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Homicides by gun are higher in urban areas, but overall gun deaths are considerably higher in rural communities most of which are deaths by suicide. Gun safety in America should be everyone's concern. Common sense gun safety regulations would be a good place to begin to stop the carnage.
 

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Homicides by gun are higher in urban areas, but overall gun deaths are considerably higher in rural communities most of which are deaths by suicide. Gun safety in America should be everyone's concern. Common sense gun safety regulations would be a good place to begin to stop the carnage.
It's true that more Americans die by gun from suicide (54%) than by homicide (43%):


The number of suicides by gun (or any other method) is tragic and too high. But suicide, by whatever method, is a mental health problem and not primarily a gun problem.

This thread is about mass shootings--how many are there and who is committing them. The average person who is not suffering from an extreme mental health condition is much more concerned about becoming a victim of a homicide, whether individual or mass, and not so much about suicide.
 

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...there's a shitload more guns, gun violence, and an absence of common sense gun safety regulations.
Common sense gun safety regulations? Do you really think that more laws on "gun safety regulations" would have any impact on the epidemic of murder in the U.S., particularly among black criminals wielding illegal handguns?

What's needed is public safety in general, in other words, more and better cops, tougher laws and DAs, more prisons, longer sentences and an approach to law enforcement that is the exact opposite of the liberal "Defund the police," "No cash bail," "early parole" approach that has been implemented over the last decade.

Take a look at these 2021 statistics on homicide from the FBI.

America doesn't have a gun safety problem. America has a huge illegal handgun murder problem among blacks.


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Miami Beach used to be a peaceful oasis for old, middle-class retired people. Now, for some strange reason, it has become a primary destination for crowds of black, college-age kids, some of whom carry illegal guns. Unfortunately, the kids with guns know they are immune from being stopped and frisked for guns by the police and so they feel invulnerable. Thankfully one killer was caught.

The unfortunate results: two murders, one of which was an execution style killing on the street.





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The simple fact is that states with high percentages of blacks have high rates of violent crime. Crime rates will vary within those states depending on where black people live. Crime rates vary tremendously by local areas within a state and even within a city.

Some data on crime rates by U.S. city:

Poverty is a big reason for crimes, one can see how many places in South America has the most crimes in the world. Most of the times Blacks live more in poverty thus why there is a lot more crimes where there are more Blacks. Detroit is a perfect example with very high crimes but it is also the poorest city in the USA.
 
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Another school shooting/Nashville.......female shooter killed 3 children and 3 adults......horrible tragedy again......nonsense---nonsense---nonsense.....
 
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6 killed in Nashville Christian elementary school shooting... Developing... Female shooter...

Woman shooter? Trans? ohh the suspense.
This one gonna be swept under the rug?
She had TWO assault rifles and a handgun??
Really.

"Biden Press Secretary Karine Jean-Pierre blamed Republicans during a Monday press meeting, asking, “How many more children have to be murdered before Republicans in Congress…pass the Assault Weapons Ban?!”

What a coincidence on Trump's 2024 speech.
 

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There's not more mental illness in the United States, but there's a shitload more guns, gun violence, and an absence of common sense gun safety regulations.

Couple that with stand-your-ground laws in some states and it's a recipe for sheer insanity:


Even areas that impose a duty to retreat generally follow the "castle doctrine", under which people have no duty to retreat when they are attacked in their homes, or (in some places) in their vehicles or workplaces. The castle doctrine and "stand-your-ground" laws provide legal defenses to persons who have been charged with various use of force crimes against persons, such as murder, manslaughter, aggravated assault, and illegal discharge or brandishing of weapons, as well as attempts to commit such crimes.

In Florida, self-defense claims tripled in the years following enactment.[22][23] Opponents argue that Florida's law makes it potentially more difficult to prosecute cases against individuals who commit a crime and claim self-defense. Before passage of the law, Miami police chief John F. Timoney called the law unnecessary and dangerous in that "[w]hether it's trick-or-treaters or kids playing in the yard of someone who doesn't want them there or some drunk guy stumbling into the wrong house, you're encouraging people to possibly use deadly physical force where it shouldn't be used."
 

