your "companion".
https://curve.carleton.ca/system/fi...sugarbabiesandsugardaddiesanexplorationof.pdf
Impressed by the numbers.... No wonder small shops and restaurant are lacking part time worker... They are all fornicating with old daddy. Why work 20 hours in a week when you can get the same amount of money in 2h pretending to enjoy your "companion".
I thought like many it seems on this thread that only escorts were pretending and SB were the real deal.
You had to go and ruin it.
I do find the stats beyond reason but can someone publish bullshit on such thesis for university?
To follow-up on my previous post, I do feel that I have been lucky with SB (even though it has required significantly greater amounts of time than agencies and indies).
In October, I saw a mid-twenties girl, very cute and fit, from Western Canada. We talked a couple of times on the phone and exchanged very flirtatious text messages and then had a really lovely two-week fling. She prefers seeing only one guy at a time, so the occasional pay per meeting doesn't really work for her... she is the only one with whom I had a weekly allowance type of situation. At $600 a week during a time period that I was more available than usual, we saw each other 2 times per week. Usually for dinner or drinks and then back to her place. She used to be a ballet dancer and had great flexibility. She also loved taking it deep. One time I was giving it to her from behind, standing up, and she then proceeded to bend all the way over with her head between her feet, holding her ankles while I held her hips tightly (I did not want her to fall!) and I alternated between slowly sliding in and out of her while enjoying an incredible view and pounding her mercilessly. My mind was blown. So much fun -- we both had a blast....
My worst experience was meeting a super cute and bright undergrad downtown for coffee. I cannot say that we really clicked, but there was definitely some potential chemistry. But we could not find a common ground on the financial aspect. She wanted payment for platonic meetings first, and then we would see if intimacy developed. While I see how that is a perfectly reasonable route for some couples and it might make the SB feel safer, it made me feel like I might be taken advantage of. I did not want to invest time and money on the possibility of something more down the line.
In October, I saw a mid-twenties girl, very cute and fit, from Western Canada. We talked a couple of times on the phone and exchanged very flirtatious text messages and then had a really lovely two-week fling. She prefers seeing only one guy at a time, so the occasional pay per meeting doesn't really work for her... she is the only one with whom I had a weekly allowance type of situation. At $600 a week during a time period that I was more available than usual, we saw each other 2 times per week. Usually for dinner or drinks and then back to her place. She used to be a ballet dancer and had great flexibility. She also loved taking it deep. One time I was giving it to her from behind, standing up, and she then proceeded to bend all the way over with her head between her feet, holding her ankles while I held her hips tightly (I did not want her to fall!) and I alternated between slowly sliding in and out of her while enjoying an incredible view and pounding her mercilessly. My mind was blown. So much fun -- we both had a blast....
My worst experience was meeting a super cute and bright undergrad downtown for coffee. I cannot say that we really clicked, but there was definitely some potential chemistry. But we could not find a common ground on the financial aspect. She wanted payment for platonic meetings first, and then we would see if intimacy developed. While I see how that is a perfectly reasonable route for some couples and it might make the SB feel safer, it made me feel like I might be taken advantage of. I did not want to invest time and money on the possibility of something more down the line.
I have had numerous arrangements that started exactly like that. Although I did not invest much in the platonic dates ($100/$150, usually) and intimacy was usually achieved after 2-5 dates. Here is what you need to learn about Sugar Baby 101- and it's exactly what you said: women want to feel safe and have a comfort level with their arrangement partner. And if you are not socially inept or aggressively ugly, the chances are very high you will be able to provide her with that sense of safety and comfort level. Most women worth having arrangements with, and especially women in the age 18-22 age group, want to have this comfort level before they go back to your place. With a lot of them, it's a personal security issue. One of the women I dated, for over 2 years, was a huge fan of the TV show Criminal Minds, and she was worried she would end up a victim. I needed 5 dates with her before she felt safe that I wasn't a serial killer and that she could trust me. It is what it is- many women on SA do not want to have a P4P arrangement from the git go, they want to "see where it goes", which is code for you need to make her feel safe and respected. It's not that hard to do, and if you can't do it, you suck. If you can, you will get P4P. It's that simple.
