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Question repeatedly asked in various places and concensus seems to be: it sucks but it's still the best option around...

From my personal experience, "prices" have gone up but there are still gems to be found.
(like the one who just met someone more age-appropriate and decided to gives this a chance, damn!)
 

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Question repeatedly asked in various places and concensus seems to be: it sucks but it's still the best option around...

From my personal experience, "prices" have gone up but there are still gems to be found.
(like the one who just met someone more age-appropriate and decided to gives this a chance, damn!)
Which site sucks ? Seeking or adultfriendfinder?
 

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I have been on Seeking for 9 years now and I feel like the quality of the SBs has declined since Covid pandemic. I am not sure why. Lots of women are posting profiles who aren't that attractive and some have been good at photographic fakery- photoshopping to make themselves look better than they are in reality. I have had a very high number of one and done dates the last 6 months. Be very careful with any ladies who don't post pics with clear body shots. I recently went on a date with a woman who posted one pic of herself in a very sleek loose fitting dress. She described her body type as "slim." The woman who showed was facially the woman in the pic, but the pic was either 5-6 years old or shame on me for agreeing to date a woman with one loosely fitting dress pic. She had a dumpy body- a layer of fat, like a beer belly noticeably folded over her pants line. Her face wasn't bad and she was a pleasant woman to talk to, but not attractive to me at all. SA can be frustrating if you aren't patient, willing to invest time and endure one and done dates where you know from the opening greeting you will never see her again. You also need to use the block function on your phone with women who pester you, bother you or even ask for money randomly. I agreed to a date with a woman around a month ago and before I even met her, she texted me and asked for lunch money. I protested that I had not even met her and all we had agreed to is a dinner date for $100 and not any advances. When she protested that she needed an advance, I blocked her. She almost sounded like a panhandler and my guess is she is a drug user and needed a fix bad. Any time I encounter someone who doesn't abide by agreed upon terms, they are automatically blocked.

All of the above being said, if you can sift through all the chaff, there are gems on there. Just have to deal with lots of swings and misses before you hit the home run. Just like baseball and it makes you appreciate a guy like Judge who strikes out 175 times but hits 62 homers. You have to decide if the HRs you hit are worth all of the strikeouts and back to the dugout. Remember the guys who are not as good as Judge hit 32 HRs and strike out 175 times.
 
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I have been on Seeking for 9 years now and I feel like the quality of the SBs has declined since Covid pandemic. I am not sure why. Lots of women are posting profiles who aren't that attractive and some have been good at photographic fakery- photoshopping to make themselves look better than they are in reality. I have had a very high number of one and done dates the last 6 months. Be very careful with any ladies who don't post pics with clear body shots. I recently went on a date with a woman who posted one pic of herself in a very sleek loose fitting dress. She described her body type as "slim." The woman who showed was facially the woman in the pic, but the pic was either 5-6 years old or shame on me for agreeing to date a woman with one loosely fitting dress pic. She had a dumpy body- a layer of fat, like a beer belly noticeably folded over her pants line. Her face wasn't bad and she was a pleasant woman to talk to, but not attractive to me at all. SA can be frustrating if you aren't patient, willing to invest time and endure one and done dates where you know from the opening greeting you will never see her again. You also need to use the block function on your phone with women who pester you, bother you or even ask for money randomly. I agreed to a date with a woman around a month ago and before I even met her, she texted me and asked for lunch money. I protested that I had not even met her and all we had agreed to is a dinner date for $100 and not any advances. When she protested that she needed an advance, I blocked her. She almost sounded like a panhandler and my guess is she is a drug user and needed a fix bad. Any time I encounter someone who doesn't abide by agreed upon terms, they are automatically blocked.

All of the above being said, if you can sift through all the chaff, there are gems on there. Just have to deal with lots of swings and misses before you hit the home run. Just like baseball and it makes you appreciate a guy like Judge who strikes out 175 times but hits 62 homers. You have to decide if the HRs you hit are worth all of the strikeouts and back to the dugout. Remember the guys who are not as good as Judge hit 32 HRs and strike out 175 times.
Onlyfans.

I didn't believe it at first when guys kept talking about OF killing the sex work and SB industry... but ... it's really true.

