Montreal scene: Is it me or the industry is really going down?

[MarathonMan]

I don't know what's happening these days but the industry is really going down. Most of the reliable agencies are struggling with their line up.

Examples are:

Eleganza: One of my favorite agencies...the line up is pretty close to 0. I've noticed that many girls left and the schedule is almost empty. John was famous for his recruiting hability....what's going on???

Montrealxxxtase: Martin is/was one of the best provider in town, but I called a few times this week and the schedule was miserable. Martin I know you went south for vacation but hey man, vacation is over!!! wake up, I miss your girls very much!

Montrealgirlsonfire: Even if I'm not really dealing with this agency I've noticed that the website is no longer updated and they're not posting anymore. Girls were on fire, now I think the house burned completly. No more updates on the website since couple days.

Many stars are becoming Indys: this is 'a la mode', most of the good SPs are trying to become indy. Results are very different from one girl to another but I think this is a real problem.

Turn over: I'm losing my religion with this!!! Oh my god, girls just can't stay in the same agency for more than 2 weeks.

Geisha, xxxcentrix, venus: I don't know what happened with them, the agency was almost stable and they have decided to change the all team.

The come and go agencies: Montrealhotgirls, bodylicious, asiangirls & many more!

Exceptions are : Montrealsexcity, satindreamz (good recruitment process really helps to have a very stable line-up) and Devilish ( I don't know how Chris does his recruitment but he's really impressive!).

What do you think? Is it me or do you have the same feeling?

 

[AllOverHer]

mtl Grand prix is coming and you'll have plenty of choices.

 

[korbel]

I don't know what's happening these days but the industry is really going down. Most of the reliable agencies are struggling with their line up.

Examples are:

Eleganza: One of my favorite agencies...the line up is pretty close to 0. I've noticed that many girls left and the schedule is almost empty. John was famous for his recruiting hability....what's going on???

Montrealxxxtase: Martin is/was one of the best provider in town, but I called a few times this week and the schedule was miserable. Martin I know you went south for vacation but hey man, vacation is over!!! wake up, I miss your girls very much!

Montrealgirlsonfire: Even if I'm not really dealing with this agency I've noticed that the website is no longer updated and they're not posting anymore. Girls were on fire, now I think the house burned completly. No more updates on the website since couple days.

Many stars are becoming Indys: this is 'a la mode', most of the good SPs are trying to become indy. Results are very different from one girl to another but I think this is a real problem.

Turn over: I'm losing my religion with this!!! Oh my god, girls just can't stay in the same agency for more than 2 weeks.

Geisha, xxxcentrix, venus: I don't know what happened with them, the agency was almost stable and they have decided to change the all team.

The come and go agencies: Montrealhotgirls, bodylicious, asiangirls & many more!

Exceptions are : Montrealsexcity, satindreamz (good recruitment process really helps to have a very stable line-up) and Devilish ( I don't know how Chris does his recruitment but he's really impressive!).

What do you think? Is it me or do you have the same feeling?

Hello Marathon Man,

I have to agree at least in part. I PMed Martin before my last trip in April and he seemed responsive. But after arriving I could only get assistants who knew nothing of my request. I have always liked Martin and I think he is a good man. But, he needs to be actively in control of things.

I have also liked John at Eleganza in the past as I have posted. But when I called there on the Monday before the trip, my choices were booked solid for the week already and there were few other choices at all. In sum, few options.

Devilish has been very reliable under the care of Mike. Keep this guy in control and things will be fine.

Jessie at Montreal Sex City seems to have things going very well. She is oragnized and responsibly takes care of business presonally.

As for Satin Dreams, I have found Peter very capable in the past, but I have not done business with them in a while...no particular reason except my preferences were elsewhere at the time.

Right now I would say MSC and Devilish, with Jessie and Mike respectively, are the best in the city within my experience. I still like XXXTASE but they need Martin back on the phone(s).

Cheers,

Korbel

 

[Rex Kramer]

I don't know what's happening these days but the industry is really going down. Most of the reliable agencies are struggling with their line up.