A lot of guys, and I am one, like the adventure aspect of it, of having to actually earn the sexual trust. Other guys want it quick and easy, or quick and cheap, or else they know they are social trainwrecks who cannot put a woman at ease after 1, 2 or 5 dates. Those guys can't play the SA game. They are not built for it. You gotta look in the mirror and know who you are and what game you are built for. I have played all the games. I like the SA game, but I always remember it is a game and I have no illusions about that. In the end I have treated SBs the same as I have treated escorts on dinner dates, and I have enjoyed my times equally with both. With the non pro girls, most of them anyway, there is a feeling of exclusivity even if they are seeing another SD. Somehow it feels more GFE to me. Maybe that isn't real or reality, but who fucking cares? It's all a game. Anyway, we have a lot of people who are incapable of playing the game for one or more of the reasons I have mentioned who are posting in this thread, and it's sort of like reading commentary about legal strategy from someone who is not an attorney, has never been inside a courtroom, or picked a jury, or argued a hard or losing case to a Judge or jury, or lost and won cases. SA is a game and it's a game that can be enjoyed if one is willing to understand, accept and execute some basic strategies. I truly believe that 90% of the guys who do that, and who do not have some social anxiety disorder or other social trainwrecking issue that gets out of control, and does not look like Jabba the Hutt, can pull it off.
Dasein, with all due respect, your post I quoted above is a classic losing mentality. Built in to your post is the negative statement that you are "being taken advantage of." No you are not being taken advantage of. You know the rules, and you play to win and to take advantage of the game, or not. You chose to not take advantage of the game, and you did not choose to not be taken advantage of. That is not what happened, my friend. It's not a possibility, it's a "probability" to someone who has clearly defined the rules of engagement and plays the game to win. These are attitudinal issues which determine whether you win the game. You make a statement like that around women, she will smell a loser. You have to have the mentality that you are in it for at least 3-5 dates if you like and want her, if not, game is not for you.
Eager Beaver, if I had more time, I would be willing to play the game in the way the undergrad wanted and that you seem to espouse or enjoy. But I don’t have that time, nor am I interested in doing it that way. Not sure why you qualify my mentality as “loser”... I think that I have had great success in doing things in a way that both me and the girl feel super comfortable, which paved the way to great sex, with the extra GfE illusion that you mentioned. I just don’t have time for a “courtship “. With the ballerina,, we met for drinks with no money exchanged and no guarantees. We hit it off, came to a financial agreement, and then went straight to her place for 3 or 4 hours of really fun intimacy.
To each his/her own
To each his/her own
I try and stay out of this thread but get drawn towards it. Some members claim you need to know how to play the game to get somewhere..... Now just my opinion but paying someone to be with you and claim it is dating is delusional. If they claim to have game and convince someone they are worthy should not have to pay someone...... With all that game find someone for free or max the cost of a dinner. If I want sex I see an escort, do not want to play games ( pay ) to purchase sex later. The games they play are to see how much money you have, nothing else.
^^^^^ I understand that but the same can be done with dating without the added expense, you may not get the girl out of your league but you probably will meet someone who is on the same level as you ( maturity ) and hopefully interests. With the majority of escorts I have met there is no common interests due to the age gap, I do not pretend to be 20.
Best scenario for me would be to meet someone and have dinner with them ( only for the cost of a dinner ) then call an agency for sex after. ( myself I prefer sex first and dinner after because who likes to fuck on a full stomach ).
To each their own but the sugar babies are checking to see if you can afford them ( my guess ). Some even fall in love with the paid for companions thinking the sweetie really may see them someday without payment.
Just giving my opinion.
Best scenario for me would be to meet someone and have dinner with them ( only for the cost of a dinner ) then call an agency for sex after. ( myself I prefer sex first and dinner after because who likes to fuck on a full stomach ).
To each their own but the sugar babies are checking to see if you can afford them ( my guess ). Some even fall in love with the paid for companions thinking the sweetie really may see them someday without payment.
Just giving my opinion.
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