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As Ann Coulter explained, leftists immediately change the subject when confronted with news that they don't like. On MERB, the new subject is always Trump, Trump, Trump. :rolleyes:
Nobody is changing the subject. Anyone who is concerned about the proliferation of guns in our society and in the obscene number of mass shootings in America (and that should be all if us but it isn't) cares about each and every one. It's unfortunate, and is a byproduct of the commonality of gun violence, that some gun violence events are more newsworthy than others. However, it's only those on the left who want to adopt common-sense gun safety measures to try to correct this madness.
 

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Nobody is changing the subject. Anyone who is concerned about the proliferation of guns in our society and in the obscene number of mass shootings in America (and that should be all if us but it isn't) cares about each and every one. It's unfortunate, and is a byproduct of the commonality of gun violence, that some gun violence events are more newsworthy than others. However, it's only those on the left who want to adopt common-sense gun safety measures to try to correct this madness.

Perhsps because those on the right count on the NRA to contribute to their election funds.
 
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some gun violence events are more newsworthy than others.
And Ann Coulter accurately pointed out which ones, in the eyes of leftists, are "more newsworthy." But others, like myself, have pointed out which ones are more common and of less interest to leftists, i.e., the ones where a "person of color" uses an illegal gun to kill or wound innocent bystanders during the commission of a crime or while attending a social event.
 
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And Ann Coulter accurately pointed out which ones, in the eyes of leftists, are "more newsworthy." But others, like myself, have pointed out which ones are more common and of less interest to leftists, i.e., the ones where a "person of color" uses an illegal gun to kill or wound innocent bystanders during the commission of a crime or while attending a social event.
We despise and condemn them all, but the mass slaughter of children and innocents in schools, churches, supermarkets, etc are the most shocking and most widely reported. It's not the race of the person pulling the trigger that matters - it's the deadly American combination of hate and easy access to weapons, especially weapons of war, that matters.
 

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Robert Bowers was convicted yesterday of killing 11 Jewish congregants at the Tree of Life synagogue in Pittsburgh in October, 2018. The penalty phase will determine if he will receive a life sentence or the death penalty.
 

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As I pointed out on the first page of this thread, the perpetrators of mass shootings are disproportionately young black males using illegal handguns. Now that "Juneteenth" has come and gone, we have even more evidence that this characterization of the typical mass shooter is true.

Maybe it wasn't such a great idea after all to make "Juneteenth" a federal holiday.



 

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As I pointed out on the first page of this thread, the perpetrators of mass shootings are disproportionately young black males using illegal handguns. Now that "Juneteenth" has come and gone, we have even more evidence that this characterization of the typical mass shooter is true.

Maybe it wasn't such a great idea after all to make "Juneteenth" a federal holiday.



The typical mass shooter is a white male. What does recognizing the end of slavery in America have to do with the daily event of mass shootings? It's the guns not the holiday.
 

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The typical mass shooter is a white male. What does recognizing the end of slavery in America have to do with the daily event of mass shootings? It's the guns not the holiday.
You will have to ask black people why they celebrate "Juneteenth" by shooting each other with illegal handguns. I agree that it's really stupid and self-destructive.

As for data on the "typical mass shooter" you will have to take up the argument with the NY Times, the favorite news source of the left.

This NYT article is based on a Times study of mass shootings. As with one-on-one gun violence, young black males with illegal handguns commit a wildly disproportionate share of mass shootings.


...The divide is racial as well. Among the cases examined by The Times were 39 domestic violence shootings, and they largely involved white attackers and victims. So did many of the high-profile massacres, including a wild shootout between Texas biker gangs that left nine people dead and 18 wounded.

Over all, though, nearly three-fourths of victims and suspected assailants whose race could be identified were black. Some experts suggest that helps explain why the drumbeat of dead and wounded does not inspire more outrage.

“Clearly, if it’s black-on-black, we don’t get the same attention because most people don’t identify with that. Most Americans are white,” said James Alan Fox, a professor of criminology at Northeastern University in Boston. “People think, ‘That’s not my world. That’s not going to happen to me.’ ”

Michael Nutter, a former Philadelphia mayor, who is black, said that society would not be so complacent if whites were dying from gun violence at the same rate as blacks...

...The Times compiled its list of 358 shootings with four or more casualties from largely crowd-sourced lists managed by the social media network Reddit and Gun Violence Archive, a nonprofit organization. The groups recently combined their efforts at the website gunviolencearchive.org.

Four or more casualties is a far broader measure than “mass shootings,” which are commonly defined as the killing of at least four people, not including the attacker. But it captures many victims who some criminologists say are too often ignored: people who might have died given a slightly different trajectory of a bullet, or less-sophisticated medical care.

Counting assailants among casualties increased the total number of cases by fewer than three dozen, most of them domestic violence shootings that ended in suicide. Hispanics were not separately identified, because police reports do not systematically identify victims and suspects by ethnicity, only by race.
 

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You will have to ask black people why they celebrate "Juneteenth" by shooting each other with illegal handguns. I agree that it's really stupid and self-destructive.

As for data on the "typical mass shooter" you will have to take up the argument with the NY Times, the favorite news source of the left.

This NYT article is based on a Times study of mass shootings. As with one-on-one gun violence, young black males with illegal handguns commit a wildly disproportionate share of mass shootings.


...The divide is racial as well. Among the cases examined by The Times were 39 domestic violence shootings, and they largely involved white attackers and victims. So did many of the high-profile massacres, including a wild shootout between Texas biker gangs that left nine people dead and 18 wounded.