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6 killed in Nashville Christian elementary school shooting... Developing... Female shooter...

Woman shooter? Trans? ohh the suspense.
This one gonna be swept under the rug?
She had TWO assault rifles and a handgun??
Really.

"Biden Press Secretary Karine Jean-Pierre blamed Republicans during a Monday press meeting, asking, “How many more children have to be murdered before Republicans in Congress…pass the Assault Weapons Ban?!”

What a coincidence on Trump's 2024 speech.
The only thing being swept under the rug is Republican politicians' denial of the gun crisis and their obsequiousness to the gun lobby. The majority of Americans want common-sense gun safety regulations that include banning high capacity magazines and assault weapons.
 

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Couple that with stand-your-ground laws in some states and it's a recipe for sheer insanity:


Even areas that impose a duty to retreat generally follow the "castle doctrine", under which people have no duty to retreat when they are attacked in their homes, or (in some places) in their vehicles or workplaces. The castle doctrine and "stand-your-ground" laws provide legal defenses to persons who have been charged with various use of force crimes against persons, such as murder, manslaughter, aggravated assault, and illegal discharge or brandishing of weapons, as well as attempts to commit such crimes.

In Florida, self-defense claims tripled in the years following enactment.[22][23] Opponents argue that Florida's law makes it potentially more difficult to prosecute cases against individuals who commit a crime and claim self-defense. Before passage of the law, Miami police chief John F. Timoney called the law unnecessary and dangerous in that "[w]hether it's trick-or-treaters or kids playing in the yard of someone who doesn't want them there or some drunk guy stumbling into the wrong house, you're encouraging people to possibly use deadly physical force where it shouldn't be used."

Today's example...hopefully the teen survives

Traditionally, in order to claim self-defense, a person must show that the deadly force was necessary to prevent serious harm or death and that there was no way to safely retreat from the dangerous conflict. One long-standing exception in many places is the "castle doctrine" — the legal idea that there's no duty to retreat when you're in your own home.

Stand your ground laws expand that exception beyond the home to anywhere in public where a person is lawfully present.

In other words, in states with stand your ground statutes, a person may use deadly force in public when they fear for their safety, "even if it can be proven that you knew you had safe alternatives to force and violence by stepping away," said Ari Freilich, the state policy director for the Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence.
 
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There was a mass shooting in Hollywood, Florida (north of Miami) during the Memorial Day holiday weekend. Strangely, no contributors to this thread except me has noticed. I guess it "doesn't fit the narrative." :rolleyes:

Why? As I have shown in an earlier post: "All careful investigations find that a large majority of mass woundings involve black victims and black perpetrators."


HOLLYWOOD, Fla. - Police have made two arrests in a shooting that broke out during what investigators are calling an altercation between two groups near a South Florida beach boardwalk on Memorial Day. They continue to investigate who or how many actually fired shots and continue to search for possible suspects.

Shortly before 7 p.m. Monday, officers working the beach responded to the area of Johnson Street in Hollywood after hearing gunfire and found multiple people with gunshot wounds. The shooting left nine people hurt, including a 1-year-old.

In a news release, the Hollywood Police Department released photos of the three people of interest in hopes someone would recognize them and come forward. Police on Tuesday evening said they have arrested Morgan Deslouches and Keshawn Stewart, both 18, on firearms charges but not for any charges directly related to shots fired that injured any of the victims. Police continue to seek assistance in identifying persons of interest.

Investigators said the victims – four minors between the ages of 1 and 17 and five adults between the ages of 25 and 65 – were taken to local hospitals. Three have since been treated and released, while six others remain hospitalized, police said. The names of those wounded have not been released.

Multiple people were detained after the shooting, but police did not identify them as the shooters. As part of the investigation, officers recovered five handguns, two of which were stolen.

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Here's another mass shooting/killing offender who "doesn't fit the narrative." He seems to have been really upset about Biden's border policy that has allowed so much fentanyl into the USA. Biden has not commented on the crime and he is not likely to comment for obvious reasons.