That sure seems to be the case with many agencies. A noteable exception is Devilish. One recent night I counted 22 on the lineup and if you can't find a girl you like there, you aren't going to find one in Montreal. Devilish has even started a day shift recently.

 

[Rex Kramer]

This is an old trick used by many of the top agencies you put your star on the schedule and it creates phone calls. They tell you she is all booked up(in fact she is not even working) but we have this new girl or so and so is working. It is good for business.

This is shocking, shocking and unbelieveable. The next thing you are going to tell me is that agencies do not advertise their real age and those 34C-22-34 105lb numbers are all fictitious?

 

[Rex Kramer]

You mean to tell me that the girl who has been listed as 20 yrs old for the last 4 years is not really 20

It is a bit early to do math on a Sunday morning but I will give it a stab. Let's see... 20+1+1+1+1... oh yes, I got it.... it is 20... ding...ding...ding...ding

 

[cpp433]

mgof

"Montrealgirlsonfire: Even if I'm not really dealing with this agency I've noticed that the website is no longer updated and they're not posting anymore. Girls were on fire, now I think the house burned completly. No more updates on the website since couple days."

they are back in service under the devilish flag.so we should be able to expect the great devilish service from that agency now too!

 

[anon_vlad]

Much as I would have liked to think that the specials advertised are due to the SPs being exceptionally horny this spring, the truth is that there is no money in Montreal.

The fall of the American dollar must have had an impact on sex tourism. Our local governments suck an incredible amount of money out of the system and have increased service fees.

SPs travel to more prosperous areas and potential clients to cheaper locales.

 

[Doc Holliday]

I wouldn't necessarily say that things are going down, i'd say that they've been changing for the past couple of years, as expected. It might appear more drastic today but this may be due to the fact that the Canadian & American dollars are now at par with one another. There isn't necessarily less girls working, the changes are more obvious since it's no longer cost-effective for the American traveller to come to Montreal for hobbying purposes. He's discovered cheaper & in some cases better options elsewhere.

I agree that some of the better agencies of the past appear to be having a hard time. But it's simply because some of their more popular girls have went to work elsewhere & also because the agencies' operators are busy doing other things & have left the controls of their respective ships in the hands of less experienced assistants. Some of the more popular & successful agency operators of the past have either totally left the business or simply taken a step back due to burn-out. Other agencies seem to have benefited from the hardships of other agencies. Just last night, Devlish had 13 girls working. The previous night, it was 18. This is unheard of!!

It's no big secret that my top 3 agencies over the years have been Eleganza, Devilish & XXXtase, in no particular order. At Eleganza, they are closed for a few days during the week & on most of the days they're open, they only have 2-3 girls working & the best ones are fully booked as soon as they start answering the phones. At Devilish, things are totally the opposite & they have a large roster of girls almost every night, including Sundays. For the past 3-4 times i've been to Mtl, i was able to see the girl(s) that i wanted to see with that agency & because of this, i have no reason to believe that some girls advertised aren't working. The girls i saw were popular girls & i was able to see them as their first client. As for XXXtase, things seem to have slowed down in recent months. Not as many girls listed at the same time & when i was in town the last time, there were some nights (including Saturday) where no one was answering the phone & the site hadn't been updated for days. Yes, it shows when Martin isn't around & the quality & customer service suffers. I used to find the same thing happening with Devlish when Chris wasn't around, but for the past few months when others were there, i can't complain. Things seem to be running smoothly one again.

I've been in the hobby for close to 8 years & one thing i've noticed is that things seem to change every 3 years or so. I believe that the local escort business is as strong as ever, but that changes have occurred & agencies will have to make adjustments in order to continue offering quality service & product to the consumer if they want to survive. Those who have made the adjustments to changes are presently leading the pack & many others are struggling to catch up to them.

Finally, some of the agencies i used to call regularly in the past appear to fade or simply maintaining status quo. These days, most of the women at Satin Dreams don't really interest me (nothing against them...it's simply that my tastes differ from others). At Asservissante, it's basically the same people working there & like Eleganza, only a couple of girls working when the agency's open. It seems to be closed more & more often it seems. If Martin wants to increase his business & attract hobbyists to his agency, he'll have to re-vamp his website & hire a professional photographer....and don't be shy to show the girls faces, by the way (with their approval of course)....it's the new trend, it seems. And if a girl does offer greek, then post this on the website. If she's gfe, indicate it. If she's ymmv, write it. It'd be more efficient than the b.s. stuff that's being written in each girl's profile. My advice is free, by the way....and you can do what you want with it.