I met a 19 year old SP, my ATF at the moment. Her friends did SP work for about 2 weeks and decided to try OF. After a couple months, they make more on OF now than SP work... and they don't evne need to do any work. They just post some pictures and videos and they make the same as seeing 10 clients. My ATF could be easily making thousands a week doing OF, but she says she doesn't want pics/videos of her on OF. Unfortunately, most girls don't care these days. I guess she's a unicorn and I'm lucky she's still working.

I have another 22 year old SP I've been seeing. Extremely hot... her friend helped her start an OF. But since she doesn't allow her face to be in the pics, I don't think she gets many subscribers. But even without showing her face, she makes about as much $ doing OF than she does doing SP work.

They both used to be SBs, and decided to do SP for more money... but since OF is the other path many young SBs can go... they do OF instead. I don't even use OF or see SBs and I still hear so much about this from girls... so it must be a very common theme.

WE NEED TO KILL OnlyFans! They were on the verge of death years ago with all the puritan/tax/banking problems.... so close to being rid of them
 

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Actually the last lady that I had random one-off sex with on Seeking Arrangement (which was this past October) told me she had an OF account. She also told me she had around 30 subscribers but she also said she was thinking of raising her rates. She was a no repeat for me. She was moving to a different part of the State in December and the drive wasn't worth it.

Only Fans could be one factor in diminishing the quality on SA. Another is that in the 9 years since I have been on SA, other SB sites have developed and have likely taken some of the better SBs onto their sites. I tried Bumble and Tinder and Match and What's Your Price but I didn't like any of those sites.

SA peaked in my opinion from around 2015 to 2018. During those years, I met a lot of hot young women and had consistent sex at reasonable rates. I actually couldn't believe how good it was for a while. I had a good run with it and then things just really kind of declined. It used to be I would send out 7-10 messages whenever I logged in but now I really have to search for a long time to find 2 or 3 girls worth messaging, and usually they are like 45 minutes or an hour away. And it's halfhearted messaging. It sucks. It's not like it was.

I do have a regular I have seen on and off since 2018 but she is now 25 years old and although she still looks great, things have stagnated a bit and I want some new experiences.
 

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Actually the last lady that I had random one-off sex with on Seeking Arrangement (which was this past October) told me she had an OF account. She also told me she had around 30 subscribers but she also said she was thinking of raising her rates. She was a no repeat for me. She was moving to a different part of the State in December and the drive wasn't worth it.

Only Fans could be one factor in diminishing the quality on SA. Another is that in the 9 years since I have been on SA, other SB sites have developed and have likely taken some of the better SBs onto their sites. I tried Bumble and Tinder and Match and What's Your Price but I didn't like any of those sites.

SA peaked in my opinion from around 2015 to 2018. During those years, I met a lot of hot young women and had consistent sex at reasonable rates. I actually couldn't believe how good it was for a while. I had a good run with it and then things just really kind of declined. It used to be I would send out 7-10 messages whenever I logged in but now I really have to search for a long time to find 2 or 3 girls worth messaging, and usually they are like 45 minutes or an hour away. And it's halfhearted messaging. It sucks. It's not like it was.

I do have a regular I have seen on and off since 2018 but she is now 25 years old and although she still looks great, things have stagnated a bit and I want some new experiences.
At the end seeking is a escort service low balling because they have no Knowlege... not sex work is not taboo... so nobody gonna work for cheap... I do more online meeting than in person
 

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After seeing two 10/10 SPs that told me they used to do seeking and met with guys for 300 for 6 hours, I need to start using Seeking lol. They provided incredible service

Seems like too much work
 
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After seeing two 10/10 SPs that told me they used to do seeking and met with guys for 300 for 6 hours, I need to start using Seeking lol. They provided incredible service

Seems like too much work

If you could find a arrangement with SP at that price! Go for it !

I choose SB because i like to have a companionship! Multiple hours meeting. I can’t afford the SP for this type of arrangement!
 
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If you could find a arrangement with SP at that price! Go for it !

I choose SB because i like to have a companionship! Multiple hours meeting. I can’t afford the SP for this type of arrangement!
En effet, contrairement aux escortes la rencontre avec la SB n'est pas minutée. L'autre avantage est qu'il n'y a pas d'extras. Si la fille aime l'anal, elle va le faire sans avoir à débourser un sou de plus.
 

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If you could find a arrangement with SP at that price! Go for it !