Over all, though, nearly three-fourths of victims and suspected assailants whose race could be identified were black. Some experts suggest that helps explain why the drumbeat of dead and wounded does not inspire more outrage.

“Clearly, if it’s black-on-black, we don’t get the same attention because most people don’t identify with that. Most Americans are white,” said James Alan Fox, a professor of criminology at Northeastern University in Boston. “People think, ‘That’s not my world. That’s not going to happen to me.’ ”

Michael Nutter, a former Philadelphia mayor, who is black, said that society would not be so complacent if whites were dying from gun violence at the same rate as blacks...

...The Times compiled its list of 358 shootings with four or more casualties from largely crowd-sourced lists managed by the social media network Reddit and Gun Violence Archive, a nonprofit organization. The groups recently combined their efforts at the website gunviolencearchive.org.

Four or more casualties is a far broader measure than “mass shootings,” which are commonly defined as the killing of at least four people, not including the attacker. But it captures many victims who some criminologists say are too often ignored: people who might have died given a slightly different trajectory of a bullet, or less-sophisticated medical care.

Counting assailants among casualties increased the total number of cases by fewer than three dozen, most of them domestic violence shootings that ended in suicide. Hispanics were not separately identified, because police reports do not systematically identify victims and suspects by ethnicity, only by race.
Black citizens are not celebrating Juneteenth by shooting each other. However Americans, of all races, are engaging in mass shootings every day in this country. The common denominator is not the race of the shooter, but the easy availability of guns especially guns of war. Add to that poverty, racism, and hate and it's no surprise gun violence is way of life (or death) in this sick land.
 

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Friday night in Saginaw, Michigan there was yet another mass shooting-2 dead, 15 injured. Though there is no official information yet about the shooters and victims, the incident took place in a heavily black district of Saginaw (Johnson St. & 4th Ave.). So it almost certainly involves young black males with illegal guns shooting random fellow black people. It fits the pattern of typical mass shootings.

 

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Friday night in Saginaw, Michigan there was yet another mass shooting-2 dead, 15 injured. Though there is no official information yet about the shooters and victims, the incident took place in a heavily black district of Saginaw (Johnson St. & 4th Ave.). So it almost certainly involves young black males with illegal guns shooting random fellow black people. It fits the pattern of typical mass shootings.

We don't know the race of the shooter(s) or the legality of the weapon(s) used. All we know is it's another mass shooting in this violent country awash in guns.
 

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We don't know the race of the shooter(s) or the legality of the weapon(s) used. All we know is it's another mass shooting in this violent country awash in guns.
So maybe it was the Ku Klux Klan? Or rogue white police officers? Or the local chapter of the NRA? Perhaps the guns just went off by themselves!

On the other hand, a similar mass shooting occurred Saturday night in Kansas City and the circumstances bear an eerie similarity to what happened in Saginaw, i.e. a big outdoor party in a black neighborhood late at night on a weekend.


Do you think maybe the same type of people committed both crimes? (Hint: I mean young black males, some of whom surely had criminal records.) Do you really think they were using legally owned guns? I don't. Do you think "defund the police" and "Black Lives Matter" are helping or hurting the black people who live in these neighborhoods and who are most affected by the bad effects of such liberal pieties?
 

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White, Black, Republican, Democrat does it really matter and does it change anything.
Half the worlds handguns in private hands are in the US.
With the amount of firearms in private hands, the large population, poverty and the inherent love of firearms by US citizens this will not stop for this generation or probably even the next two
You will need a generation with a completely different mind set to even put a dent in this.
It would be political suicide for any government to ban firearms or even try major restrictions so they will live with sending hope and condolences and playing the blame game back and forth.
 

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Anderson Lee Aldrich, the 23 year old who carried out a deadly shooting rampage at Club Q in Colorado Springs, pleaded guilty yesterday to dozens of charges of murder and attempted murder.
 

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Anderson Lee Aldrich, the 23 year old who carried out a deadly shooting rampage at Club Q in Colorado Springs, pleaded guilty yesterday to dozens of charges of murder and attempted murder.

He is not a black man but a true white American.
 

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The Trace is a non-partisan research center about gun violence. It could be described as "anti-gun" and pro-gun-control.

Here is one of their articles from September, 2020:


...Our analysis of Gun Violence Archive data found a total of 395 mass shootings as of August 24, an almost 45 percent increase over the same period last year. If the pace holds, this year’s total will be the highest tally since the organization began tracking shootings seven years ago.

The mass shootings have disproportionately occurred in predominantly Black neighborhoods. Nearly 50 percent of the shootings analyzed by The Trace took place in majority-Black census tracts, though less than 10 percent of census tracts nationally have majority Black populations. The pattern held in almost every city that has had more than five mass shootings in 2020. In Chicago, for example, 31 out of 36 shootings with four or more victims happened in majority-Black census tracts. In Detroit and Milwaukee, each of which saw five mass shootings, all of them occurred in majority-Black neighborhoods.

Every act of violence shocks the conscience, but the public setting of many mass shootings renders them acutely horrifying. People pursuing an activity presumed safe – going to church or school or the store, putting in a workday, enjoying a night out – suddenly confront a barrage of bullets. The ensuing media coverage stirs public mourning and donations. Activists and Democratic politicians cry for reform. But when a gunman in a dispute kills or injures multiple bystanders in a predominantly Black or Latinx community, the bloodshed is written off by some journalists, politicians, and onlookers as predictable, endemic to the neighborhood and therefore not worthy of the same sympathy.


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A female comedian (whose name I wish I could remember) said the reason for efforts to make abortion illegal in the USA is that they are running out of kids to shoot.
 
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