Finally, independents. I agree with Daringly on this matter. If a girl goes independent and her rates are similar (or slightly higher) to her rates with her agency rates, no problem & i'll be the first one to call her if i saw her at the agency. But there have been too many girls going from $160 to $300 an hour over the past few years. Why should i want to play $300 to see someone that i used to see for $160? Many have two hour minimums now...why would i want to pay $450+ to see the same girl i used to see for $160? I don't buy this 2 hr deal as much as others are willing to ("but you're actually getting to see me for $225/hr when you're seeing me for 2 hrs...it's not that much of an increase."). I also don't see the same quality of indys being the same quality we used to have just a few years ago. There was a time that going the indy route was the way to go for the serious hobbyist. In many cases today, going the indy route for me would mean seeing sps that i wouldn't even want to see through agencies or my whole hobbying budget for a trip would be busted after just one encounter. And now, there's a new hdh agency starting up which sells memberships in the $1000+ range just to get to see the girls at ridiculous prices. Has the sun fallen on our heads or something? WTF??? What recession? No way things are going down!!! They're simply changing & not necessarily for the better.

 

[korbel]

Much as I would have liked to think that the specials advertised are due to the SPs being exceptionally horny this spring, the truth is that there is no money in Montreal.

The fall of the American dollar must have had an impact on sex tourism. Our local governments suck an incredible amount of money out of the system and have increased service fees.

SPs travel to more prosperous areas and potential clients to cheaper locales.

Hello Anon Vlad,

Hmmmmm, maybe it was a mistake for agencies to raise rates when the American dollar was tumbling thanks to that idiot Bush. Someone, a while back, postulated something about raising rates to make up for the loss in American business to maintain profits. Uh...wrong...it very poor strategy that encouraged Americans to go elsewhere like Costa Rica and gave them the chance to discover other cheaper outlets to sooth their libido. If not for some good friends I want to see in Montreal I would have gone elsewhere too. I realize the agencies were never going to lower rates anywhere near same pace as the delcine in value of the American dollar (almost 40%). But raising donation rates at the same time cut the real value of hobbying for the American client in Montreal by half. So the net effect was that the old $130-140 rate felt like $260-280 per hour by 2007. Did the agencies really think Americans would keep coming under those conditions. I reduced my own total hours from 38 in 2005 to 13 last year. And I am decreasing more. I had four meetings in April of 2007 at two hours each. This April it was two meetings for two hours each. So I have cut my encounter time in half again up to now.

Agencies: client rule number 1. Keep customer loyalty as much as possible. If the ladies won't work for less, then cut your take. Try to keep as many repeat customers as you can. If too many clients start to like things elsewhere, they won't come back to you. I really love Quebec women. But I have a real taste for Latin, Black, and Asian women, as I am sure many other Americans do. Geeeez, I hear such good things about new little meccas in Costa Rica, the Dominican Republic and other southerly places...without snow.

Cheerio,

Korbel

 

[korbel]

Finally, some of the agencies i used to call regularly in the past appear to fade or simply maintaining status quo. These days, most of the women at Satin Dreams don't really interest me (nothing against them...it's simply that my tastes differ from others). At Asservissante, it's basically the same people working there & like Eleganza, only a couple of girls working when the agency's open. It seems to be closed more & more often it seems. If Martin wants to increase his business & attract hobbyists to his agency, he'll have to re-vamp his website & hire a professional photographer....and don't be shy to show the girls faces, by the way (with their approval of course)....it's the new trend, it seems. And if a girl does offer greek, then post this on the website. If she's gfe, indicate it. If she's ymmv, write it. It'd be more efficient than the b.s. stuff that's being written in each girl's profile. My advice is free, by the way....and you can do what you want with it.