I choose SB because i like to have a companionship! Multiple hours meeting. I can’t afford the SP for this type of arrangement!
I would love to! No way I am paying 6 hours SP

Unfortunately I am not fluent in French. Seems like all the hot country girls only speak French
 
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Unfortunately I am not fluent in French. Seems like all the hot country girls only speak French
The hot country girls that are on websites like seeking are not there to do 300 / 6 hours meetings, but more to find those that offer 700+ for a dinner date (no sex).

To find a 300 / no timer date deal, you have to look for new arrivals.
 
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I am on a streak of first date no shows on Seeking Arrangement. Had my 3rd straight total no show tonight- no text (until much later) no show.

I really didn't see this one coming. Hot looking black 27 year old, from her pics a great body, very shapely. Supposedly has a graduate degree. Pleasant albeit mysterious in DMs. Made reservations at a local very high end seafood restaurant for 6 pm. No show by 6:40 pm so at that point I ordered dinner. No texts or apologies while I ate. So I ate dinner, paid the bill, arrived home and at 7:53 pm got these texts:

Her:
"Oh no I’m so sorry.
i got hit with work:(
Omg I feel terrible"

Me:
"You left money on the table! Why didn't you text me to say you couldn't make it?

Not sure if I should give this one a second chance. I think she needs to send me some complimentary sexy pics to make amends. What do you guys think? Time wasting is not a venial sin. It's a mortal sin in the arrangement game!!!!!

Does she get a second chance or should I block her? Or ask for sexy pics as a way to make up for the total waste of 2 plus hours of my life?
 

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By the way I came across this public photo of a SB holding a gun....first time I ever seen it on SA, that I can remember. Is she going to shoot first and ask questions later?
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I am on a streak of first date no shows on Seeking Arrangement. Had my 3rd straight total no show tonight- no text (until much later) no show.

I really didn't see this one coming. Hot looking black 27 year old, from her pics a great body, very shapely. Supposedly has a graduate degree. Pleasant albeit mysterious in DMs. Made reservations at a local very high end seafood restaurant for 6 pm. No show by 6:40 pm so at that point I ordered dinner. No texts or apologies while I ate. So I ate dinner, paid the bill, arrived home and at 7:53 pm got these texts:

Her:
"Oh no I’m so sorry.
i got hit with work:(
Omg I feel terrible"

Me:
"You left money on the table! Why didn't you text me to say you couldn't make it?

Not sure if I should give this one a second chance. I think she needs to send me some complimentary sexy pics to make amends. What do you guys think? Time wasting is not a venial sin. It's a mortal sin in the arrangement game!!!!!

Does she get a second chance or should I block her? Or ask for sexy pics as a way to make up for the total waste of 2 plus hours of my life?
Years ago, I remembering seeing an article in a magazine providing suggestions on how to manipulate a man. I was surprised that one of the recommendations was to stand him up! Some young women told me that women try such tricks only with older men as younger men (who presumably regard themselves as equally attractive) never call again.

I cannot know what the situation is in your area, but in Montreal there is such a plethora of available SBs, that I don't ever even consider another meeting after a no show. Once you have confirmed that you are her toilet, you are guaranteed of more shit.

I've made the mistake of giving second chances after being stood up. Not once has it ended well.

Do you even know if she exists and is not a teenage boy pranking you? Did you see her live on an app?

If you absolutely must see her, insist that the next encounter be very close to your office or home and don't leave for the meeting until she texts you a picture of herself in front of the restaurant. Also, since she has a job and should be willing to invest for a possible repeated income and she owes you for billable hours, she pays for the first meal.
 
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I have regular clients that get special prices and arrangements. Because I like them and they respect my time/boundaries. They never asked those special prices. Be like them and you never know ;)
 

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My first date is always in a cafe or bar of a famous hotel!

If I find myself alone, I can order an espresso or a cognac and think about the meaning of life, its unexpected events, sometimes seeing women who evoke memories….
We agreed to meet at a very high end seafood restaurant in my area, which is essentially a standard on SA. In fact, I have had numerous other first dates on SA at that same restaurant- I can think of 5 from SA and one from Tinder- and none of them stood me up.
 

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Years ago, I remembering seeing an article in a magazine providing suggestions on how to manipulate a man. I was surprised that one of the recommendations was to stand him up! Some young women told me that women try such tricks only with older men as younger men (who presumably regard themselves as equally attractive) never call again.

I cannot know what the situation is in your area, but in Montreal there is such a plethora of available SBs, that I don't ever even consider another meeting after a no show. Once you have confirmed that you are her toilet, you are guaranteed of more shit.