A young Arizona man allegedly angry about his brother’s fentanyl addiction killed four people and wounded a fifth in a bloody shooting rampage over the weekend, cops said.

Iren Byers, 20, was arrested Sunday and “took responsibility” for being the sole gunman behind the shooting spree that began Friday afternoon in Phoenix and ended Saturday in nearby Mesa, authorities said.

Armed with a 9mm handgun, Byers claimed his victims didn’t deserve to live because three of them were fentanyl users, another was homeless and the other simply made him angry, according to his police confession.

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Carmine Falcone

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Here's another mass shooting/killing offender who "doesn't fit the narrative." He seems to have been really upset about Biden's border policy that has allowed so much fentanyl into the USA. Biden has not commented on the crime and he is not likely to comment for obvious reasons.




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To say a mass shooter doesn't "fit a narrative" is to imply that mass shooters are supposed to be cut from the same cloth of being white and male, and that their irrational motivations (their motivations are always irrational) are supposed to be the same.

While mass shooters have been nearly all male and more likely to be white, we've had several Black, a few Asian and even women shooters. One of the 2015 San Bernardino shooters was a woman. The 2014 Las Vegas shootings also involved a woman. The couple first killed two cops on their lunch break before fleeing to a Walmart. The guy that killed his neighbors in Cleveland, Texas earlier in May and the Uvalde shooter were Hispanic.

As for the shooters' motivations, they've ranged from ideological (racism, anti-Semitism, Islamic terrorism) to impulse (the Cleveland, TX shooter had been asked to stop shooting his rifle because a baby was sleeping) to inexplicable (Uvalde, Newton, 2017 Las Vegas shooting, Pulse Nightclub shooting and too many to list). The only thing in common is readily available and powerful weapons that can enforce whatever bullshit grievance the shooter of the day is nursing.

Lastly, there are people that insist (without much evidence) that the CIA helped to traffick drugs in minority communities.

Even with that conjecture acknowledged, the idea that a US president is actively allowing fentanyl to come into the country is so preposterous that I don't even know where to begin. Whatever happened to personal responsibility? It's not a case of the US government "allowing" fentanyl to come into the country. It's that there are plenty of Americans that want to use fentanyl. Four years ago, I befriended a guy I met at a concert who was fighting his fentanyl addiction. He didn't blame his problems on the government--because it's not the government that made him take drugs. Fentanyl is here because people want it.

Look at meth. The government's move of making OTC cold medicines with pseudoephedrine to be procured directly from a pharmacist with your driver's license cut down on domestic production of meth. But meth didn't go away. It just comes from Mexico now--because a certain percentage of the population are addicted to meth. But it's harder to do homework and think and far easier to blurt that Biden actively wants fentanyl in the US. This isn't to say the US shouldn't take steps to curb the entry of illegal drugs into the country, but none of those efforts would be necessary if the demand and the money to be made from selling drugs didn't exist.
 
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Also Captain, plenty of people noticed the Hollywood shooting. It was one of the few shootings where it actually made national news despite the lack of a death toll of any sort. But this nonsense violence happens so much and nothing is being done that people tune out and are numb to it all.
 

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Also Captain, plenty of people noticed the Hollywood shooting. It was one of the few shootings where it actually made national news despite the lack of a death toll of any sort. But this nonsense violence happens so much and nothing is being done that people tune out and are numb to it all.

Ron de Santis, the Trump clone, has put in place rules to facilitate possession of firearms.
 

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Ron de Santis, the Trump clone, has put in place rules to facilitate possession of firearms.
It's not just DeSantis. Several states like GA and TX have constitutional carry now. In the past, if you wanted to carry a gun on your person you went through an additional background check and paid a small amount to get a concealed weapons license. With constitutional carry, that is no longer necessary. If you can get a gun, that's all you need. Does this potentially put police more in harm's way? Of course, but the gunvangelists writing the laws don't care.

I'm aware that criminals carry guns regardless of how lax or strict gun laws are. But letting any non-criminal carry a gun has its own issues because many people lack the temperament required of responsible gun ownership. We've definitely had enough data to disprove the notion that "an armed society is a polite one" but for some people dogma beats observable reality every time.
 
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