Hello Doc,

I spoke to one lady over a year ago from an agency that lists several ladies as doing greek. She said she really didn't like it and prefered not to do it. So why was she listed that way? Was it a marketing ploy? That's why I have gone to Martin at XXXTASE and Jessie at Montreal Sex City. I have gotten direct, honest answers and no BS. Now if only Martin would retake control of the phone.

Good luck,

Korbel

 

[MarathonMan]

Many thanks guys! I was right and the situation was not only mine.

 

[Doc Holliday]

Hmmmmm, maybe it was a mistake for agencies to raise rates when the American dollar was tumbling thanks to that idiot Bush.

Hmmmm, so what does that say about all the people who voted for this idiot? Not only once, but twice!!!

 

[sammylicious]

This is the reason i like seeing the top agency girls going indy. I would love to meet Emmanuelle from eleganza for a 4hr date my next time in town but i know that it is almost impossible to prebook her reliably and good luck seeing her if you wait until you get to town to call.

Now if she went indie and bumped her prices up to approx $200 per hour it would be fairly easy and reliable to set up a meeting with her.

i am myself now an indie at that rate since last week, here are the good things i have found about that situation.
1. no marketing bullshit about my service, availability etc.
2. a way better schedule since im booking...
3. the possibility to book meetings in advance..good for me and good for the hobbyist
4. not beeing exploited by some dip-shit really change the mood i have too and the encounter is really easier for me and you
5. the possibility for you to ask a specific things, outfits or approach
and many others things,
for a good sp its, imo a win-win situation

 

[sammylicious]

If this is indeed the one and only Samantha formly of xxxtase and devilish i wish you all the best as an indie. You have a reputation for giving great service, combine that with a great attitude and you will do well.

yes i am and thank you very much.
i hope the fact of beeing indie will be apparent on my attitude and service.

sam

 

[KostaJimacis]

There are 4-5 girls that are constantly doing very well, cleaning $5k a week, $100-some dollars at the time, the rest are starving.

 

[HughMaineATM]

Doc is right when he observes the business is changing. There have always been multiple dimensions to the biz -- street life, massage, clubs, but incalls and outcalls have traditionally marketed along 2 lines -- primarily word of mouth or primarily print advertising (JDM, Yellow Pages). The agencies that rate highly on MERB and similar boards are principally the word of mouth outfits -- because MERB and its like are sophisticated word of mouth networks. How many reviews of women from Scent of a Woman that advertises every day in t he JDM and Gazette have you seen recently?

MERB members hardly bother. There are other markets out there -- MERB represents a very small percentage of hobbyists in Montreal, but ones that have significant market clout in terms of the amount of $$$ spent. If you don't believe the diversity of the market, book into one of the Blvd Tascherau motels and watch the cars come and go for and afternoon / evening. Most are not MERBites!

One important way the business is changing is through a third way -- the 123 Announce and Craig's List appraoch. Sure, some of the agencies are salting this, but independents can exploit that network to really increase visibility and market share fast or for the short term -- think about the meteoric rise of Athana as an example of this phenonmenon. These new media will continue to reshape the market by reducing the role and profits of the agency owner / booker or pimp as more women dabble to make a little money without the middleman. Has advantages and disadvantages for consumers and producers, but its here to stay. Just some food for thought from an infrequently contributing hobbyist.

 

[hankypanky]

I don't think it has anything to do with the Montreal scene or any specific scene, but a general reflection overall. Just the other day I saw on the news that since 1985 there has been about a 50% dropoff in the number of stripclubs in Toronto. Is it money? Morals? New generation not into this stuff? Recession? Could be a variety of factors.

 

[eastender]

Internet

I don't think it has anything to do with the Montreal scene or any specific scene, but a general reflection overall. Just the other day I saw on the news that since 1985 there has been about a 50% dropoff in the number of stripclubs in Toronto. Is it money? Morals? New generation not into this stuff? Recession? Could be a variety of factors.

Internet has had an impact.

 

[KostaJimacis]

The motels on st-jacques are packed from wednesday to friday but you hardly see any of the girls from internet agencies going in and out. I couldn't get a room last wednesday, finally found one. But after while sitting at the patio of PJ's with friends, we hardly saw any of the usual agency girls being picked up or dropped off.