I've made the mistake of giving second chances after being stood up. Not once has it ended well.

Do you even know if she exists and is not a teenage boy pranking you? Did you see her live on an app?

If you absolutely must see her, insist that the next encounter be very close to your office or home and don't leave for the meeting until she texts you a picture of herself in front of the restaurant. Also, since she has a job and should be willing to invest for a possible repeated income and she owes you for billable hours, she pays for the first meal.
AV- I appreciate your post and want to respond to some of your comments:

"Once you have confirmed that you are her toilet, you are guaranteed of more shit."

I agree, but in the past I approached these situations with a slightly different mindset. In one case, a girl begged me for a second chance. After thoroughly shaming her with how she had wasted a colossal amount of my time and also left money on the table, I suggested to her she would get a second date if she did something to make up for the no show. She asked what she could do, and I asked her for au gratis sexy pics. She actually sent them to me, and then got a second date, although ultimately I did not pursue further dates with her, for reasons having nothing to do with the second date and more because of another opportunity presented.

I have to be satisfied with the explanation and the contrition for there to be a second date. Lame excuses will not cut it. I believe that I posted that I was no showed by some girl up in Middletown after she agreed to meet me at a local high end Italian restaurant there, which I had been to on previous SA dates with other women who lived in that area. After she no showed, she sent me a stream of apologetic texts, and came up with some seemingly plausible excuse for her no show. I was impressed with her contrition and effort to get a second date. So I agreed to a second date, this time for breakfast (at her request!) at another upscale and well reviewed place in Middletown. She no showed AGAIN. No text, no nothing, a ton of time wasted driving there and back and eating breakfast alone. Then, around 6:00pm that day, fully 8 hours after we had agreed to meet for breakfast, she again sends me a stream of apologetic texts. But this time she comes up with some lame excuse having to do with her hair. I texted her back that after two no shows, it did not matter how hot or beautiful she was, because she was not reliable, had not texted me prior to either no show to say she could not make it, and that I just could not trust that she would appear. She politely accepted my admonishment, to her credit, and again apologized. I think I posted this story earlier in this thread and I reposted it here because your toilet analogy really fits with that one. She, from her pics, was a very attractive looking mid 20s black woman, but I really feel sorry for the actual men in her life because they are just just turds floating around in her toilet waiting to be flushed.

"I've made the mistake of giving second chances after being stood up. Not once has it ended well."

In my case, I am very reluctant to give second chances, and the 2 who who asked for and got second dates are noted above. My batting average was .500 in that very small sample size of 2. As indicated both expressed the necessary contrition with words, gave proper excuses after standup #1, and the first one gave me something in return (sexy pics). The one who stood me up last night, has not yet texted me back beyond the exchange I posted above in post #1,106. If she does and asks for a second chance, she can send me some sexy pics or videos to make up for the time-wasting, or a second date is not happening.

"Do you even know if she exists and is not a teenage boy pranking you? Did you see her live on an app?"

Very good questions to which I do not know the answer. We had a bit of dialogue on SA and did not exchange phone numbers, so our communications and booking was exclusively through the app. I was very straight and to the point with her because her pics were very nice and wanted to meet her. I asked her what food she liked and she said seafood, but she also said she did not like seafood and pasta dishes when I suggested she order the Shrimp Fra Diavolo with linguine at the restaurant we were to meet at, because it is the best I ever had. She said she liked her seafood with veggies. Beyond that, and beyond that she supposedly lives fairly close to where I do (next town over), I did not know much about her beyond what is in her SA profile.

It did occur to me that my offer got beat and she just forgot to get back to me. She came up with a "got caught up at work" excuse (see post 1,106) which sounded contrived. So I suspect I will never hear from her again.

"If you absolutely must see her, insist that the next encounter be very close to your office or home and don't leave for the meeting until she texts you a picture of herself in front of the restaurant. Also, since she has a job and should be willing to invest for a possible repeated income and she owes you for billable hours, she pays for the first meal."

The restaurant we agreed to meet at is only around a 12 minute drive from home, although from my office after work, it was even a shorter drive than that. So it was not as big a time waste as the two Middletown dates I mentioned above, which are quite a drive from where I live. However, in the unlikely event I hear from her, I am going to ask for sexy pics, or no second date. She is not getting off free on the no show. But on the other hand, sexy pics will not cost her anything. Just some of her time, like the time she took from me.
 
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